Atari 8-bit Software Preservation Initiative

[+SoulBuster]

On 1/13/2022 at 3:14 PM, BillC said:

Even if you get a GW V4 you will need a modified 5.25" drive to dump sideB of any flippy disks, or modify the disks with a second index hole, modified drives are over $100 + shipping. If doing the latter the database can help determine which titles have a sideB.

 

 

You can also clip off the top of the disk outer plastic and turn the media over in the sleeve.  I tried adding another index hole, it is harder that it seems, so I went with turning the media over.

[StickJock]

30 minutes ago, SoulBuster said:

You can also clip off the top of the disk outer plastic and turn the media over in the sleeve.  I tried adding another index hole, it is harder that it seems, so I went with turning the media over.

Now that is clever!

[_The Doctor__]

I just use a hole puncher

[+DjayBee]

2 hours ago, _The Doctor__ said:

I just use a hole puncher

It's not about the write protect notch but the index hole which is needed by the flux dumping devices.

[_The Doctor__]

6 minutes ago, DjayBee said:

It's not about the write protect notch but the index hole which is needed by the flux dumping devices.

Yes, I use a hole puncher

same thing different location(s)

Edited January 15, 2022 by _The Doctor__

[+DjayBee]

With the disk still in its sleeve?

How?

[_The Doctor__]

3 minutes ago, DjayBee said:

With the disk still in its sleeve?

How?

yes in the sleeve...You lift the jacket near the center hub and do the top and then the bottom leaving the media intact... I used a piece of thick paper to protect it at one time until I got better at it.  You are just making your own flippy disk. In fact there are punching kits to do so...or rather there were...

Edited January 15, 2022 by _The Doctor__

[+remowilliams]

I use a hole puncher for making new index holes as well.  The puncher has a protective tape on the jaw side that enters the disk sleeve to protect it.

 

An empty disk jacket is used as a template to mark the location for the punches.

[ijor]

On 1/13/2022 at 6:14 PM, BillC said:

Here is a link to all the SSI titles in the a8preservation.com database, following the links will allow you to determine the status of each title.  The only time additional dumps aren't helpful is if the particular version is already listed as "Preserved".

 

Please note that most SSI titles have multiple variations with different copy protections. So even if a specific title is preserved and verified, additional dumps could still be valuable if they happen to be a different variation.

[ijor]

16 hours ago, _The Doctor__ said:

yes in the sleeve...You lift the jacket near the center hub and do the top and then the bottom leaving the media intact... I used a piece of thick paper to protect it at one time until I got better at it.  You are just making your own flippy disk. In fact there are punching kits to do so...or rather there were...

 

I do remember adds for such punchers. I think somebody mentioned they were probably targeted at Apple users? It would be nice to get a picture. Somebody got to have one. May be, at least, a picture of the add?

[leech]

2 hours ago, ijor said:

 

I do remember adds for such punchers. I think somebody mentioned they were probably targeted at Apple users? It would be nice to get a picture. Somebody got to have one. May be, at least, a picture of the add?

Are you guys talking about these?

https://www.webcommand.net/index.php/2019/07/31/does-anyone-remember-the-floppy-disk-punch-notcher/

[_The Doctor__]

Nah that's just the write protect notcher for 5.25 and a 3.5 inch HD notcher, but your close... I may still have the actual flippy maker, but it was easier to use a regular puncher once you have the nack. Literally a puncher with guides and templates/media physical media protection, looked slightly odd.

Flip-It was made by D/Punch Co. in Newton Highlands, Mass. It is a kit that includes two punches and the necessary guide frame as well as protectors to permit you to punch up your single-sided disks accurately and easily without any noticeable damage.

 

Edited January 16, 2022 by _The Doctor__

[leech]

9 minutes ago, _The Doctor__ said:

Nah that's just the write protect notcher a 3.5 inch HD notcher, but your close... I may still have the actual flippy maker, but it was easier to use a regular puncher once you have the nack. Literally a puncher with guides and templates/media physical media protection, looked slightly odd.

3.5" disks didn't need to be notched. 

There is this for thise with 3d printers.

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2945065

 

[_The Doctor__]

This write protect notcher is not the same, It will only work as a flippy in non index hole drives... the Xf551 can't format without index hole and neither can a number of Atari double sided double density drives.

