mickcris Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 (edited) its live now: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/retro-vgs#/story looks like not much (if any) new info and no way its going to meet this goal: 1,950,000 USD goal Edited September 19, 2015 by mickcris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mux Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 (edited) Seriously? This is what they came up with? The PCB isn't even rendered correctly NOR does it have any traces on there. And an additional $2m in order to 'increase the size of the FPGA'? It'll be fun to see and watch how many suckers consumers are willing to part with their money. Unbelievable. Edit: Love the comparison matrix. It's like comparing a tricycle to a race car. -Mux Edited September 19, 2015 by Mux 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenixdownita Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 (edited) I love that 37% of the pledge goes into their pocket as stipend (at half their normal rate) ...for 2M$ -> 750K for 1Y or less -> it's 3 of them 250K$ each -> so today each of them makes now 500K$ per less than a Y ... holy schmoly ... and you can't put your own fuxxing money where your mouth is?If 37% is the figure for the strectch goal (bigger FPGA) each of them then will pockets 0.5M$ of the pledges .... F U!!!Side note: does it mean the smaller FPGA (the 49K LE) is not good for old system sim? It is for the Mist at 23.5K LE!!! But their 49K LE disappeared conveniently as the price went up.EDIT:they still lie:S-Video available via optional Sega 32X cable or expansion portThe 32X cable never supported SVideo ... get your fuxxing facts straight.But hey, they added the expansion port to support that .... AMATUERS. Edited September 19, 2015 by phoenixdownita 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+madman Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 More smoke and mirrors: Their "prototype controller" playing a game on hardware that doesn't exist sure looks a lot like this: 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickcris Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 (edited) wonder if the stretch goal is needed for the cartage adapters. i see no mention of those, but the stretch goal talks about recreating old systems. Edited September 19, 2015 by mickcris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaysWithWolves Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 (edited) I think that's 37% of the remaining 1/3; not of the full thing? I love that 37% of the pledge goes into their pocket as stipend (at half their normal rate) ...for 2M$ -> 750K for 1Y or less -> it's 3 of them 250K$ each -> so today each of them makes now 500K$ per less than a Y ... holy schmoly ... and you can't put your own fuxxing money where your mouth is?If 37% is the figure for the strectch goal (bigger FPGA) each of them then will pockets 0.5M$ of the pledges .... F U!!! Edited September 19, 2015 by PlaysWithWolves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenixdownita Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 (edited) Yeah probably, got carried away. So divide my numbers by 3 ... but you never know with these guys. Look what they did with the "metal" colors, extra 50US$ or 100US$ and as a reward jump in front of the queue ... this is new. Edited September 19, 2015 by phoenixdownita Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+remowilliams Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 Hmm... renders, tooling, WORDS, renders, WORDS, WORDS, tooling, WORDS, tooling video, WOITA, colors, colors, colors, WORDS, and pictures of pac man eating your wasted money 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenixdownita Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 SNA3D is dropped (not even in the negotiation category) ... hope it wasn't our fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenixdownita Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 It's looking good for them 26K in 1h, at this rate in 75h their are done .....which is 3 days .... let's see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaysWithWolves Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 (edited) The Indiegogo page is so lacking in details I've moved from "looks cool; lets give them a chance" side over to the "snake oil" side. It may well be a rock-solid design but they've given us nothing beyond "hey, look at our credentials; we got this." I don't even know what it means that they're shipping with FPGA but at twice the goal they'll ship with FPGA that does what they've promised all along it would. And why no explanation for the expansion port other than more video output? SNA3D is dropped (not even in the negotiation category) ... hope it wasn't our fault. I noticed that too. Awkward. Edited September 19, 2015 by PlaysWithWolves 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulBlazer Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 I really wanted to back this, but on seeing the campaign there's three major things that cause me to decide 'I'm not backing at any level....wait and see'. 1) $300! Holy fuck! 2) It's on Indiegogo as opposed to Kickstarter. That means they get to keep any money that they earn during the campaign, with even less obligation then on KS to do anything with it. 3) I really like Mike Kennedy and the people behind it, but I have doubts they can raise almost $2 million, plus the fact that they need that much money worries me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenixdownita Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 I really wanted to back this, but on seeing the campaign there's three major things that cause me to decide 'I'm not backing at any level....wait and see'. 