tcdev Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 OK, so the Neo Geo line is misleading as we don't know of any working Neo Geo FPGA core. 1> Put the best possible FPGA as your base, something that should be capable of, at a minimum, duplicating a Neo Geo. The whole Neo Geo core was a throwaway comment by Mike. Wishful thinking. Pie-in-the-sky stuff. If you want the ability to use legacy cartridges for the core, then obviously your cartridge port will require all 240 pins on the MVS cartridge, or at the very least 200 for the AES. Either way, that's a lot of pins for a multi-system emulator console (and connectors can be frustratingly expensive). Failing that, if you want to run off SD for example, then you need to copy the cartridge data into either 5 parallel memory devices, or a lesser number of devices and time-multiplex access from the Neo Geo core. You also need to remember that complex FPGA cores are still running at sub-100MHz speeds in cheaper devices, so you hit the bandwidth limit pretty quickly when trying to multiplex access to/from external devices. It says something that such a popular system like the Neo Geo, which also tends to have users with open wallets, hasn't yet seen an FPGA core. Not to say it's technical impossible - I've actually had Joy Joy Kid running through the attract mode on an Altera DE2 with just the FIX layer implemented - but certainly doesn't lend itself to prototyping without dedicated hardware. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenegg Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 The level of my anger is more then my post on there face book about atariage, fu*king loyalty is everything, this is news I don't like. I don't care if you hate him but shit not cool !!!! Calm down. SumerNivek's post is actually a good observation. Only time will tell what happened within the team. It is definitely odd for Steve to suddenly be participating on FaceBook and it's true that John suddenly went silent. It might be nothing, but it's a valid thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Maybe a special controller that *locks* games to their system, ie can't be played with touch screens or other controllers. Why would you want to do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draikar Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Calm down. SumerNivek's post is actually a good observation. Only time will tell what happened within the team. It is definitely odd for Steve to suddenly be participating on FaceBook and it's true that John suddenly went silent. It might be nothing, but it's a valid thought. True, I will wait and see... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SumerNivek Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Calm down. SumerNivek's post is actually a good observation. Only time will tell what happened within the team. It is definitely odd for Steve to suddenly be participating on FaceBook and it's true that John suddenly went silent. It might be nothing, but it's a valid thought. Thanks, Goldenegg. Draiker/Roberta, I was not trying to upset you with my remark. Just trying to decipher what they mean about a change in the hardware team. We will all have to wait to find out, but I couldn't stop from hypothesizing. Even though I thought this campaign was confusing and mishandled, I don't hate Mike at all. In a post earlier in this thread (many pages ago), I actually said that my one interaction with Mike was with the non-delivery of an issue of a Retro Magazine issue, and once I contacted him directly, he took care of it right away, which I then emailed him and thanked him for his help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 (1) Bugs - Put an SD (preferably, micro SD) slot on the system. When a cart is placed in the system and it is powered on, if nothing is in the SD slot, the cart runs as normal. This way, the cart can always be played in its original form. And I am more confident than most here that, if developers were told that this is how the system will normally function, games would be less buggy than what is rushed out for today's consoles and most would be playable in their original form with no major bugs... Still, bugs happen. So if the system is powered on with a cart and an SD card inserted, the software automatically looks for any bug fixes for that particular cart on the SD card. This way, if there are no bug fixes, nothing has to be done, and if there are fixes, you can just download something onto the SD card (on your PC) once and leave the SD card in your system. So now you have a bug fix, and you still normally start the system like an old school machine. Also, if there is a bug fix, the startup screen could inform you of that with a quick indicator so for, say, high score comparison, a video will show if the cart was being played in its original form or with a bug fix. I see this being exploited by hackers, similar to how the Retron5 can patch game carts. Patches/updates are simply like a proprietary form of romhack similar to IPS. Developers fix bugs and add features, but hackers and modders could easily disseminate their own derivative works using the patching system. Depending on your stance, this could be seen as positive for the gaming community or a threat to IP. Some makers of PC games go to great lengths to prevent tampering, especially in online games, while other developers encourage the creation of "mod kits". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro Nick Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Calm down. SumerNivek's post is actually a good observation. Only time will tell what happened within the team. It is definitely odd for Steve to suddenly be participating on FaceBook and it's true that John suddenly went silent. It might be nothing, but it's a valid thought. Steve was answering questions on FB months ago. He answered my question about the media that would be used inside the carts. He answered "100 year flash", but since then, didn't they mention masked ROMs? (It doesn't matter, project in reboot mode now) I figure if anyone leaves first, it's Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draikar Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 (edited) Just a update of how indegogo works, they have not refunded the money. If they do it on a Friday it will not be refunded unto Tuesay but If its before Friday it will be put into paypal the same day, bank takes 3 day.. Edited September 29, 2015 by Draikar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SumerNivek Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Steve was answering questions on FB months ago. He answered my question about the media that would be used inside the carts. He answered "100 year flash", but since then, didn't they mention masked ROMs? (It doesn't matter, project in reboot mode now) I figure if anyone leaves first, it's Steve. From my observations and what others here have observed, as well as what I thought was Steve's own admission on the interview that he has been absent from the forums and FB, I thought Steve had been absent from their FB page for the last few weeks and that it was mostly John and Mike commenting? Sorry if I was incorrect in this observation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Since this was posted in the Modern Gaming section I missed on on the vast majority of this train wreck. The hell? Since when did this thread get moved out of the Jaguar forum? It had a cozy home there for a long time... