leech Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, Mclaneinc said: I don't knowingly have them, searches didn't find any matches and tried various terms... Or don't admittedly have them? 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/82/#findComment-4588446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 2 hours ago, leech said: I haven't seen these preserved anywhere. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Adults-Disks-Atari-400-800-XL-XE-Home-Computer-Games-Photos-C-T-ComputerActive/114295567134?hash=item1a9c8bf31e:g:CAgAAOSwpXxe~iN7 Won't someone think of the vintage pervs? Ha, thought about doing it myself, but I'm still not trusting my 1050s... Damn - I didn't pay for porn back when I had my original setup, I can't imagine paying for it now 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/82/#findComment-4588447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
F#READY Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 2 hours ago, leech said: I haven't seen these preserved anywhere. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Adults-Disks-Atari-400-800-XL-XE-Home-Computer-Games-Photos-C-T-ComputerActive/114295567134?hash=item1a9c8bf31e:g:CAgAAOSwpXxe~iN7 Won't someone think of the vintage pervs? Ha, thought about doing it myself, but I'm still not trusting my 1050s... Wouldn't put those dirty disks in my 1050 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/82/#findComment-4588451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
www.atarimania.com Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 Most of the titles are just scattered in various PD collections, sometimes under different names. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/82/#findComment-4588455 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Robot Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 C and T ComputerActive.zip Here's a bunch of C&T Computeractive disks, there is some overlap with the disks for sale but not all of them by far. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/82/#findComment-4588490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leech Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Mr Robot said: C and T ComputerActive.zip 7.76 MB · 3 downloads Here's a bunch of C&T Computeractive disks, there is some overlap with the disks for sale but not all of them by far. Yeah, I count 21 still misssing. Quote 113 121 125 126 127 184 702 705 706 707 712 715 716 717 718 719 720 721 722 723 724 One of which is Adult Pinball! Who doesn't want to play that??? Edited July 18, 2020 by leech 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/82/#findComment-4588502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Robot Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, leech said: Who doesn't want to play that??? Who's willing to pay $100 to play that? I have a few adult pinball tables mixed in with all the other PD PCS tables. I think you can find most if not all of them at atarimania. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/82/#findComment-4588507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leech Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Mr Robot said: Who's willing to pay $100 to play that? I have a few adult pinball tables mixed in with all the other PD PCS tables. I think you can find most if not all of them at atarimania. Ha, to be fair, I've spent more money on worse things in my life... you know, like Exes. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/82/#findComment-4588508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Robot Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 Haven't we all Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/82/#findComment-4588509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Kline Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 (edited) Here is the collection from Allan, according to how I filed it here in my archive, so it's either available via Archive.org, or he had shared it here on AA, but I added it to my archives here in late May of this year. Credit goes to @Allan for his perseverance in getting all of this software up on Archive.org! --Tim C&T ComputerActive (Allan).zip Found a link for you at Archive.org: C & T ComputerActive Edited July 18, 2020 by Timothy Kline Added external link to Archive.org Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/82/#findComment-4588512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leech Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, Timothy Kline said: Here is the collection from Allan, according to how I filed it here in my archive, so it's either available via Archive.org, or he had shared it here on AA, but I added it to my archives here in late May of this year. Credit goes to @Allan for his perseverance in getting all of this software up on Archive.org! --Tim C&T ComputerActive (Allan).zip 2.68 MB · 3 downloads That was the other place I'd found them (Archive.org) but it looked like it was missing all of the ones listed on eBay. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/82/#findComment-4588515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 Good lord, the wanting of poor quality PrOn is shocking... ProNHuB boys..Remember, avoid calluses at all costs... 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/82/#findComment-4588582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leech Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 18 minutes ago, Mclaneinc said: Good lord, the wanting of poor quality PrOn is shocking... ProNHuB boys..Remember, avoid calluses at all costs... Ha, there is plenty of 24bit color pr0n online. This is all about preserving pixel 'art'. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/82/#findComment-4588588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 (edited) Just remember, hairy palms and short sightedness are a problem to people of our age. "Honey, you have hairs on your palms and you are not peeing straight, have you gone back to THOSE sort of practices again! sigh" Edited July 19, 2020 by Mclaneinc 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/82/#findComment-4588856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shannon Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 I just noticed that the "Mr. Do (Datasoft)" version in the latest archive? CRC "57ACB209" will cause a crash in emulators within a few seconds of starting a new game. In Altirra this can be remedied by turning off Acceleration D : Patch I/O. However I also have discovered that the version available on Atari Mania CRC "CADB7C54" does not have this issue and will not cause a crash with the acceleration on. Anybody interested in looking at the two dumps to determine the difference between them? 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/82/#findComment-4622702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farb Posted September 2, 2020 Author Share Posted September 2, 2020 (edited) I'll assume you meant CRC "5ca7b209" as the preservation ATX. The difference between it and Atarimania's is the starting sector for each track and variations in sector positioning as we would expect from ATX files made from different dumps. The sector data, sector interleave and protection sectors are identical between the two (our criteria for considering two dumps identical). With D : acceleration turned on, the protection check appears to fail on both but it manifests itself in different ways as you have noticed. On our dump, the Altirra A8 machine crashes. On the Atarimania dump, the monsters stop moving and garbage appears at the bottom of the screen. I don't know what behavior a protection failure would manifest on a real Atari. I suspect the differences in sector position could be causing different behavior in Altirra but I have no way of knowing this for sure. Overall, it is not recommended to use D : acceleration when using protected ATX files since many protection checks rely on accurate drive timing. You will find many other examples such as this. I always leave it off and use F1 to accelerate loading if I need to which won't cause protection failures. Edited September 2, 2020 by Farb Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/82/#findComment-4622796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