1) $300! Holy fuck! 2) It's on Indiegogo as opposed to Kickstarter. That means they get to keep any money that they earn during the campaign, with even less obligation then on KS to do anything with it. 3) I really like Mike Kennedy and the people behind it, but I have doubts they can raise almost $2 million, plus the fact that they need that much money worries me. 2 is not true, it's fixed funding! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaysWithWolves Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 It's looking good for them 26K in 1h, at this rate in 75h their are done .....which is 3 days .... let's see. Well, good luck to them. I honestly hope it works out for everyone who is involved, including backers and gamemakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulBlazer Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 2 is not true, it's fixed funding! It's true. As opposed to Kickstarter, any money you pledge for something on Indiegogo is collected regardless of the campaign status, so even if it fails the money is given to the person. I've backed things on Indiegogo as well and know this from personal experience. Some people prefer using Indiegogo due to lower fees -- on KS you give 10 percent of your finding right away, split between KS and PayPal. But you also get more exposure on Kickstarter. For all those reasons I think they would have been better going there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaysWithWolves Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 phoenixdownita is correct. Go to the campaign page and under the goal amount it says "Fixed Funding". Mouse-over the question mark and it'll explain. It's doing better than I expected w/o any trace of inside hardware. Over US$30K now in just an hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+madman Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 The Indiegogo page is so lacking in details I've moved from "looks cool; lets give them a chance" side over to the "snake oil" side. It may well be a rock-solid design but they've given us nothing beyond "hey, look at our credentials; we got this." I don't even know what it means that they're shipping with FPGA but at twice the goal they'll ship with FPGA that does what they've promised all along it would. And why no explanation for the expansion port other than more video output? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_ocelot Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 If people are this willing to part with their money for what's basically (at this point in time) air trapped in a collectible Jag case then I might be in the wrong line of work... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenixdownita Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 I noticed that too. Awkward. I mostly hope the publisher is not in the dog house for speaking the truth .... to his credit beer was involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulBlazer Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 phoenixdownita is correct. Go to the campaign page and under the goal amount it says "Fixed Funding". Mouse-over the question mark and it'll explain. It's doing better than I expected w/o any trace of inside hardware. Over US$30K now in just an hour. I didn't know there was a option for the people to change it to Fixed Funding. Either that's new or the Indiegogo campaigns I've backed in the past never used that. Either way, I still think it's mistake to have it on there as opposed to Kickstarter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PikoInteractive Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 SNA3D is dropped (not even in the negotiation category) ... hope it wasn't our fault. Yeah, actually Im glad. Now we are out of this thing officially 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+madman Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 I mostly hope the publisher is not in the dog house for speaking the truth .... to his credit beer was involved. I doubt it. He didn't make up anything or speak negatively, he just said they came to me, chose this game and I have no idea how they're going to make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaysWithWolves Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 (edited) Kickstarter that stuff, madman. If it cures my aches, pains and grey hair I'm in for three. Edited September 19, 2015 by PlaysWithWolves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenixdownita Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 (edited) Well if it gets build and ships at the end of 2016 and it gets successful it will drop in price (all consoles in the past 15Y followed that path within less than 1Y) so it is not that I miss out either way My main interest would be to physically replace all the old 8/16 bits clunkers if possible ... I'm sure there will be other projects attempting something like this in half the time and a quarter of the money if this one gets funded .... ... and with a different case. Edited September 19, 2015 by phoenixdownita Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenixdownita Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 Yeah, actually Im glad. Now we are out of this thing officially i don't know ... for as long as you were not selling your soul to the devil some more exposure of your catalog is a nice thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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