 

if the post is unclear I fixed the 'and a' part...

 

again we are talking about making a flippy floppy disk. Your link showed two punchers one for 5.25 write protect, and one for 3.5 high density... these are not true flippy floppy disk makers.

 

It needs 3 holes punch to do the job, the write protect nocth, and the one punch on the top of the disk jack for the index hole and one on the bottom near the hub for the index hole again... 3 holes total because you can't punch through the media...

 

to preserve the flip side without a modified drive you need the index hole... the write protect notch doesn't come into play.

Edited January 16, 2022 by _The Doctor__

[leech]

4 hours ago, _The Doctor__ said:

This write protect notcher is not the same, It will only work as a flippy in non index hole drives... the Xf551 can't format without index hole and neither can a number of Atari double sided double density drives.

 

if the post is unclear I fixed the 'and a' part...

 

again we are talking about making a flippy floppy disk. Your link showed two punchers one for 5.25 write protect, and one for 3.5 high density... these are not true flippy floppy disk makers.

 

It needs 3 holes punch to do the job, the write protect nocth, and the one punch on the top of the disk jack for the index hole and one on the bottom near the hub for the index hole again... 3 holes total because you can't punch through the media...

 

to preserve the flip side without a modified drive you need the index hole... the write protect notch doesn't come into play.

Ah, I just only ever used one for the 5.25" disks for the 1050.

[rcamp48]

I still have around 100 floppy disks for the Atari 8 Bit , no idea of what's on them yet, and 2 1050 disk drives with my 800xl.

 

Edit: I just took them out , I will list them here:

 

Sherlock

Omniview

Basic XE Example Programs

Diskscan

Hard Ball

Beach Head II
BobTerm 1.1

Digitize Tune!

Sam Speech Sythesizer

AMS XEDisk Wizard II

MyCopier 2.1

Spartados Toolkit

Basic XE Extension disk for Atari Computers

Scanalizer

Advanced Protection Disk

Kyan Pascal

Educational DOS

Lister Plus

Magnaprint II + v.4.1 (A and B)

Pinball construction set

Pinbaall Construction Set Other Tools disk

Jingle disk

Bouncing Ball Demo

Gauntlet Deeper Dungeon

Demo Disk # 3

Music Construction Set

Video Blitz Demo

Synassembler 

File Search

 

Edited January 16, 2022 by rcamp48

[Tillek]

On 1/15/2022 at 4:43 PM, _The Doctor__ said:

yes in the sleeve...You lift the jacket near the center hub and do the top and then the bottom leaving the media intact... I used a piece of thick paper to protect it at one time until I got better at it.  You are just making your own flippy disk. In fact there are punching kits to do so...or rather there were...

Yeah, I used to do the same the same thing.  You can easily lift it up enough to do it without touching the media itself if you're just careful about it.

 

I was doing this when I was a kid in gradeschool.

 

 

[www.atarimania.com]

22 minutes ago, rcamp48 said:

Educational DOS

 

What's on this one please?

[rcamp48]

9 minutes ago, www.atarimania.com said:

 

What's on this one please?

I will boot it and find out, hang on I am not too far away!

 

[+Stephen]

39 minutes ago, rcamp48 said:

I still have around 100 floppy disks for the Atari 8 Bit , no idea of what's on them yet,

Nudging you to see if you ever got that "amazing haul" of BBS disks archived from a year or two back?

[rcamp48]

Sorry its Irrational DOS, the label was not too clear.... have you ever heard of it?

Irrational DOS.atr

[rcamp48]

6 minutes ago, Stephen said:

Nudging you to see if you ever got that "amazing haul" of BBS disks archived from a year or two back?