www.atarimania.com Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 (edited) Waiting for specialists to jump in but it was found out both dumps actually matched. Ours is very old (2005!) so it may have to do with the way it was imaged back in the day and didn't catch all the subtleties of the protection. If that is the case, we should probably replace it with the newer .atx file to avoid having older versions just floating around and causing confusion. Edit: Oops... Farb beat me by a few minutes! Edited September 2, 2020 by www.atarimania.com Farb was faster! Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/82/#findComment-4622798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcamp48 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 I have a new collection of Atari 8 Bit users group disks primarily from a New York Atari users group that my friend purchased over 30 years ago and she just found , my question is who do I send them to? I no longer have anything that will read Atari software. Russ Campbell 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/82/#findComment-4622837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 3 hours ago, rcamp48 said: I have a new collection of Atari 8 Bit users group disks primarily from a New York Atari users group that my friend purchased over 30 years ago and she just found , my question is who do I send them to? I no longer have anything that will read Atari software. Russ Campbell I can dump them if you can't find anyone closer to you - not sure if shipping to USA would be cost effective (I'll pay shipping). I don't have a kryoflux type device, just regular drives but that shouldn't be an issue for these. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/82/#findComment-4622913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shannon Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Farb said: I'll assume you meant CRC "5ca7b209" as the preservation ATX. The difference between it and Atarimania's is the starting sector for each track and variations in sector positioning as we would expect from ATX files made from different dumps. The sector data, sector interleave and protection sectors are identical between the two (our criteria for considering two dumps identical). With D : acceleration turned on, the protection check appears to fail on both but it manifests itself in different ways as you have noticed. On our dump, the Altirra A8 machine crashes. On the Atarimania dump, the monsters stop moving and garbage appears at the bottom of the screen. I don't know what behavior a protection failure would manifest on a real Atari. I suspect the differences in sector position could be causing different behavior in Altirra but I have no way of knowing this for sure. Overall, it is not recommended to use D : acceleration when using protected ATX files since many protection checks rely on accurate drive timing. You will find many other examples such as this. I always leave it off and use F1 to accelerate loading if I need to which won't cause protection failures. Weird... I was able to play the one available on Atarimania ( In Atari800 ) for several levels with no weird issues. As for Altirra.. it actually has drive D : acceleration code that can handle most ATX protection formats. I've only occasionally had to turn it off. Edited September 2, 2020 by Shannon Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/82/#findComment-4622943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcamp48 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Stephen said: I can dump them if you can't find anyone closer to you - not sure if shipping to USA would be cost effective (I'll pay shipping). I don't have a kryoflux type device, just regular drives but that shouldn't be an issue for these. Sure I can send them to you , I am in Canada so no problem. Russ. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/82/#findComment-4622979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ijor Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 15 hours ago, Shannon said: I just noticed that the "Mr. Do (Datasoft)" version in the latest archive? CRC "57ACB209" will cause a crash in emulators within a few seconds of starting a new game. In Altirra this can be remedied by turning off Acceleration D : Patch I/O. However I also have discovered that the version available on Atari Mania CRC "CADB7C54" does not have this issue and will not cause a crash with the acceleration on. Anybody interested in looking at the two dumps to determine the difference between them? Copy protected images usually require emulation as accurately as possible. Any kind of disk acceleration patch would disrupt the timing severely and emulation would then be far from being accurate. The results are unpredictable. Some protected titles might still work, others will not. Many titles have multiple versions, sometimes with completely different protection, and it is perfectly possible that one would run with acceleration enabled and other would not. Determining exactly why one run with acceleration and the other not, would require some work and debugging that usually is not very interesting and might even change depending on the emulator version. These protected images are supposed to run with maximum accuracy. Thanks for letting us now anyway. 4 hours ago, Shannon said: As for Altirra.. it actually has drive D : acceleration code that can handle most ATX protection formats. I've only occasionally had to turn it off. It's perfectly fine if you like to try first with acceleration enabled. As long as you understand that some might not work like that, that's ok. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/82/#findComment-4623144 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shannon Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 Thanks for the info. Like you said putting an emulator in fast forward does the trick just as well. Also creating a save state for after a game is completely loaded works out rather nicely. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/82/#findComment-4623184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 5 hours ago, rcamp48 said: Sure I can send them to you , I am in Canada so no problem. Russ. OK - I'll PM you my details. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/82/#findComment-4623240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shannon Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 While I'm thinking about it. I noticed something interesting about some of the EA disk protection. In particular I'm thinking of the game M.U.L.E. But I'm sure other EA games are affected by this as well. In the Atari800 emulator I set the computer to Atari 800 so that the game would have access to all "four" of the joysticks. As you all know typically 48k is the highest the A800 would go. Well strangely enough the game would stop with the message "remove custom OS". So after looking into it I found that the protection checks $C000 for omnimon I believe? Anyways while tinkering around I found out that setting the memory to 52k in Atari800 would remedy the situation. Also the game is unaffected when in Atari 800XL mode ( but no four ports sadly ). So out of curiosity I tried it on Altirra under the same config ( A800 48k ) and the game loads fine. After some reading it appears to have something to do with the Atari 800 having a floating bus or something like this? So I guess the floating bus is not emulated in the Atari800. Altirra has it as an "option" in the menu but it must duplicate some of the behavior of the bus with that option unchecked. I'm just curious about peoples thoughts on this. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/82/#findComment-4626123 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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