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nathan Strum Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 I wonder what adjustments to their 'team' (as far as I know, the hardware team is just 1 guy) will be? They're probably bringing Steve Wozniak on board. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro Nick Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 (edited) From my observations and what others here have observed, as well as what I thought was Steve's own admission on the interview that he has been absent from the forums and FB, I thought Steve had been absent from their FB page for the last few weeks and that it was mostly John and Mike commenting? Sorry if I was incorrect in this observation! It's all cool. Steve was adamant that he has never read this forum, and this seems very true, but he did have a FB account (at least for RVGS stuff), very early on. Edited September 29, 2015 by Retro Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 As Mike said in my interview, http://retrogamingmagazine.com/2015/09/27/rgm-interview-with-retro-vgs-team-unofficial-copy-from-audio-interview/, they need to crawl before they walk. Funny because I distinctly remember him saying you needed to "walk before you could crawl". In all actuality, it seems like they took off thinking they could fly, and sailed straight off a cliff. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariNerd Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 The Tramiels, maybe? They're probably bringing Steve Wozniak on board. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickcris Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 I wonder how many of the backers (there were about 150 individual I think) had a financial interest in this coming to life. Seems to me like there were a lot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+5-11under Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 I wonder how many of the backers (there were about 150 individual I think) had a financial interest in this coming to life. Seems to me like there were a lot. Those were the 150 developers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Imagine something like this would have happened (not saying that Mike would do that)... http://kotaku.com/video-game-kickstarter-disappears-with-over-30-000-1733558273 BTW, I submitted the IGG for RetroVGS to Kotaku, one day after it went live. They never posted about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Imagine something like this would have happened (not saying that Mike would do that)... http://kotaku.com/video-game-kickstarter-disappears-with-over-30-000-1733558273 BTW, I submitted the IGG for RetroVGS to Kotaku, one day after it went live. They never posted about it. Kotaku might have some questionable content at times but I understand the choice not to bother with this mess on any level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triverse Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Funny because I distinctly remember him saying you needed to "walk before you could crawl". In all actuality, it seems like they took off thinking they could fly, and sailed straight off a cliff. He did, he later corrected himself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroGamingTube85 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 So I made a video about the 3 Suggestions for Success when it comes to the Retro VGS. Check it out if you have some free time! 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 So I made a video about the 3 Suggestions for Success when it comes to the Retro VGS. Check it out if you have some free time! Spot on, cheers for the shoutout about AA, hope you stick around. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroGamingTube85 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Spot on, cheers for the shoutout about AA, hope you stick around. Oh I plan on it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StopDrop&Retro Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Nice video. For some reason I feel a compulsive urge to visit NewWaveTraders.com!!!!!! Also, I don't want to be a dick, but it's pronounced "Oooh-Yah" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bretthorror Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 In terms of anyone attacking the angry AA'ers, to be honest, I came to this thread because it was on the Pat & Ian podcast video and I've spent my share of time here on and off in the past and I knew that of all forums I've ever been to, this one is the only one that doesn't fuck around. I trusted trading or buying off of people here without question, much more than Ebay. One guy literally threw in a second, alternate game.com he happened to find the day after I bought his CIB and threw it in for a dollar... basically covered more shipping, if that. I knew that if the people here didn't like the VGS, I really needed to find out what they were saying because for the most part everyone here knows what they're talking about and if there's a project that makes them happy, they'll spend the money for it. I've seen dozens, if not hundreds of games/hacks/repros/mods/etc. come through this place and people would pre-order with trust and it almost always worked out. So if these AA people don't trust them, I don't fucking trust them. There's always some bad apples on every forum, but even Al as the owner is a good guy, normally the guy in charge of forums is some control freak douche, and if someone fucked over someone on here, they'd be out the door before it hit them on the ass. So I've bought my Jaguar, my 32X, mods, repros, games, controllers and everything else off these forums from total strangers. I gave these AA'ers my money. I always got my product. But these so called professionals on IGG can't even be trusted for that. So I don't think it's bad AA'ers in this because we've all shot money around to one another and for the most part are totally unscathed by any bad deals. I bought an Odyssey 2 a year ago on eBay. It was tested and working according to the listing. The fucking video cable was ripped off of it. In the back of my mind before I bought it (I decided it would be my last console because the older they are, the harder they are to find working) I figured I should just wait and buy one on AA. But I couldn't wait to get that one last system. So now where am I? I gotta buy a video cable back here at the AA store to try to fix it. A store where I also haven't been ripped off from so I know it is trustworthy! So yeah. Everything I stated above just proves how terrible we are 'round these parts. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zredgemz Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 If the RVGS team is really upfront and does everything they said they would do with the RVGS when it relaunches, then i will back the project. I was going to back till i found this thread and started reading at page 60. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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