RJ Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 Color me skeptical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassGuitari Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Maybe I missed something, but I'm not getting the point of this:If it's an emulation/retron-type device, why bother? There are already hundreds.If it's a hardware reproduction, it looks like it would have to be Jaguar, and the numbers simply don't make sense for that. Otherwise would it be another system and games put into Jag shells? That makes even less sense.If it's supposed to be its own console with brand new, exclusive (or quasi-exclusive) hardware and games, who's going to develop for it? For a platform that would optimistically sell in the hundreds, I'm guessing no one.What's the business model here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 (edited) Well I see SoCal has been involved with/initiated a number of retro-flavored projects...the RGRup podcast, GameGavel, 2600 homebrew games, (the underwhelming) RETRO magazine, now this (& likely other unnamed/unannounced endeavors in-between). Maybe this seems to him the next logical step in the progression. All the luck in the world, but...meh. Not interested. Edited March 2, 2015 by RJ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roland p Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Any news? specs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S1500 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 We've had quite a few hardware platforms of game consoles over the decades. Heck, you could just take an unpopular console, replicate that in the shells/controller above, and make new games from there. Why not use the Dingoo A320 hardware? Convert that to a console, and a lot of the work has already been done. Pull off one's own Atari XE Game System. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Iacovelli Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 from what heard on fb, its a new system all together just using the casings from jaguar to play retro style games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybird3rd Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 The fact that all of us recognize the Jaguar case makes it easy to leap to the conclusion that this new system must be a Jaguar, but it seems that they're simply saving themselves some (significant!) tooling costs by reusing the Jaguar molds. Aside for the question of whether a new console is a good idea, this makes sense to me: I always thought the Jaguar case was pretty good-looking (as long as you don't use the infamous "toilet bowl" CD add-on), and there's lots of room inside for whatever they want to put into it. Their use of the Jaguar case also implies that they're already committed to using cartridge media, which is encouraging: the more I use systems based on optical media and digital downloads, the more I appreciate the immediacy and permanency of "plug and play" game cartridges. It's difficult to draw any conclusions without more detailed information (specifications and so forth). I can see certain positives to creating a new "retro-style" console: it would be all-new hardware, and it can include modern A/V outputs as a standard feature, something that is becoming increasingly important as larger numbers of people have nothing in their homes except high-definition widescreen displays. However, they're going to need to come up with some compelling differentiating factors that would set this new console apart from other alternatives, past and present. If they're looking to create something inspired by 16-bit consoles, for example, they'll need to give interested developers a reason to support this console instead of simply developing for the Genesis and SNES. If they're looking to create something more modern, or something based on emulation or an already-existing OS platform, they'll need something to distinguish it from other modern systems which also offer these features. Then there are the issues of the availability of development tools and documentation, the logistics of distribution, the number of games that will be available on launch, etc. They have a lot of work ahead of them, and there are still many unanswered questions, but I'm intrigued by the idea and will certainly be following their progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybird3rd Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Just to "think out loud" for a moment: it might be interesting if they used an already-existing computer platform like the Amiga or Atari ST as a starting point, repackaging it as a console and re-licensing existing games in much the same way that Atari did with the XEGS. That would give them a built-in game library to choose from, and the benefits of a well-understood and well-documented architecture with a mature tool chain. Because it would be repackaged as a game console, it would also be different enough from the user's point of view to distinguish it from the original computers, which (viewed from today's context) would be much harder for most people to get into today than a game console would be. It might be an opportunity to "reintroduce" a great vintage system like the Amiga to modern audiences, if they decide to go that route. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhd Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Just to "think out loud" for a moment: it might be interesting if they used an already-existing computer platform like the Amiga or Atari ST as a starting point, repackaging it as a console and re-licensing existing games in much the same way that Atari did with the XEGS. That would give them a built-in game library to choose from, and the benefits of a well-understood and well-documented architecture with a mature tool chain. This is a really good idea, but the biggest challenge would definitely be re-licensing the titles, especially those with sufficient name recgonition. Atari had the advantage in that it already owned the rights to most (all?) of the re-released games. Look at the Colecovision Flashback, for example. While it did manag to include numerous arcade ports, it is still criticized for missing big-name titles e.g. Donkey Kong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrothead Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 (edited) We have actually considered the consolized Amiga. Exploring with Amiga Forever. Edited March 10, 2015 by Parrothead 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S1500 Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Make sure it has a retro-flavored advertising campaign, with a bunch of people huddled in front of a TV. Video commercials must have a scrolling starfield background. That's just the way things work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7800fan Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 We have actually considered the consolized Amiga. Exploring with Amiga Forever. In keeping with tradition of consolized computer systems of the 80s and 90s, you should call it AmigaGS Just like C64GS and Atari XEGS, etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clint Thompson Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 We have actually considered the consolized Amiga. Exploring with Amiga Forever. I thought the specs were to be announced last week or so... I can't seem to find it online anywhere, or is it still in-the-air? Still interesting in learning more about the hardware... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tron Unit Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 I'm still waiting for a retro console that will play all pre-NES games ala Atari 2600-7800, Intellivision, Colecovision, Odyssey, Vectrex, etc. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariLynx Lover Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I am interested in this project, but I'm also cautious. I'll be following developments keenly, but I'll reserve judgement until more on it comes out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamemoose Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I have to wonder- why cartridges? As others have stated, there are so many devices out there for devs to easily publish their games to, why revert back to a potentially limited and expensive format? Yes it would be retro-licious to be able to slam a cart into the system's socket and play something like Towerfall with a bunch of friends but let's get realistic. Who will make the carts? Who PAYS for the carts-publisher/developer/Mike? Who determines how many get made or is it made to order? Either use flash media or at worst hook the system up to a PC with a USB cable to transfer games purchased on the site Steam-style. Going cartridge I think would be financial suicide. But then that takes away the draw for the console, doesn't it? Then it becomes just another Android-like console. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clint Thompson Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I have to wonder- why cartridges? As others have stated, there are so many devices out there for devs to easily publish their games to, why revert back to a potentially limited and expensive format? Yes it would be retro-licious to be able to slam a cart into the system's socket and play something like Towerfall with a bunch of friends but let's get realistic. Who will make the carts? Who PAYS for the carts-publisher/developer/Mike? Who determines how many get made or is it made to order? Either use flash media or at worst hook the system up to a PC with a USB cable to transfer games purchased on the site Steam-style. Going cartridge I think would be financial suicide. But then that takes away the draw for the console, doesn't it? Then it becomes just another Android-like console. Who's to say it will not be flash based to some degree? I'm still waiting on the specs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akator Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Not sure what to think about this yet. I haven't written it off, but count me with the skeptics. As both a classic and modern gamer, I cannot think of a reason to own another console in addition to what is already available. I already have access to all of the retro gaming I could ever dream of with emulation on PC, Mac, and Android. When emulation isn't good enough, I already have access to retro gaming with original hardware. If I don't own something, I can easily buy it through eBay and other sources. I already have access to all of the modern gaming I could ever dream of with Steam, Android, and modern consoles. Perhaps I just don't have enough imagination to understand who this console is for, or what it can do for me that other options will not 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubxcube Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 I'm stoked for it... Plug and play games without needing to be connected to anything for day one updates... im hoping to see ports of modern retro style games like "Splosion Man" "Sword and Sworcery" "FEZ" "Braid" "Limbo" "shadow Complex" "Deadlight" "castle crashes". Etc etc etc etc.... I would LOVE this!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 The chances of holding any sort of relevance against Nintendo\Sony\Microsoft in the video game world are about as likely as taking on Ebay in the online auction world. How did that old saying go again? Those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 So far Nintendo\Sony\Microsoft have not been able to earn my videogame business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Loguidice Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Of course it's not going to be relevant against the big three, but then it doesn't have to be. As long as the economic structure of the operation allows it to maintain a survivable niche, that's all that matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubxcube Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 I don't think he is trying to compete against the big 3. I think the idea is to create a console us for retro enthusiasts and sell enough to support himself and its production. I doubt he plans on taking over the gaming world... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 I'm stoked for it... Plug and play games without needing to be connected to anything for day one updates... im hoping to see ports of modern retro style games like "Splosion Man" "Sword and Sworcery" "FEZ" "Braid" "Limbo" "shadow Complex" "Deadlight" "castle crashes". Etc etc etc etc.... I would LOVE this!!!! For some reason I'm doubting it's even going to get games like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clint Thompson Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 I'm stoked for it... Plug and play games without needing to be connected to anything for day one updates... im hoping to see ports of modern retro style games like "Splosion Man" "Sword and Sworcery" "FEZ" "Braid" "Limbo" "shadow Complex" "Deadlight" "castle crashes". Etc etc etc etc.... I would LOVE this!!!! I think for games like this to work the price will be high on the consumer-end. Where you can get something like FEZ for cheap on a modern system, I would expect it to be much higher on a dedicated system like this. Much like the Jaguar itself, you can get or play games almost identical on other platforms for considerably less but Jaguar enthusiasts always prefer the version for their beloved system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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