Omega-TI Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 The last paragraph in Chris Schneider's SHIFT 838 Newsletter about what is on the horizon for the Nano-PEB was an intriguing question. From a purely evolutionary angle it would suggest... 1) Either USB or SD card storage for contemporary PC compatibility. 2) USB or RJ45 (Ethernet) port for communications. Of course one of the problems I imagine will be making it appear to be a serial card to the TI. And hopefully... 3) A design that can functionally work with a CASE! From an evolutionary or revolutionary aspect, where would YOU like to go in designing and upgrade or an entirely new device? This is of course just brainstorming, for conversation purposes we'll dispense with things like DSR issues, patent violations, or other messy things that reality throws at us. I KNOW a lot of you guys have some fantastic ideas... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeBo Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 I have my trusty dremel out and am working on making a case from an old aluminium cigarette box (which just happens to fit perfectly) but there's no getting around the fact that including a 'good quality' case with the base device could easily double the price. And you'd still be buying a device where you have to pick up the power supply separately. I'd rather keep the price low (I still shake my head at how inexpensive these things are) and see a functional usb port added (I'm fine with the compact flash - they're still pretty easy to find at better camera shops, and all my pc's have add-on front panel port for any flash device including CF's). What I would say is a MUST-HAVE addition would be pass-through expansion port functionality...I should be able to connect my real PEB to the CF7/nanoPEB and simply make use of whichever one is powered up (or even better, have the CF card's DSK1 function as DSK3 when a real PEB is connected, to facilitate copying from CF directly to floppy (à la HxC)...that coupled with an HDX modded rs232 card would create infinite storage possibilities and ultimate compatibilty with files stored on my PCs. The current complications of hooking both a nanoPEB and a real PEB at the same time remain my biggest pet pieve, and so addressing this and providing hassle free dual functionailty would be the top of my wish list for what is otherwise a pretty damned awesome device. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atrax27407 Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 How about a side-port Y-Cable? Or card? As long as the CRU addresses don't conflict, there shouldn't be a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ksarul Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 We'll know how well the side port splitter cards work in a few weeks. . .I plan to order a test batch of them next weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+retroclouds Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Back in 2012 I was in contact with Jaime and I asked if he could add SAMS support to the CF7/nanopeb. He told me that he was working on a that together with FAT and SD support for a successor model.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeBo Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 We'll know how well the side port splitter cards work in a few weeks. . .I plan to order a test batch of them next weekend. Now there's a review that I am waiting to read with baited breath!!!! and um, where does one acquire such a thing (not that I need any new suppliers with which to spend even MORE money!) Although the splitter would still not assist in moving files from the CF to a real disk, it WOULD be nice to have both the PEB and nanoPEB connected at the same time and selectable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atrax27407 Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 A Nano-PEB probably wouldn't work but a CF7 should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeBo Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 A Nano-PEB probably wouldn't work but a CF7 should. why would that be? ...one is SIO and one is PIO but aside from that, aren't they pretty much the same device? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atrax27407 Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 I'm sure the Nano-PEB assigns CRU addresses to its components. Whereas a CF7 is simply storage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ksarul Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Actually, the CF7 has a disk DSR too, so it would fight with the disk controller in a PEB (although possibly not with a RAM Disk at CRU >1000). It would also fight with an RS232 or 32K memory card. It might not argue with a hard disk at the right CRU either. The same things would go for the NANO-PEB. As to obtaining one of the splitters, I'd be one source once they are tested as functional--and I'd probably put some of them up on Arcadshopper's site as well, as I try to keep all of my hardware designs in stock there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstimson Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 I'd actually like to see one as a native PEB card. I have a fully tricked out PEB but have refrained from getting a CF7 or NanoPEB since it means using on or the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJGuillot Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 In a next-generation NanoPEB, it would be nice to see support for a clock, perhaps CorComp clock compatibility like I've heard the Classic99 emulator has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ti99iuc Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 (edited) I would like he build the new cards again using a 7805 regulator as the same for the older models... at now i purchased about 8 nanoPEB/CF7 and i have 5 with problems... ... he told me that the problems are for the wrong AC adapter used... but they are 5v adaptor Edited February 15, 2015 by ti99userclub Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega-TI Posted February 15, 2015 Author Share Posted February 15, 2015 Back in 2012 I was in contact with Jaime and I asked if he could add SAMS support to the CF7/nanopeb. He told me that he was working on a that together with FAT and SD support for a successor model.... 