Eric7100 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 (edited) I don't understand why lower serials (like 1-10, for example) can't be the same price as higher serials. I mean, everything else is the same, right? I remember when NIN released "The Slip" a few years ago. There were supposed to only be 250,000 physical releases of the album, each with a unique serial number. Every copy was exactly the same price. Although Trent Reznor kept Copy #1 for himself, other lower numbers (such as #2) were actually given away as prizes in a contest, rather than being priced higher. Why can't we do the same with Intellivision homebrews? Edited January 22, 2016 by Eric7100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignorama Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 (edited) Because "we" dont sell anything close to 250.000 copies maybe? Its no secret that I do not like serials at all, because they are mostly good for pushing prices (especially looking at these sponge resellers) and bringing grudge in the community. I caught myself in the past with thoughts like "why the hell cmart get the chance to reserve #1 before I am even able to order any copy?" Meanwhile I am much relaxter at that point and I realized that its a huge bubble, built around people like cmart and just a very few others guys. If they think its more worth, it will be more worth, but why the heck care for their daydream? In fact, as you said, its exactly the same and in fact they were produced at the same time. Of course not exactly the same time, but I doubt that anyone keeps track on it if the first box-sheet which comes out of the printer gets serial 1, so it doesnt even matter which actually was the first copy, it just matters which box from the pile gets the first sticker. If you realize that, you just smile at that childish stuff and dont even care. Copy 178 is also unique, because there isnt any other copy 178, so if you go from the hardcore-collector point of view, each copy is a single variant which only exists one time. If there are no serials, we dont have to philosophy about that anyway. I personally prefer releases without serials, because it spares a lot of this kindergarten, but if there are serials and its not "first come, first serve" its not a problem at all. Give me my "unique" copy with any serial and I'll be happy, probably more happy than the people who are living in the bubble ^^ Edited January 22, 2016 by Ignorama 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Rev Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I don't understand why lower serials (like 1-10, for example) can't be the same price as higher serials. I mean, everything else is the same, right? I remember when NIN released "The Slip" a few years ago. There were supposed to only be 250,000 physical releases of the album, each with a unique serial number. Every copy was exactly the same price. Although Trent Reznor kept Copy #1 for himself, other lower numbers (such as #2) were actually given away as prizes in a contest, rather than being priced higher. Why can't we do the same with Intellivision homebrews? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignorama Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Important addition: that is NOT ment to be criticism on Elektronite, because they serve a demand of the community, at least of a part of the community. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scalpel Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Meanwhile I am much relaxter at that point and I realized that its a huge bubble, built around people like cmart and just a very few others guys. If they think its more worth, it will be more worth, but why the heck care for their daydream? In fact, as you said, its exactly the same and in fact they were produced at the same time. Of course not exactly the same time, but I doubt that anyone keeps track on it if the first box-sheet which comes out of the printer gets serial 1, so it doesnt even matter which actually was the first copy, it just matters which box from the pile gets the first sticker. If you realize that, you just smile at that childish stuff and dont even care. Copy 178 is also unique, because there isnt any other copy 178, so if you go from the hardcore-collector point of view, each copy is a single variant which only exists one time. If there are no serials, we dont have to philosophy about that anyway. I personally prefer releases without serials, because it spares a lot of this kindergarten, but if there are serials and its not "first come, first serve" its not a problem at all. Give me my "unique" copy with any serial and I'll be happy, probably more happy than the people who are living in the bubble ^^ You give me smile twice 'cause you are completely right :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+SoulBuster Posted January 22, 2016 Author Share Posted January 22, 2016 (edited) Important addition: that is NOT ment to be criticism on Elektronite, because they serve a demand of the community, at least of a part of the community. You are right, it should not be a criticism of Elektronite. As far as I know Classic Game Publishers and Elektronite only released 1 title where the low serials were sold at a higher cost. William no longer wanted to track serials in that manner and stopped that practice. The rest of the titles that were sold at a higher cost were my doing. I do not mind keeping track of serial number sales. I bought and paid for the first 50 or 100 copies and sold them at what I wanted to sell them at as an independent seller and collector. Edited January 22, 2016 by SoulBuster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+cmart604 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I will put you down for #1 cmart Thanks Tim! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+cmart604 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Great to see one of us is happy ^^ Numbered releases is not a problem if you decide to sell all the games at same price and first arrive first serve (sorry for my English ^^) Thanks Pascal! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+cmart604 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Because "we" dont sell anything close to 250.000 copies maybe? Its no secret that I do not like serials at all, because they are mostly good for pushing prices (especially looking at these sponge resellers) and bringing grudge in the community. I caught myself in the past with thoughts like "why the hell cmart get the chance to reserve #1 before I am even able to order any copy?" Just for clarity's sake, William and I had a deal regarding me prebuying the #1's for a number of games at a time when he was needing some funding for some upcoming releases and I was happy to prepay and help out. As a number of people have stated there's really no reason why copies with low serials should be worth even a penny more than copy #178, but for me and a very small number of other people it's just a fun and cool thing. I'm clearly not buying anything like this with an eye towards profiting at some point in the future. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric7100 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I'm clearly not buying anything like this with an eye towards profiting at some point in the future. Prove it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignorama Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I know that you are no reseller cmart, in fact I know that you are damn generous to other collectors So sorry if I mixed that up a bit, the part with the resellers went to people like Mjarnold and others, who build there collection buy hoarding and reselling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m-crew Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 All Animals Are Equal, but some Animals are more Equal than others.???? it didn't work then and it wont work now... Its all of us that make this community work, the programmers,publishers,collectors ,and collector gamers..gamers, and not to mention the music lovers.. not one person is more important than the other.. all is needed... Lets all respect and be civil to each other.. So its Friday night !!! Cheers my Inty Brothers.. playing a bit of Tropical Trouble... cant wait to get my hands on her...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m-crew Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Its what you give, not what you take..... (Y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+cmart604 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Prove it. Well I've been on eBay for 17 years and haven't sold anything, so maybe I am a reseller but just a really shitty one. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+cmart604 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 I know that you are no reseller cmart, in fact I know that you are damn generous to other collectors So sorry if I mixed that up a bit, the part with the resellers went to people like Mjarnold and others, who build there collection buy hoarding and reselling. No worries, no offence taken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intellivotion Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 (edited) Cmart likes 1 because that's the number of friends he has. Eric, you're not the only friend of cmart (I know this was not the meaning of your joke, but allow me to joke too) Edited January 23, 2016 by intellivotion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Games For Your Intellivision Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Just for clarity's sake, William and I had a deal regarding me prebuying the #1's for a number of games at a time when he was needing some funding for some upcoming releases and I was happy to prepay and help out. As a number of people have stated there's really no reason why copies with low serials should be worth even a penny more than copy #178, but for me and a very small number of other people it's just a fun and cool thing. I'm clearly not buying anything like this with an eye towards profiting at some point in the future. Tim and I have had some discussions about adding 'value' to premium priced low serial numbers rather than simply a low number. They can include things such as clear shells, limited edition overlays and posters. Obviously, no promises and I'm not talking about specific titles. Low serials on a first come first served basis at the same cost can sometimes cause hard feelings. There can be a lot of people trying to lobby for lower numbers ahead of time. It is simply a number and means nothing. If low numbers are important to you, there is a higher price. If not, simply buy copy #178. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Games For Your Intellivision Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Screenshot_2016-01-22-13-26-12-1.png Fine Rev....put serials on your games at your expense and give away the low serial numbers as prizes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Rev Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Fine Rev....put serials on your games at your expense and give away the low serial numbers as prizes. Actually I was planning on it as maybe you noticed on my earlier reservation threads. But I nixed the idea. It was just too much extra time managing it for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Games For Your Intellivision Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Actually I was planning on it as maybe you noticed on my earlier reservation threads. But I nixed the idea. It was just too much extra time managing it for me. Yeah, I agree. They are a pain in the rear. Especially if they are all the same price and people lobby for low serial numbers well ahead of time. Not worth the expense and hassle. Unless, of course, the early serials cost more. However, I think Eric was volunteering to buy the low serial number copies at regular prices and give them away as prizes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric7100 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 If low numbers are important to you, there is a higher price. But there shouldn't be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Games For Your Intellivision Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 But there shouldn't be. If low numbers aren't important, pay the regular price for a higher number. Not a concern, right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Rev Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Yeah, I agree. They are a pain in the rear. Especially if they are all the same price and people lobby for low serial numbers well ahead of time. Not worth the expense and hassle. Unless, of course, the early serials cost more. However, I think Eric was volunteering to buy the low serial number copies at regular prices and give them away as prizes. He was going to but wastes thousands on his dog collection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric7100 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 He was going to but wastes thousands on his dog collection. Shut up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpmaul69 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 But there shouldn't be. if you arent willing to pay extra why do you think you should get a lower number? Do you have a problem with owning serial number 178? Otherwise there isnt even a purpose for serial numbers. Do you think you deserve a lower number so you can try to profit off of it? If you are a gamer then none of this should matter to you. If you are a collector you need to learn to buy in your price point and be happy. I know you want there to be only one game released a year and you want serial number one for no extra charge, but all your going to do is drive away the people producing these games. There is only so much complaining game producers can take. Then without them we have nothing. Then all our conversations on here will start with, "remember that time....." 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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