Caterpiggle Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Hello to you all ! If I brought PAL Commodore Plus 4 or 16 and bring it back into USA from Europe. Will they work with my USA power Supply version 110 volts instead of 220 volts power supply ? Will they NOT blow up internal power capacitors ? And will those PAL work with my NTSC/PAL Sony CRT monitor & another HDTV NTSC/PAL , too ? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/240621-commodore-plus-4-16-pal-power-issue/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
karokoenig Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 (edited) Should work with those TVs. I hook up my Plus4 and VC20 via SCART cable off ebay. Costs like 10 bucks and picture quality is great. As for the power supply: you need a converter. The Plus4 is a fun little piece of technology, and looks great. However, most of the games (even in 64k mode) fall flat compared to their C64 counterparts. Do you have a 1551 floppy drive to go along with it? Edited July 17, 2015 by karokoenig Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/240621-commodore-plus-4-16-pal-power-issue/#findComment-3279550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 You can use US power supply on Euro machines and the other way around. But never use Euro power supply on US mains and other way around unless it's sourced from a voltage converter which outputs the proper AC voltage. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/240621-commodore-plus-4-16-pal-power-issue/#findComment-3279562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caterpiggle Posted July 17, 2015 Author Share Posted July 17, 2015 Hello karokoeing & Rybags, I see both are in conflicts about power supply ? Which one is correct ? I has to be sure PAL Euro Commodore Plus 4 or 16 will work US Power Supply. Karokoening, I do not have 1551 disk drive (black case) for Plus 4 & 16 NTSC. I do not have any PAL Commodore at all, ONLY NTSC version expect 2 PAL Atari 800XL. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/240621-commodore-plus-4-16-pal-power-issue/#findComment-3279581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsson Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 The thing is like this: The Commodore 16 and 116 take 9.5V DC, 800 mA or better through a barrel connector.with centre negative polarity. This is very much alike a ZX Spectrum, a Sega Genesis, an Atari Jaguar. DC voltage is independent of the voltage and frequence of the AC line voltage in the wall wart, which means if you have a US power supply that is specified to output the same voltage and at least the required amount of ampere, and with the same polarity, you should be able to use it. I think the 9.5V is a gimmick and that it internally has a 7805 voltage regulator anyway so 9V or even 10V may work. Remember though that both the CPU and TED chips are fragile in these computers, so be careful. The Plus/4 on the other hand has a 4-pin square connector. It takes 9V AC + 5V DC just like a VIC-20, C64 or C128. You would be able to use a US power supply if you get an adapter or modify the computer so you replace the square connector with the more common round DIN connector. There may be a small discrepancy here in that the 9V AC will have the same frequency (50/60 Hz) as your wall wart. Generally it doesn't matter, but things like the TOD clock may derive its time from the AC frequency which means the clock might be off by a little if you use a US power supply with an European machine or vice versa. Otherwise the voltages are the same. What was said above is that if you got a 230V power supply from Europe, you can't just replace the connector to the wall wart and plug it in, in that case you would need the mentioned step-up converter to convert the wall wart 120V to 230V (or whichever actual voltages there are). As for floppy drive, doesn't the 1541 work with the Plus/4, only slower than the 1551 would be? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/240621-commodore-plus-4-16-pal-power-issue/#findComment-3279622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
karokoenig Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Yeah, the 1541 works as well. Connected differently, that's all. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/240621-commodore-plus-4-16-pal-power-issue/#findComment-3279646 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertB Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Caterpiggle wrote: > If I brought PAL Commodore Plus 4 or 16 and bring it back into USA from Europe. Will they work with my USA power Supply version 110 volts instead of 220 volts power supply ? Yes, the PAL Plus/4 that I have from England works fine with a North American p.s. > And will those PAL work with my NTSC/PAL Sony CRT monitor & another HDTV NTSC/PAL , too ? I have the Sony GVM-1311Q multiscan CRT monitor, and it works fine with displaying the PAL Plus/4's screen. As for HDTV, I don't know. Still in Las Vegas after CommVEx, Robert Bernardo Fresno Commodore User Group http://www.dickestel.com/fcug.htm Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/240621-commodore-plus-4-16-pal-power-issue/#findComment-3282390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caterpiggle Posted July 21, 2015 Author Share Posted July 21, 2015 Hello RobertB, What about Commodore 16 PAL ? Will work with US PS as well as no problem at all ? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/240621-commodore-plus-4-16-pal-power-issue/#findComment-3282829 Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsson Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 As mentioned, the C16 takes 9.5V DC so yes, if you've got a US power supply that matches that output you should be good. I believe a Genesis supply would match. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/240621-commodore-plus-4-16-pal-power-issue/#findComment-3283137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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