2012? Don't hold yer breath eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeBo Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 (edited) Sort of off topic, but on topic in a nanoPEB/CF7 thread... Plugging the CF card into my PC the other day it struck me that this is the only card I have, and any one of a myriad of mishaps could wipe it accidentally. A lot of work goes into filling/cataloguing one of these things, and I'd hate to lose everything is there a utility available to format a CF for use with a nanoPEB so I could have a backup should one bite the dust, or would I have to go back to Custodio and have him send me a spare. I know he mentions which cards he thinks are the best, but can't seem to find anything on intiliazing a second card. Thought I might find something in TI99Dir, but it onlt seems to deal with individual volumes and disks not the card as a whole. Guess I could have asked Custodio this in the first place, but I figure I'm in this thread, so I may as well ask here and now (and in 10 minutes from now I'll forget to remember to ask - gotta love late middle-age brain farts) Edited February 16, 2015 by PeBo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Lee Stewart Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Sort of off topic, but on topic in a nanoPEB/CF7 thread... Plugging the CF card into my PC the other day it struck me that this is the only card I have, and any one of a myriad of mishaps could wipe it accidentally. A lot of work goes into filling/cataloguing one of these things, and I'd hate to lose everything is there a utility available to format a CF for use with a nanoPEB so I could have a backup should one bite the dust, or would I have to go back to Custodio and have him send me a spare. I know he mentions which cards he thinks are the best, but can't seem to find anything on intiliazing a second card. Thought I might find something in TI99Dir, but it onlt seems to deal with individual volumes and disks not the card as a whole. Guess I could have asked Custodio this in the first place, but I figure I'm in this thread, so I may as well ask here and now (and in 10 minutes from now I'll forget to remember to ask - gotta love late middle-age brain farts) CFMGR will format volumes on the nanoPEB and CF7+ from an initially FAT-formatted CF. TI99Dir will, indeed, initialize a CF for the nanoPEB and CF7+ with the “Initialize CF7A+ Volume” option of the “Files” menu. ...lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willsy Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 he told me that the problems are for the wrong AC adapter used... but they are 5v adaptor This may actually be true. If you are using a 5V PSU and there is a 5V regulator on the nanoPEB then there will actually be a volt drop on the output side of the regulator, and it could be dropping the voltage too low for the board to operator reliably. If your board is fitted with a 5V regulator then you would be better off with a 6V power supply, or remove the regulator from the board and jumper the regulator input to the output. However, you should only do that if the 5V power supply you are using is fully regulated (and full-wave regulated). Some of the outputs from these cheap chinese PSUs is really crappy. You'd be shocked if you put them on an oscilloscope! I prefer the "old fashioned" wound-transformer type, with full-wave rectification (4 diodes) and a nice big smoothing capacitor. They are nice and smooth, *but* the output voltage is *always* a function of the input voltage. Normal household mains voltage can vary wildly. In the UK the house voltage is 240V AC. However, I've witnessed 255V coming out of my sockets (early morning - low demand) and 239V (evening, high demand). This of course means that for an old "analogue" type transformer a voltage regulator is essential. The later type of PSUs are switch mode (they are very light, whereas as transformer types are heavy). They produce a stable output voltage, but their output is often very noisy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vectrexroli Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 A case would be great, never want to do an ugly hack like my NanoPEB case again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ti99iuc Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 (edited) ...This may actually be true. If you are using a 5V PSU and there is a 5V regulator on the nanoPEB then there will actually be a volt drop on the output side of the regulator, and it could be dropping the voltage too low for the board to operator reliably.If your board is fitted with a 5V regulator then you would be better off with a 6V power supply, or remove