Arbee Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 The 9938/58 may need additional initialization. Also, remember that the register address is different from the 9918 if you're trying to run it strictly back-compatible - write C0n3 instead of C0n1. I chose to follow MSX2+ order instead of making it strictly compatible. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/235246-the-ab-project-pac-man/page/2/#findComment-3188408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Usotsuki Posted March 1, 2015 Author Share Posted March 1, 2015 Ah, I was trying to treat the 9938 as if it were a 9918. Once I get THAT far, the 9938 manual might not look like gobbeldy-gook anymore. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/235246-the-ab-project-pac-man/page/2/#findComment-3188510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Usotsuki Posted March 1, 2015 Author Share Posted March 1, 2015 (edited) So I found some information here about setting the palettes, which I figured was what I didn't "get"... ------------------------------------------------------------------ | Palette | Colour | Brightness | Brightness | Brightness | | number | | of red | of blue | of green | |---------+---------------+------------+------------+------------| | 0 | transparent | 0 | 0 | 0 | | 1 | black | 0 | 0 | 0 | | 2 | bright green | 1 | 1 | 6 | | 3 | light green | 3 | 3 | 7 | | 4 | deep blue | 1 | 7 | 1 | | 5 | bright blue | 2 | 7 | 3 | | 6 | deep red | 5 | 1 | 1 | | 7 | light blue | 2 | 7 | 6 | | 8 | bright red | 7 | 1 | 1 | | 9 | light red | 7 | 3 | 3 | | 10 | bright yellow | 6 | 1 | 6 | | 11 | pale yellow | 6 | 3 | 6 | | 12 | deep green | 1 | 1 | 4 | | 13 | purple | 6 | 5 | 2 | | 14 | grey | 5 | 5 | 5 | | 15 | white | 7 | 7 | 7 | ------------------------------------------------------------------ Alright. So the same page says you write the color number, followed by $90, to the MSX2's Z80's port $99, and then write the palette values first R<<4|B, then G, to port $9A. I interpreted that thusly: 10 DATA 0,0,0,0,0,0,1,1,6,3,3,7,1,7,1,2,7,3,5,1,1,2,7,6,7,1,1,7,3,3,6,1,6,6,3,6,1,1,4,6,5,2,5,5,5,7,7,7 20 FOR I = 0 TO 15 30 READ R,G,B 40 POKE 49346,I: POKE 49346,144 50 POKE 49347,(R * 16) + B: POKE 49347,G 60 NEXT And assuming that the i/o addresses (for slot 4) are C0C0 for read/write data and C0C3 for write register control.I'm still not getting something here. Edited March 1, 2015 by The Usotsuki Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/235246-the-ab-project-pac-man/page/2/#findComment-3188517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
robj Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 The disk images for the SuperSprite board have been posted here: (from apple2 facebook group) https://www.dropbox.com/s/cnpd7w10dspijbr/StarSprite-SuperSprite-Programs.zip?dl=0 I tried the demo, and it works with the ezcgi card io mapping. One thing is that this card seem like it would have overlayed the video from the sprite card over the normal apple2 video. Arbee, is this possible with to do with mess? /Rob Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/235246-the-ab-project-pac-man/page/2/#findComment-3194527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
robj Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 I just remembered that the manual for the SuperSprite was also posted in the facebook group, this looks like it details the hardware ports for the card. Perhaps a specific Supersprite card emulation could be added to Mess? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/391444/Vintage/apple/ii-peripherals/synetix/supersprite/synetix-supersprite-owners-manual-cs.pdf /Rob Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/235246-the-ab-project-pac-man/page/2/#findComment-3194545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsson Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Regarding 9938, do you also have access to said expansion card in hardware, or are you just dabbling in emulated environment for a setup that anyhow very few in the end would be able to replicate in real life? Anyway, $C0C0 = 49344, not 49346 as in your code example. $C0C3 = 49347 is "mathematically" correct though. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/235246-the-ab-project-pac-man/page/2/#findComment-3195372 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Usotsuki Posted March 11, 2015 Author Share Posted March 11, 2015 The only cards I have in hardware are a Unidisk card, a Super Serial and a Softcard. But if there's software, it would make it more worthwhile to clone the hardware. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/235246-the-ab-project-pac-man/page/2/#findComment-3195493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arbee Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 (edited) The idea is that if it works out in emulation, it's a relatively easy step to e.g. a Carte Blanche II if one appears (I don't think they sell 99x8 chips anymore). The SuperSprite manual is quite useful, and the overlay feature is fairly advanced for the time. It should be possible in MESS, but that will require some thinking. Until then it's certainly possible to emulate the full capabilities (9918 + 8912 + the Echo II-compatible speech) minus the overlay. Edited March 23, 2015 by Arbee 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/235246-the-ab-project-pac-man/page/2/#findComment-3204331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesD Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 The idea is that if it works out in emulation, it's a relatively easy step to e.g. a Carte Blanche II if one appears (I don't think they sell 99x8 chips anymore). The SuperSprite manual is quite useful, and the overlay feature is fairly advanced for the time. It should be possible in MESS, but that will require some thinking. Until then it's certainly possible to emulate the full capabilities (9918 + 8912 + the Echo II-compatible speech) minus the overlay. You can purchase 9938 and 9958 chips out of China off of ebay all the time and there are places you can buy them in quantity. How many chips actually remain I don't know. Something like the Carte Blanche can be reprogrammed to be just about any hardware but I think a custom card would be cheaper. A smaller FPGA would probably hold a 9938 and AY sound chip, maybe even a Mockingboard but I just don't see there being much of a market for it without software. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/235246-the-ab-project-pac-man/page/2/#findComment-3204414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Usotsuki Posted March 24, 2015 Author Share Posted March 24, 2015 Well, that's the trick. I just wish I were better at programming. So far I have a rough demo in BASIC with Pac-Man moving around but no ghosts and no eating pellets, and no collision detection, which I haven't, I don't think, uploaded... Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/235246-the-ab-project-pac-man/page/2/#findComment-3204489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesD Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Well, that's the trick. I just wish I were better at programming. So far I have a rough demo in BASIC with Pac-Man moving around but no ghosts and no eating pellets, and no collision detection, which I haven't, I don't think, uploaded... Would you like some suggestions as to how to implement this? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/235246-the-ab-project-pac-man/page/2/#findComment-3204592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Usotsuki Posted March 24, 2015 Author Share Posted March 24, 2015 Sure, why not. Figure once it's prototyped I can translate it into a saner and faster language. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/235246-the-ab-project-pac-man/page/2/#findComment-3204602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesD Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Sure, why not. Figure once it's prototyped I can translate it into a saner and faster language. Um, yeah... understood but you didn't answer the question. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/235246-the-ab-project-pac-man/page/2/#findComment-3204617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Usotsuki Posted March 24, 2015 Author Share Posted March 24, 2015 I thought "Sure, why not" was an answer. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/235246-the-ab-project-pac-man/page/2/#findComment-3204651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesD Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 (edited) I thought "Sure, why not" was an answer. Totally missed it... too much internet. I've started selectively skimming what I read. Build a 2 dimensional array to represent a copy of the maze in regular RAM. Use a value to represent walls, a value to represent pills and a value to represent dots. Exact positions of ghosts, Pacman and fruits are calculated and you use the hardware to detect those collisions, but you translate each sprite position to a position in the maze to detect whether or not you can travel in a direction, whether you eat a dot or pill, etc... The ghosts use the same array to calculate where to travel. Pass throughs and the exit to the central box are special cases that use unique values to trigger their own logic. Match the maze to the dots. I hope I got this maze right, you'll have to double check it. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX X............XX............X X.XXXX.XXXXX.XX.XXXXX.XXXX.X XPXXXX.XXXXX.XX.XXXXX.XXXXPX X.XXXX.XXXXX.XX.XXXXX.XXXX.X X..........................X X.XXXX.XX.XXXXXXXX.XX.XXXX.X X.XXXX.XX.XXXXXXXX.XX.XXXX.X X......XX....XX....XX......X XXXXXX.XXXXX XX XXXXX.XXXXXX XXXXXX.XXXXX XX XXXXX.XXXXXX XXXXXX.XX XX.XXXXXX XXXXXX.XX XXX^^XXX XX.XXXXXX XXXXXX.XX XX XX XX.XXXXXX . XX XX . XXXXXX.XX XX XX XX.XXXXXX XXXXXX.XX XXXXXXXX XX.XXXXXX XXXXXX.XX XX.XXXXXX XXXXXX.XX XXXXXXXX XX.XXXXXX XXXXXX.XX XXXXXXXX XX.XXXXXX X............XX............X X.XXXX.XXXXX.XX.XXXXX.XXXX.X X.XXXX.XXXXX.XX.XXXXX.XXXX.X XP..XX....... .......XX..PX XXX.XX.XX.XXXXXXXX.XX.XX.XXX XXX.XX.XX.XXXXXXXX.XX.XX.XXX X......XX....XX....XX......X X.XXXXXXXXXX.XX.XXXXXXXXXX.X X.XXXXXXXXXX.XX.XXXXXXXXXX.X X..........................X XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Study ghost behavior here: http://gameinternals.com/post/2072558330/understanding-pac-man-ghost-behavior Edited March 24, 2015 by JamesD 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/235246-the-ab-project-pac-man/page/2/#findComment-3204682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Usotsuki Posted March 24, 2015 Author Share Posted March 24, 2015 Nod. Game maze I'm using's a bit smaller, because I was using the MSX version as a base (since it's easier to use what's already there): ##################### #.........#.........# #*###.###.#.###.###*# #.###.###.#.###.###.# #...................# #.###.#.#####.#.###.# #.###.#...#...#.###.# #.....### # ###.....# #####.# #.##### #.# #===# #.# #####.# # # #.##### . # # . #####.# ##### #.##### #.# #.# #####.# ##### #.##### #.........#.........# #.###.###.#.###.###.# #*..#.....C.....#..*# ###.#.#.#####.#.#.### #.....#...#...#.....# #.#######.#.#######.# #.#######.#.#######.# #...................# ##################### I think it looks something like that. 21x24 grid. Characters for the maze and dots, sprites for Pac and the ghosts. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/235246-the-ab-project-pac-man/page/2/#findComment-3204943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesD Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I just used the arcade grid because that's what I had. Just don't try to manage navigating the maze on screen is the main thing. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/235246-the-ab-project-pac-man/page/2/#findComment-3205019 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Usotsuki Posted March 24, 2015 Author Share Posted March 24, 2015 Probably a good point - it's a recipe for serious slowdown. I'll have to keep the maze (in its virgin state) in memory anyway, so... Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/235246-the-ab-project-pac-man/page/2/#findComment-3205111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arbee Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 There's a project called VIGASOCO where they converted the Pac-Man Z80 code (and I think a few other Z80 games now) into working equivalent C source. (It's not really a "decompile" since the original program was written in assembly). Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/235246-the-ab-project-pac-man/page/2/#findComment-3206488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Usotsuki Posted March 26, 2015 Author Share Posted March 26, 2015 Depending on the game, that might be useful. Would be even more so if it were MSX ports. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/235246-the-ab-project-pac-man/page/2/#findComment-3206593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesD Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Depending on the game, that might be useful. Would be even more so if it were MSX ports. I think the only ports I saw were for the PC Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/235246-the-ab-project-pac-man/page/2/#findComment-3206708 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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