Rev Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 As you can see....World Champion Baseball is as BEST a hack of the original MLB Baseball. Its a stretch to include it in the 125. I think we can lay this one to rest. https://youtu.be/TYU4U6X6DqU https://youtu.be/6L1sWZCeCgw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slab0meat Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 It's already for sale, so it is released, even though we might not receive it for a week or so. Then count Rocketeer & Mars Minis. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+thegoldenband Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 The ROMs of Learning Fun I & II are not identical to the ones of Math Fun and Word Fun. They are like their "Super Pro" versions (not so much super, though...). I totally agree with you on Triple Challenge, but I can't imagine it outside the 125 True, but the ROM of INTV Pac-Man isn't identical to the Atarisoft version either. I actually have no problem with those three being in the 125, I just think they're the closest call in the bunch. @Rev: Funny, but seriously, were there any changes (especially gameplay changes) made to the Mouse Trap ROM? I didn't buy it because I thought it was just a repackaging of the game we already have, but if that's not correct I'd like to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+thegoldenband Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Heh, it even says on the page: "For you variation enthusiasts comes this CBS Mouse Trap alternative art edition." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Heh, it even says on the page: "For you variation enthusiasts comes this CBS Mouse Trap alternative art edition." No doubt! THis was my first entry into game releases. I wanted to get my feet wet on a release. I thought it was a fun project. I still think it is the best box art for Mouse Trap yet. There is room for 2 seperate lists! See my HARDCORE thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+thegoldenband Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Oh, like I said, no disrespect of any kind intended toward the project! It's cool-looking art for sure -- I'm just not a variant collector. I agree that 2 separate lists are called for. Hardcore, eh? I guess I'm about to find out things about Bea Arthur I didn't want to know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atari5200dude82 Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Then if u disregard world championship baseball of the 125. It is a different version. 1AND 2 PLAYERS AND EXTRA features. Then u will also have to remove Big leaugue baseball as well. . World champoinship baseball stays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Then if u disregard world championship baseball of the 125. It is a different version. 1AND 2 PLAYERS AND EXTRA features. Then u will also have to remove Big leaugue baseball as well. . World champoinship baseball stays. yes! I forgot that! 123? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+intvsteve Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Which two games were people thinking of removing? Big League doesn't appear in the 125. The baseball games in that list are: Major League Baseball / Big League Baseball / Baseball (same ROM, only packaging variants) World Championship Baseball World Series Baseball You can't lump the original and World Championship together. The number of new features in WCBB - fly balls, sliding, larger field, new sprites (the running men are subtly different), some different controls... Anyone remember if they even used the old code? Was that in the baseball episode of Intellivisionaries? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+intellivotion Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 I agree with intvsteve: 125 is the number and can't be changed. It is like a dogma. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+SoulBuster Posted August 7, 2015 Author Share Posted August 7, 2015 World Championship Baseball stays in! That's no variant, it's a space st...I mean, it's an updated and expanded version of an earlier game, just like most of the INTV Super Pro titles. Why are people so determined to include Mouse Trap in a list of "homebrews"? Were there any changes made to the game code? If new modes or something were added, then it should absolutely be in, but otherwise I can't see how it's anything other than a variant. That doesn't demean the project in any way, it's just a statement based on the idea that the game, not the packaging, is paramount in establishing a "core set". BTW the most borderline cases in the original 125 are really Learning Fun I & II and Triple Challenge, IMHO. It is not that I am determined to include Mouse Trap. There are good points for taking it out and good points for leaving it in. The ROM is unchanged from the original release and only the package was changed. It was issued beyond the scope of the first 125. So the debate is that it is a package variant, but it is also produced outside the first 125 and stands unique against all other homebrews. It will never be accepted as counting to complete the first 125. For myself, I still cannot decide whether to include it in my signature number or not. Right now, it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+SoulBuster Posted August 7, 2015 Author Share Posted August 7, 2015 (edited) Updated the Title to be more accurately describe the contents. Edited August 7, 2015 by SoulBuster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpmaul69 Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Updated the Title to be more accurately describe the contents.it appears that same game & robots are from the future of 20,012. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+SoulBuster Posted August 7, 2015 Author Share Posted August 7, 2015 it appears that same game & robots are from the future of 20,012. Thanks for the heads up, fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Which two games were people thinking of removing? Big League doesn't appear in the 125. The baseball games in that list are: Major League Baseball / Big League Baseball / Baseball (same ROM, only packaging variants) World Championship Baseball World Series Baseball You can't lump the original and World Championship together. The number of new features in WCBB - fly balls, sliding, larger field, new sprites (the running men are subtly different), some different controls... Anyone remember if they even used the old code? Was that in the baseball episode of Intellivisionaries? Like I said.....its a hack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric7100 Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Only if I get into a car wreck and die. In the event of your death, I would certainly hope that you have a contingency plan. Like your wife shipping out the remainder of the new games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+cmart604 Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 As you can see....World Champion Baseball is as BEST a hack of the original MLB Baseball. Its a stretch to include it in the 125. I think we can lay this one to rest. https://youtu.be/6L1sWZCeCgw https://youtu.be/6L1sWZCeCgw I swear to god I'm gonna kick you in the nuts next time I see you. In addition, we may need to convene an emergency meeting of the Brotherhood to vote on whether or not to kick you out and ban you for such blasphemy. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+cmart604 Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 No doubt! THis was my first entry into game releases. I wanted to get my feet wet on a release. I thought it was a fun project. I still think it is the best box art for Mouse Trap yet. There is room for 2 seperate lists! See my HARDCORE thread. This, on the other hand I can agree with. Two lists. One for Rev and I, and one for the rest of you heathens/non afflicted. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy62 Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 This is a very interesting yet funny topic! However any one of us sees it, it is all subjective and in our own heads as to how far you go with it. Mostly, have fun and keep collecting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 In the event of your death, I would certainly hope that you have a contingency plan. Like your wife shipping out the remainder of the new games. I actually do have a back up plan: eBay user Pikachu will aquire all unsent copies and list them on his eBay store at 200% msrp. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gunoz Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 So the debate is that it is a package variant, but it is also produced outside the first 125 and stands unique against all other homebrews. It will never be accepted as counting to complete the first 125. Wouldn't Rev's Mouse Trap at least count as a loose cart toward the 125? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 The question is.....where will these lists reside forever? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gunoz Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 I actually do have a back up plan: eBay user Pikachu will acquire all unsent copies and list them on his eBay store at 500% msrp. Fixed that for you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 (edited) If Baseball and World Championship Baseball get to stay on the 125 list. Then..... Same Game & Robots 2005 and Same Game & Robots 2012 get to stay on Soulbusters list since they have quite a few differences. Sg&R 2012 is not just a reissue. You guys can't have it both ways. Edited August 8, 2015 by revolutionika Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric7100 Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 I actually do have a back up plan: eBay user Pikachu will aquire all unsent copies and list them on his eBay store at 200% msrp. I don't like this plan! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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