Doing what's left, I have them all on my TNFS server

[rcamp48]

I guess I should upload whats on my NTFS server it has been sitting there for over a year now....lol

 

 

130XE-Paperclip.atr Action-Utilities-1.atr Action-Utilities-2.atr ams-music-1.atr Atari_Oracle_Program.atr Atari_Oracle_Program_disk.atr Basic-Faster-And-Better-Disk-1.atr Basic-Faster-and-better-disk-2.atr Basic-Faster-and-Better-Disk-3.atr Basic-Faster-and-Better-disk-4.atr Beatles_Compendum.atr Boulder-Bomber-Elevator-man.atr Cardca-Keyboard-drivers.atr Epset-Epson-Printer-Drivers.atr foremxe1.atr foremxe2.atr foremxe3.atr GAG-Disk-240-AMS-Christmas-Music.atr GAG-Disk-241-AMS-Christmas-Music.atr GAG-Disk-257-Sign-maker.atr GAG-Disk-309-More-AMS-Music.atr GAG-Disk-AMS-Music-Grateful-Dead.atr Homepack-Custmiser.atr Homepak-Customiser-docs.atr Homeview-customiser-docs.atr Homeview-Customiser-program.atr KWEST_Feb_90.atr KWEST_Feb_90_Side_2.atr KWEST-128-Crime-Adventure.atr KWEST-Dec-89-a.atr KWEST-Dec-89-b.atr KWEST-Feb-89-a.atr KWEST-Feb-89-b.atr KWEST-Jan-89.atr KWEST-June-89.atr KWEST-June-89-b.atr KWEST-Mar-90-a.atr KWEST-Mar-90-b.atr Omnifile.atr Screen-Dump-For-Koala-Pad.atr Smart_Terminal.atr Spell-Magic-Docs.atr Spell-Magic-Program.atr

[rcamp48]

KWEST # 1 copied a long time ago...

 

