evilmoo Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 25 minutes ago, leech said: Yup it was that simple. Thank you for the tip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbaeza Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 (edited) On 12/14/2019 at 7:42 PM, devwebcl said: Yes, that's right. We are going to dump it again. Hi After 6 months wait, here's the redump for "The Casebook of Hemlock Soames #3". This was done using a SIO2PC cable and APE, a 1050 with an 800XL, and the MyCopyr sector copier. This time care was taken to select the proper format on the destination disk image: single-sided, single-density, 720 sectors. Side B of the original disk is empty/unformatted. Kind regards, Luis. PS: This lockdown is somehow turning into something productive from the A8 point of view ? Hemlock_Soames_Pt3_Side_A_06062020.atr Edited June 7, 2020 by lbaeza Typo 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
www.atarimania.com Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 Thanks Luis, I was just thinking about this one the other day! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Allan Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 On 8/30/2016 at 8:09 AM, MrFish said: For sure the v1.1 Editor on the "General Utilities & Video Editor" ATR on the Wiki is not functioning correctly. The Editor functions fine on the Clay/Farb ATR/ATX. I've emailed you some details and other information/questions. I have here what I think is the whole set of ValForth. I copied all the original disks (not copy-protected) with no errors. I am scanning all the manuals (both in original color and in black & white 'text' mode for readability and will post them on Archive.org. The color scans are huge. Some of them are over a gig at 300 DPI/no compression. That's why I did the black & white ones. Easier to read and much smaller. Hopefully in the next couple of days I will have them all uploaded. @luckybuck 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DjayBee Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Allan said: The color scans are huge. Some of them are over a gig at 300 DPI/no compression. TIFF gets very big, but you should at least use LZW compression which is lossless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 3 hours ago, Allan said: I have here what I think is the whole set of ValForth. I copied all the original disks (not copy-protected) with no errors. I am scanning all the manuals (both in original color and in black & white 'text' mode for readability and will post them on Archive.org. The color scans are huge. Some of them are over a gig at 300 DPI/no compression. That's why I did the black & white ones. Easier to read and much smaller. Hopefully in the next couple of days I will have them all uploaded. Sounds great. I look forward to checking everything out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clay Cowgill Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 I gave my full valFORTH manual scan to Kevin several years ago, but I don't actually know if what he put up on Archive.org incorporated my stuff or just his. For the sake of completeness, I just uploaded the stuff I sent to Kevin to Archive.org: https://archive.org/details/val-forth-reference-cards-full-size.pdf https://archive.org/details/val-forth-manual-set-1.1-with-intro-high-quality_202006 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Allan Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 I just scanned the whole and was in the middle of uploading it myself. It's huge. like over 400 pages. Parts of the scans up on archive now are missing a section of it. ValForth was sold in modules. 1.ValForth 2.ValDOS 3.ValForth Player Missile graphics. 4.Valgraphics & Turtle graphics 5.Text Compressor 6.Display Formatter I am uploading each module manual as separet documents. I will also upload the disks. ValForth_ValDOS_1_Valpar.atr ValForth_ValDOS_2_Valpar.atr ValForth_Turtle_and_Valgraphics_Valpar.atr ValForth_Text_Compression_Valpar.atr ValForth_Player_Missile_Graphics_Valpar.atr ValForth_Display_Formatter_Valpar.atr ValForth_General_Utilities_and_Video_Editor_Valpar.atr ValForth_1_1_Valpar.atr 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckybuck Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 Thank you soooo much Allan, that is of really great help! ? We appreciate very much. Thanks even to MrFish about: 'For sure the v1.1 Editor on the "General Utilities & Video Editor" ATR on the Wiki is not functioning correctly. ' didn't knew that, because, I have never worked with FORTH. Thanks to Clay Cowgill, too. Great help! Have spoken with GBXL, he is right, the PNG format is better than TIF: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Network_Graphics Therefore, I did follow his hints and changed to that very format. Which is the standard screenshot format for macOS, too. ? Yes, TIF get real big. The 2 manuals for the Atari Accountant did take ~32 GB of data size... On the other hand, the results are great and the size, even in color, is quite good. But that took a bunch of work. To my mind for ground braking manuals or vip manuals in edu, this should therefore be done. So, then just the floating point package for figFORTH is missing and we have the complete Forth language for the A8? Language C, dito, will upload the last missing atr soon. Thank you all so much for your help and contribution. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 On 6/13/2020 at 10:47 AM, Allan said: Easier to read and much smaller. Wow, they chose a strange format, with blue text on bright yellow paper. I had no idea; but it's cool to see the originals, as that's part of Valpar's intended experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 (edited) 19 hours ago, Allan said: ValForth_ValDOS_1_Valpar.atr 90.02 kB · 9 downloads ValForth_ValDOS_2_Valpar.atr 90.02 kB · 9 downloads ValForth_Turtle_and_Valgraphics_Valpar.atr 90.02 kB · 9 downloads ValForth_Text_Compression_Valpar.atr 90.02 kB · 9 downloads ValForth_Player_Missile_Graphics_Valpar.atr 90.02 kB · 10 downloads ValForth_Display_Formatter_Valpar.atr 90.02 kB · 10 downloads ValForth_General_Utilities_and_Video_Editor_Valpar.atr 90.02 kB · 10 downloads ValForth_1_1_Valpar.atr 90.02 kB · 9 downloads Have all these disks been tested for functionality? Edited June 14, 2020 by MrFish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Allan Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 Some have been archived and compared with other copies of original disks and verified. The other have not been tested but were copied from original disks with no errors/issues. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 49 minutes ago, Allan said: Some have been archived and compared with other copies of original disks and verified. The other have not been tested but were copied from original disks with no errors/issues. Alright, I just wanted to get some idea where things were before I started testing them myself. I'll assume everything's fine, unless I find out otherwise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CharlieChaplin Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 12 hours ago, luckybuck said: Have spoken with GBXL, he is right, the PNG format is better than TIF: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Network_Graphics ? Hmm, Wikipedia says .PNG is officially pronounced Ping ?!? Doesn't make sense to me - POrtable Network Graphics = Pong, not only for us Atarians... ;-) Or you pronounce it pi-en-gi.. ;-) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leech Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 33 minutes ago, CharlieChaplin said: Hmm, Wikipedia says .PNG is officially pronounced Ping ?!? Doesn't make sense to me - POrtable Network Graphics = Pong, not only for us Atarians... Or you pronounce it pi-en-gi.. I think we should pronounce it porng. PORtable Network Graphics. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddtmw Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 Just as long as everyone pronounces .gif as jif. Otherwise, you are dead to me. ? There is no argument that can beat the alliteration of jif and jpeg. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leech Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 1 hour ago, toddtmw said: Just as long as everyone pronounces .gif as jif. Otherwise, you are dead to me. ? There is no argument that can beat the alliteration of jif and jpeg. Ha, yeah I have said Jiff for years, author of it says it is like the peanut butter.. but you still get the soft G people... another one that I swear seems regional is nagios. Which officially is a soft G, but I hear too many in California pronounce it like nah-jee-oh-s. Greanted I would call GEOS for the c64 with a jee-oh-s sound as well. Is anyone (but me) putting these in categories? I have so far gone through the zip and moved out the game images I could find, but since some are non-english, I am not aware of what they are without loading them all up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Nope. sorry. the G in GIF is for Graphics. So the G in GIF should sound like Graphics. LOGIC! -Thom 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddtmw Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 34 minutes ago, tschak909 said: Nope. sorry. the G in GIF is for Graphics. So the G in GIF should sound like Graphics. LOGIC! -Thom WRONJ! 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clay Cowgill Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 On 6/14/2020 at 6:15 PM, leech said: Ha, yeah I have said Jiff for years, author of it says it is like the peanut butter.. ...and the creators of the SCSI standard thought people would pronounce it as 'sexy'-- and we know how that worked out. I like Chris Hardwick's take on it: The right way to pronounce GIF. ;-) 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Particle Man Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Hello -- very inactive user here. I saw someone post on youtube asking for the Electronic Arts version of Ali Baba (and presumably its flip side Return of Heracles) to be ripped? It was an old post, so I don't know if this is still needed. I have an SIO2PC cable, I can try to rip my disks if any are needed? Can someone clue me in if there's a list of what software is still desired / needed to be imaged? I'll give a quick list of the genuine disks I own: Ali Baba & The 40 Thieves / Return of Heracles flippy (ECA) Archon (ECA) Astro-Grover (Hi Tech Expressions) Ballblazer (EPYX) Atari / C64 flippy Bill Budge Pinball Construction Set (ECA) Bruce Lee (Datasoft Cat. No. 1220) Fantastic Four (Green Valley Publishing / ShareData) Flight Simulator II (subLOGIC) Flight Simulator II Scenery Disk (subLOGIC) Jeepers Creepers (Quality Software) M.U.L.E. Demo Copy (ECA) Masters Of Time "CAD-331" Mercenary (Datasoft Cat. No. 1525) Atari / C64 flippy Mercenary The Second City (Datasoft Cat. No. 1526) Montezuma's Revenge (BCI Software #9590) C64 / Atari flippy Silicon Dreams (Firebird) Speed King (Mastertronic) Atari / C64 same-side Summer Games (EPYX) Superman (Main Street Publishing) Atari / C64 flippy Temple of Apshai Trilogy (EPYX) Trailblazer (Mindscape) Atari / C64 flippy Ultima 4 (Origin) If any are rare and/or need rips let me know? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddtmw Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 8 hours ago, Particle Man said: Hello -- very inactive user here. I saw someone post on youtube asking for the Electronic Arts version of Ali Baba (and presumably its flip side Return of Heracles) to be ripped? It was an old post, so I don't know if this is still needed. I have an SIO2PC cable, I can try to rip my disks if any are needed? Can someone clue me in if there's a list of what software is still desired / needed to be imaged? I'll give a quick list of the genuine disks I own: Ali Baba & The 40 Thieves / Return of Heracles flippy (ECA) Archon (ECA) Astro-Grover (Hi Tech Expressions) Ballblazer (EPYX) Atari / C64 flippy Bill Budge Pinball Construction Set (ECA) Bruce Lee (Datasoft Cat. No. 1220) Fantastic Four (Green Valley Publishing / ShareData) Flight Simulator II (subLOGIC) Flight Simulator II Scenery Disk (subLOGIC) Jeepers Creepers (Quality Software) M.U.L.E. Demo Copy (ECA) Masters Of Time "CAD-331" Mercenary (Datasoft Cat. No. 1525) Atari / C64 flippy Mercenary The Second City (Datasoft Cat. No. 1526) Montezuma's Revenge (BCI Software #9590) C64 / Atari flippy Silicon Dreams (Firebird) Speed King (Mastertronic) Atari / C64 same-side Summer Games (EPYX) Superman (Main Street Publishing) Atari / C64 flippy Temple of Apshai Trilogy (EPYX) Trailblazer (Mindscape) Atari / C64 flippy Ultima 4 (Origin) If any are rare and/or need rips let me know? Hello, @Particle Man Welcome to the forums. The first thing I would recommend is that you do not put any of these disks in a drive and use them. We have seen disks that seem to read fine for testing, but when we try to read them for archival purposes, they do not work. There is a board called the Kryoflux that we use to preserve software with the copy protection intact. What you will find is that if the disk is copy protected and you use an sio2pc cable, it will not be able to read it completely. Kryoflux (along with a PC floppy drive) allows us to read the disk and created an .atx file that will boot in emulators and in some drive emulators on real hardware and work even though the disk was copy protected. It is the best way to preserve the disk contents. If you do not have one and do not want to purchase one, many board members have them and have volunteered to dump disks that are sent to them. In order to be considered "preserved", we generally like to see 2 .atx dumps from different sources that are the same. @farb maintains a database at www.a8preservation.com showing the status of various titles. Looking at that database: Ali Baba, it looks like we have dumps, but they have not been verified. Return of Heracles is Preserved. Archon is preserved Astro-Grover (Hi Tech Expressions) - Preserved Ballblazer (EPYX) Atari / C64 flippy - Preserved Bill Budge Pinball Construction Set (ECA) - Not verified Bruce Lee (Datasoft Cat. No. 1220) - Preserved Fantastic Four (Green Valley Publishing / ShareData) Side A preserved Side 2 not verified Flight Simulator II (subLOGIC) - Preserved Flight Simulator II Scenery Disk (subLOGIC) (Is this Scenery Disk 1? If so, it is not preserved) Jeepers Creepers (Quality Software) - No Dump M.U.L.E. Demo Copy (ECA) - Doesn't look like they have the demo Masters Of Time "CAD-331" - Not verified Mercenary (Datasoft Cat. No. 1525) Atari / C64 flippy - Escape from targ is preserved Mercenary The Second City (Datasoft Cat. No. 1526) - No Dump Montezuma's Revenge (BCI Software #9590) C64 / Atari flippy - No dump Silicon Dreams (Firebird) - Preserved Speed King (Mastertronic) Atari / C64 same-side - Not verified Summer Games (EPYX) Preserved Superman (Main Street Publishing) Atari / C64 flippy - Not verified Temple of Apshai Trilogy (EPYX) - Preserved Trailblazer (Mindscape) Atari / C64 flippy - Preserved Ultima 4 (Origin) - Preserved 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Welcome to the forums Particle man and what a wonderful way to start on here, offering titles for preservation, a totally incredible cause. Well done that man.. Paul.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ijor Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 9 hours ago, Particle Man said: M.U.L.E. Demo Copy (ECA) If this is an original demo and not just a copy of the original disk, then it is extremely rare. I never heard about a demo of MULE. Can you post a picture of the disk please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) @Particle Man, It's been what 2-6 years years and I'm so glad your back into action, please by all means either pick up a Super Card Pro, or KryoFlux... if you can't or don't wish to, please consider having someone do so for you. You can then have back ups and we can also verify and note differences for your disks. This is invaluable to the effort, so exciting! Edited June 30, 2020 by _The Doctor__ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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