the regulator from the board and jumper the regulator input to the output. However, you should only do that if the 5V power supply you are using is fully regulated (and full-wave regulated). Some of the outputs from these cheap chinese PSUs is really crappy. You'd be shocked if you put them on an oscilloscope! ... Thank you for the post, but maybe there is a misunderstanding... i prefer the regulator on the boards... Custodio told me that i have problems because if i use a powersupply vith 5.50v/5.60v it could damage the nanoPEB, now, mines have 5.15v/5.25v but sometimes powersupplies could broke and have an out for an highter voltage so it is very dangerous anc could damage... so the regulator help and save the card... Edited February 16, 2015 by ti99userclub Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Lee Stewart Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 I would like he build the new cards again using a 7805 regulator as the same for the older models... at now i purchased about 8 nanoPEB/CF7 and i have 5 with problems... ... he told me that the problems are for the wrong AC adapter used... but they are 5v adaptor This may actually be true. If you are using a 5V PSU and there is a 5V regulator on the nanoPEB then there will actually be a volt drop on the output side of the regulator, and it could be dropping the voltage too low for the board to operator reliably. If your board is fitted with a 5V regulator then you would be better off with a 6V power supply, or remove the regulator from the board and jumper the regulator input to the output. However, you should only do that if the 5V power supply you are using is fully regulated (and full-wave regulated). Some of the outputs from these cheap chinese PSUs is really crappy. You'd be shocked if you put them on an oscilloscope! I prefer the "old fashioned" wound-transformer type, with full-wave rectification (4 diodes) and a nice big smoothing capacitor. They are nice and smooth, *but* the output voltage is *always* a function of the input voltage. Normal household mains voltage can vary wildly. In the UK the house voltage is 240V AC. However, I've witnessed 255V coming out of my sockets (early morning - low demand) and 239V (evening, high demand). This of course means that for an old "analogue" type transformer a voltage regulator is essential. The later type of PSUs are switch mode (they are very light, whereas as transformer types are heavy). They produce a stable output voltage, but their output is often very noisy. Thank you for the post, but maybe there is a misunderstanding... i prefer the regulator on the boards... Custodio told me that i have problems because if i use a powersupply vith 5.50v/5.60v it could damage the nanoPEB, now, mines have 5.15v/5.25v but sometimes powersupplies could broke and have an out for an highter voltage so it is very dangerous anc could damage... so the regulator help and save the card... The nanoPEB instruction manual says, “The power supply MUST be regulated. WARNING – voltages exceeding 5v or the wrong polarity (center pole negative) can permanently damage the card!”. There is surely no voltage regulator on the card. ...lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ti99iuc Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 (edited) The nanoPEB instruction manual says, “The power supply MUST be regulated. WARNING – voltages exceeding 5v or the wrong polarity (center pole negative) can permanently damage the card!”. There is surely no voltage regulator on the card. ...lee Yes, i know ... what you mention is the current manual and refer to actual cards ... but, the early versions of CF7/nanoPEB has the 7805 voltage regulator... they needed also for a 9v power supply instead of the actual 5v powersupply, but i never had the problems i have on the current nanopeb/cf7... what i would mean in the #13 post of this thread, is only that i'd like to have again the regulator, this, for greater protection from possible voltage surges which can then damage the card ... i never understand why Custodio has removed it in the new cards. also all our PEB cards mount a 7805 ...i just think that with it, is better... Edited February 16, 2015 by ti99userclub 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Schmitzi Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 yes, and something written in the manual does not prevent from happening errors and destroyal of the nanoPEB at all, maybe due to "broken" powersupply or wrong handling or whatever at all. My recent case was that I got back 2 repaired nanos/CF7+, and they just ran for a minute, and then they "went down". And this happened on an expensive power-supply, that I am using for a year. And I am still running 3 other nano´s now on the same power-supply without any errors or issues. And never heard again from the manufacturer. So, how can the manual help me now, with that hint ? Ralf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vectrexroli Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 I had a Nano PEB dying after a few months and the power supply was a modern regulated 5V one for sure, even one with a brand name. Got a new Nano PEB then, that one is running now with the same power supply and I hope it will survive. Maybe it was just bad luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Schmitzi Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 yes, sh*t happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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