kwest 021 MyCopyr! 2.1.atr kwest 122a Action! Toolkit.atr kwest 122b Action! Runtime.atr Kwest_001a.atr Kwest_002a_Adventure_Games_From_Brantford_Club.atr kwest_003a.atr kwest_003b.atr Kwest_004a.atr Kwest_004b.atr kwest_005a.atr kwest_005b.atr kwest_006a_Printshop_utilities.atr kwest_007a_TAD_Disk_directory.atr kwest_008a_Dos_4.0.atr kwest_008b_Utilitiies.atr kwest_009a_GTIA_Demos.atr Kwest_009a_GTIA_Utilities.atr kwest_010a_Games_No_Dos.atr Kwest_010a_No_DOS.atr kwest_011a_GTIA_Games.atr Kwest_011b_GTIA_Utilities.atr Kwest_012a_Adventures_Disk.atr kwest_012b_Games_disk.atr kwest_013a_dos_xe_complete_version.atr kwest_014a.atr kwest_014b.atr kwest_015a.atr kwest_015b.atr kwest_016a.atr kwest_016b.atr kwest_017a_music.atr kwest_017b_music.atr kwest_018a.atr kwest_018b.atr kwest_019a.atr kwest_019b.atr kwest_19a_various_basic_programs.atr kwest_020a.atr kwest_020b.atr kwest_021b.atr kwest_022a.atr kwest_022b.atr kwest_023a.atr kwest_023b.atr kwest_024a_AMS_etc.atr kwest_025a.atr kwest_025b.atr kwest_026a_Dos_Dup_etc.atr kwest_026b_Games.atr kwest_027a_Disk_Wizard.atr kwest_027b_Disk_Wizard_II.atr kwest_028a.atr kwest_028b.atr kwest_029a.atr kwest_030a.atr kwest_030b.atr kwest_031a.atr kwest_031b.atr kwest_032a.atr kwest_032b.atr Kwest_33a.atr kwest_34b.atr kwest_35a.atr kwest_36a_Turbo_Basic.atr kwest_36b_Turbo_Basic.atr kwest_037a.atr kwest_037b.atr kwest_038a.atr kwest_039a_SAGE_Catalog_Disk.atr kwest_039b_Sage_Disk_Library.atr kwest_040a_Text_Pro_4.5.atr kwest_040bText_Pro_4.5.atr kwest_075a_dos_2.atr kwest_075b_dos_2.atr kwest_076a_educational.atr kwest_077a_Disk_Utils.atr kwest_77b_Disk_Utilities.atr kwest_078a_Index_to_Analog_Mag.atr kwest_079a_Games.atr kwest_080a_DOM_OCT_88.atr kwest_080b_DOM_may_88.atr kwest_081a_DOM_Nov88.atr kwest_081b_DOM_Nov_88.atr kwest_082a_Daisy_V1_and_ACE_C.atr kwest_082b_Daisy_V1_and_ACE_C.atr kwest_83a_Dos_dup_D&D_Char_generator.atr kwest_084a_textpro_4_5.atr kwest_084b.atr kwest_085a_games_and_graphics_(TAF_disk_113).atr kwest_086a_games_and_graphics_(TAF_disk_113).atr kwest_086a_Practiacal_Applications.atr kwest_086b_Practiacal_Applications.atr kwest_087a_(TAF_61).atr kwest_088a_(Sage_Advanced_Utilities_U03).atr kwest_088b_(Sage_Advanced_Utilities_U03).atr kwest_089a_Enchanted_Forrest.atr Kwest_090a_Monopoly_(TAF_78).atr kwest_090b_Software_Protection_Techniques_Vers_1_1.atr kwest_091a_Practical_Utils.atr kwest_091b_Spy_Vs_Spy.atr kwest_092a_games.atr kwest_092b_Games.atr kwest_093a.atr kwest_093b.atr kwest_094a_DOM_June_90.atr kwest_094b_DOM_June_90.atr kwest_095a_Sage_#_12_Forth.atr kwest_095b.atr kwest_096a_Rainbow_DOS_and_Mathpad.atr kwest_097a_Tom's_Pic_Utilities.atr kwest_98a.atr kwest_099a_Bobterm.atr kwest_100a_Printyshop_Icons.atr kwest_100b_printshop_grraphics.atr kwest_100bPrint_Shop_Icons_disk_2.atr kwest_101a_printshop_icons.atr kwest_101b.atr kwest_102a_Printshop_Graphics_6_&_7.atr kwest_102b_printshop_graphics_8.atr kwest_103a_Printshop_Graphics_9.atr kwest_103B_Printshop_Graphics_10.atr kwest_104a_PS_Icons_11.atr kwest_105b_PS_icons_12.atr kwest_106a_Mastermind.atr kwest_106b_Olympia_A_track_and_Field_Game.atr kwest_107a.atr kwest_107a_GTIA_no_35_May_1987.atr kwest_107b_GTIA_Disk_#_38_May_1987_Side_B.atr kwest_108a_Paper_Airplane_Creator.atr kwest_108b_Paper_Airplane_Creator.atr kwest_111a_MrDo.atr kwest_112a_DOM_Jan_88.atr kwest_113a_Copymate_4.4.atr kwest_113b_DOM_Jan_88_side_2.atr kwest_114_DOM_July_90.atr kwest_114b_Text_Pro_4.54.atr kwest_115a_DOM_Jan_1988.atr kwest_115b_Jan_1988.atr kwest_116a_DOM_88--05-02_entertainer_bobterm.atr kwest_116b_Grip_assembler.atr kwest_117a_squaresbas_vcrlabelbas_flashexe_makebootexe.atr kwest_117b_boogieamp_dontamp.atr kwest_118a_dos_dup_sys.atr kwest_118b_bad_sector_disk_copier.atr kwest_119b_data_disk_for_kwest_119b.atr kwest_120a_Rembrant_Gallary.atr kwest_120b_various_programs.atr kwest_121a_Disk_Index_303.atr kwest_123a_Various_Utils.atr kwest_123b_misc_utilities.atr kwest_124a_DOM_Nov_89.atr kwest_124b_DOM_NOV_89.atr kwest_125a_DOM_May_88.atr kwest_129a_Crossword_Magic_4_0.atr kwest_130a_Ninja.atr kwest_130b_Mule.atr

[rcamp48]

I should include the original xfds from the first time I copied the 200 kwest disks #1 as I was anble to recover a few disks from the atrs on the 2nd post that maybe did not copy right, 

 

