+DZ-Jay Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Well... this thread is about to become a total train wreck. And I didn't even get a chance to post! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+the1hatman Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 And I didn't even get a chance to post! You go ahead. I'm staying out of this one! ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DZ-Jay Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 You go ahead. I'm staying out of this one! Nope. I'm out. I'll watch from the sidelines on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+intellivotion Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Nope. I'm out. I'll watch from the sidelines on this one. hey, that's not what the superheros do! Unless you are willing to take the responsability for what has happened and to disapper for a while to save the situation. The Dark Captain Eyeroll Rises Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DZ-Jay Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 hey, that's not what the superheros do! Unless you are willing to take the responsability for what has happened and to disapper for a while to save the situation. The Dark Captain Eyeroll Rises I just don't want to get pink-eye cooties from exposing my rolling eyes to this mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+SoulBuster Posted March 14, 2019 Author Share Posted March 14, 2019 This is not meant to minimize how you feel artrag. I would feel the same if it happened to me, but Gyruss is a homebrew that has been sold to the public. By my count there are 54 titles + or - on the list where I believe no permission was given by the IP holder to create them. In a lot of cases the original code was used. Do I need to take those off the list and leave only licensed/original titles? That would make a list of 30 "legitimate" titles. I am leaning towards adding it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+BBWW Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 (edited) It is a variant (an illegal one). As it is a non-variant list perhaps list after Deep Zone with the caveat it was theft or an incomplete bootleg. Edited March 14, 2019 by BBWW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artrag Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 I may be egoistic here, but I wouldn't put at the same level coding from scratch an unlicensed version of a 30 y.o. game whose I. P. holders are dead or simply too big to care, with stealing the sources of a modern homebrew shared to the public for educational purposes, changing the title and trying to sell it at 150 pretending to be the author... That people should go in jail, that was a fraud attempt. It was not only immoral but openly illegal. To me those people and their game should be removed from the scene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+SoulBuster Posted March 14, 2019 Author Share Posted March 14, 2019 I do not want to argue what is and is not legal, or whether someone cares or not, or whether is it moral or not. There are a lot of games made that are less than legal and Gyruss falls into the same category. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artrag Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 (edited) No. I disagree. Gyruss is much worst then everything you have mentioned. They have taken my free game, repacked it with their names an a different title (that they do not have the right to use, but this is ancillary) and tried to sell it as Gyruss at 150€ It has on a different level, another thing much worst than developing a game (from scratch) without having the right to use the name of it. Developing the port of a classic game for a different platform, even if you do not own the rights for that game, is the result of study, work and dedication. There is no art or value in stealing the code of someone else and pretend it is yours. For me, after what they have done, their names and the name of their crapware should be erased away from this forum. If you list their game, that game will become a "collectible", the same as the others. Do you know what is damnatio memoriae ? That is the sole thing that they deserve. Edited March 14, 2019 by artrag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_me Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Artrag is absolutely correct. Except the intellivision gyruss programmer has said that the offending version of the cartridge was scrapped and rewritten from scratch. There are a couple of other cartridges on the list (Laser Sharks and Smurf Rescue) which are variations of other cartridges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artrag Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 (edited) Artrag is absolutely correct. Except the intellivision gyruss programmer has said that the offending version of the cartridge was scrapped and rewritten from scratch. There are a couple of other cartridges on the list (Laser Sharks and Smurf Rescue) which are variations of other cartridges. They claimed that the "offending version" (my stolen code) has taken 1 year of their work or more and now you believe that in about 1 month they have coded the game from scratch ? The offending version has been retired after they have started to sell it. And the other version has been rewritten, not from scratch, but from my game as well in few days (about 1 month). Your post is as offending as "their" game Edited March 14, 2019 by artrag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+intellivotion Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 You feel offended by mr_me's post?!? Offended by someone's opinion, which was expressed very politely and because it's different from yours? You'd better calm down 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+SoulBuster Posted March 14, 2019 Author Share Posted March 14, 2019 Developing the port of a classic game for a different platform, even if you do not own the rights for that game, is the result of study, work and dedication. There is no art or value in stealing the code of someone else and pretend it is yours. Some of those games I mentioned were not written from scratch. Original code in its entirety was used. They are less that legal and I am applying the same generalization to Gyruss. I guess that answer gets me off the fence. Gyruss will be added. Since I have not played it, it will be listed separately as I do not know that the gameplay is the same as yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_me Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 You feel offended by mr_me's post?!? Offended by someone's opinion, which was expressed very politely and because it's different from yours? You'd better calm downWell, it wasn't meant to be an opinion; only reporting what's been said. Artrag is right that there are questions with what is on that cartridge. Maybe someone has more information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+intellivotion Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 So, your "only reporting what's been said" was considered offending. That's maybe even worse. Reporting can never been offending, even though you don't like what's reported 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsson Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Some of those games I mentioned were not written from scratch. Original code in its entirety was used. They are less that legal and I am applying the same generalization to Gyruss. I see elsewhere here on AtariAge that people keep games and hacks thereof separate. Perhaps you could make two lists, one of released games and one of released hacks, and consider e.g. Gyruss one of the latter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_me Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 How do you know it's a hack? Perhaps development time is an indicator, of which artrag says is one month but the programmer says three months. I've heard the games are different, that it plays more like the original arcade compared to deep zone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artrag Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 (edited) Sure, they have modified my game, now (and the results are disappointing). But what they were selling was exactly A beta of Deep Zone with their names and a different title. Edited March 15, 2019 by artrag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+nanochess Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Sure, they have modified my game, now (and the results are disappointing). But what they were selling was exactly A beta of Deep Zone with their names and a different title. I think the right wording is "Gyruss (unauthorized hack of earlier Deep Zone game released at Atariage)" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artrag Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 I think the right wording is "Gyruss (unauthorized hack of earlier Deep Zone game released at Atariage)" This could be an acceptable mediation. If you want to list it, list it as hack of a beta version of Deep Zone. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+SoulBuster Posted May 8, 2019 Author Share Posted May 8, 2019 Post 1 updated for Quo Vadis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+SoulBuster Posted September 6, 2019 Author Share Posted September 6, 2019 Updated to include TNT Cowboy and Blix/Chocolate Mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+SoulBuster Posted September 6, 2019 Author Share Posted September 6, 2019 I have also updated my signature to reflect 127 Official Releases and added Gyruss to my collection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+SoulBuster Posted October 23, 2019 Author Share Posted October 23, 2019 Added League of Light and Robot Rubble, Intellivision Revolution version Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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