Basic Program Lister v2.1 (1984-12)(Alpha Systems).atr Basic XE Detokenizer v1.11 (1989-06-04)(Psycho).atr DOS v2.5f (1983)(Atari)[m L.J. Silver].atr dos2.atr hardball Team Creator Docs.atr Hardball Team Creator.atr KWEST01B.XFD KWEST03A.XFD KWEST03B.XFD KWEST05A.XFD KWEST05B.XFD KWEST09A.XFD KWEST09B.XFD KWEST10A.XFD KWEST10B.XFD KWEST14A.XFD KWEST14B.XFD KWEST15A.XFD KWEST15B.XFD KWEST16A.XFD KWEST16B.XFD KWEST17A.XFD KWEST17B.XFD KWEST18A.XFD KWEST18B.XFD KWEST19A.XFD KWEST19B.XFD KWEST20A.XFD KWEST20B.XFD KWEST22A.XFD KWEST22B.XFD KWEST23A.XFD KWEST23B.XFD KWEST23C.XFD KWEST23D.XFD KWEST24A.XFD KWEST24B.XFD KWEST25A.XFD KWEST25B.XFD KWEST26A.XFD KWEST26B.XFD KWEST27A.XFD KWEST27B.XFD KWEST28A.XFD KWEST28B.XFD KWEST29A.XFD KWEST29B.XFD KWEST30A.XFD KWEST30B.XFD KWEST31A.XFD KWEST31B.XFD KWEST32A.XFD KWEST32B.XFD KWEST33A.XFD KWEST33B.XFD KWEST34A.XFD KWEST34B.XFD KWEST36A.XFD KWEST36B.XFD KWEST37A.XFD KWEST37B.XFD KWEST38A.XFD KWEST38B.XFD KWEST39A.XFD KWEST39B.XCD KWEST39B.XFD KWEST39C.XFD KWEST39D.XFD KWEST42A.XFD KWEST44A.XFD KWEST44B.XFD KWEST46A.XFD KWEST46B.XFD KWEST47A.XFD KWEST47B.XFD KWEST48A.XFD KWEST48B.XFD KWEST49A.XFD KWEST49B.XFD KWEST50A.XFD KWEST50B.XFD KWEST52.XFD KWEST54A.XFD KWEST54B.XFD KWEST57A.XFD KWEST57B.XFD KWEST58B.XFD KWEST59A.XFD KWEST59B.XFD KWEST60A.XFD KWEST60B.XFD KWEST61A.XFD KWEST62A.XFD KWEST62B.XFD KWEST63.XFD KWEST63A.XFD KWEST66A.XFD KWEST66B.XFD KWEST67.XFD KWEST68.XFD KWEST68A.XFD KWEST68B.XFD KWEST69.XFD KWEST70.XFD KWEST73.XFD KWEST74.XFD KWEST75A.XFD KWEST75B.XFD KWEST76.XFD KWEST80A.XFD KWEST80B.XFD KWEST81A.XFD KWEST81B.XFD KWEST82A.XFD KWEST82B.XFD KWEST83.XFD KWEST84.XFD KWEST85.XFD KWEST87A.XFD KWEST88A.XFD KWEST88B.XFD KWEST89.XFD KWEST93A.XFD KWEST93B.XFD KWEST95A.XFD KWEST95B.XFD KWEST96.XFD KWEST99.XFD kwest103b.atr kwest121b.atr KWEST125.XFD KWST61B.XFD KWST100A.XFD KWST100B.XFD KWST102A.XFD KWST102B.XFD KWST103A.XFD KWST103B.XFD KWST104A.XFD KWST104B.XFD KWST105A.XFD KWST105B.XFD KWST106A.XFD KWST108A.XFD KWST108B.XFD KWST109A.XFD KWST109B.XFD KWST115A.XFD KWST115B.XFD KWST116A.XFD KWST116B.XFD KWST118A.XFD KWST118B.XFD KWST119A.XFD KWST119B.XFD KWST121A.XFD KWST121B.XFD KWST123A.XFD KWST123B.XFD KWST124A.XFD KWST124B.XFD KWST127A.XFD KWST127B.XFD KWST130A.XFD KWST130B.XFD KWST131A.XFD KWST131B.XFD KWST132A.XFD KWST132B.XFD KWST135A.XFD KWST139A.XFD KWST140A.XFD KWSTLIB1.XFD KWSTLIB2.XFD MYCOPDOC.XFD MYCOPYR2.XFD SAGECAT.XFD SAGECAT2.XFD TAF98A.XFD TAF98B.XFD TAFLIB90.XFD TEXTP45B.XFD TEXTPR45.XFD TXTPRO45.XFD UNKNOWN2.XFD ZYBEX.XFD ZYBEXTAF.XFD