Muzz73 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 After pulling my 1050 and 810 put of storage (they were in there for a few years), neither of them work! I tried both my 800 and my 800XL, two different SIO cables, daisy-chained and individually, but all I get is "BOOT ERROR!". Have any of you seen this before? Am I missing something? I still have a few more SIO cables I can try, but I thought I'd put the word out, just in case. Thanks in advance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) firstly plug it all together before plugging them in to power, you can blow the transformer fuse or the id select chips! next thing make sure the ID select on each drive is set to a different ID I would try them with one turned on and the other off at first.... that way you can be sure they are working as drive one first then you can set different id's afterwards The ID select is the slider switches in the back of the drives visible thru holes in the back of the cases Edited September 10, 2015 by _The Doctor__ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzz73 Posted September 10, 2015 Author Share Posted September 10, 2015 Yes, I had them set to different ID #'s when they were daisy-chained, but had both set to drive #1 when they were hooked up individually. Ugh. I'll try my other cables, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzz73 Posted September 10, 2015 Author Share Posted September 10, 2015 Yes, I had them set to different ID #'s when they were daisy-chained, but had both set to drive #1 when they were hooked up individually. Ugh. I'll try my other cables, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 as the Doctors says. try one drive at a time - set to "d1" if that fails, try switching SIO cables - and switching different ends of connector after that - if you still have a boot error try cleaning the heads with rubbing alcohol is the drive trying to read? or is the "boot error" msg there but no drive activity after initial power-on activity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillC Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 The contacts on the drive select switches can become oxidized after long periods of inactivity. I recommend spraying some contact cleaner into them and sliding them back and forth several times, this should resolve the problem if it is just oxidized contacts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marius Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 1) Make sure you try to boot a disk that is in the right density. If you have a Double Density disk ... that won't work in a stock diskdrive (except XF551) 2) Common issues are: 1) Sector #0 sensor is defect or needs to be alligned. You can hear this by switching on the diskdrive. The head will move forward and back and stops if it is right (perhaps you have to open the case to see the behavior) 3) Perhaps drive speed is not good 4) Are you sure you use the right PSU? I once thought my disksdrive was broke, and then I found out I was using my 1010 psu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Westphal Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Do the simple thing first, clean the heads and rails. Lube rails with a little petroleum jelly. Clean, clean clean everything. Make sure you are using the universal 400/800/810/1050 power supply. The go from there ^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tep392 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Don't forget to check the belt. If it stretched and slipping it will affect your drive speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KLund1 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 What about the floppy disk itself. It is known to be good on another machine? Is it inserted the right way? just a tought... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzz73 Posted September 10, 2015 Author Share Posted September 10, 2015 I was using some single density Atari DOS 2.5 disks I got from B&C (new) and two different 50w PSU's that I got from Best (also new). I'll try disassembling and cleaning the drives in a few days (I have an out-of-town wedding to attend this weekend). Thanks for all of the help! I'll post an update soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilsaluki Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 My vote is Belts. Should be able to find replacement belts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanmercer Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Probably the caps *nods* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzz73 Posted September 12, 2015 Author Share Posted September 12, 2015 OK, the latest news is... both drives give the repeated BOOT ERROR when plugged in and no disks in them at all. I've tried every combination of 800, 800XL, 810, 1050 and five separate SIO cables. Ugh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 OK, the latest news is... both drives give the repeated BOOT ERROR when plugged in and no disks in them at all. I've tried every combination of 800, 800XL, 810, 1050 and five separate SIO cables. Ugh! That sounds correct - without a disk, you will always get the boot error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marius Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 You wrote earlier that you use the right density disk. Do you mean you use a disk that is not formatted? Your disk should be bootable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1050 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 How about a report on the speed at which the BOOT ERROR text shows up on the screen? There is rapid mode and slow mode for this and it is information which can help. Slow mode is one line of text every few seconds, rapid is much faster than that and will fill the entire screen quickly. You cleaned the heads with what? Do we have to pry information out of you at every turn or will you please begin typing in earnest at this point? WD-40 works very well for cleaning heads but it works very slowly so you have to actually spend a couple of minutes doing that - please do this much. And then the issue can be dismissed entirely. Until I see you type it, I don't know what you are doing or with what. Far too many think rubbing alcohol is sufficient when it's not. They don't know that rubbing alcohol comes in two flavors to begin with, non-effective 50% and the stuff to use to clean up WD-40 with at 95%. Only use 95%. It's the important part. Typing even more important. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzz73 Posted September 15, 2015 Author Share Posted September 15, 2015 I'm sorry for the sporadic posts. My internet service at home is terrible and I can often only connect for a few minutes before losing carrier. It sucks, so I have to post quickly. OK, I have four single density DOS 2.5 floppies that I got from B&C, none of which work in either drive, on either computer with any of the five SIO cables that I have. When I turn the computer on with the drive empty, it gives me BOOT ERROR in slow mode. When I put an Atari DOS master disk in and turn the computer on, I get BOOT ERROR in rapid mode. I haven't cleaned the heads on either drive, yet, but am hoping to have that done soon. If cleaning the drive heads doesn't help, should I consider that My Atari DOS disks may just be blank? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Do the simple thing first, clean the heads and rails. Lube rails with a little petroleum jelly. Clean, clean clean everything. Make sure you are using the universal 400/800/810/1050 power supply. The go from there ^ Yes, this should be the first thing done after some time in storage.. If the drive initialised and then stops but won't boot disks then do this and it *should* sort the issue.. If still nothing then give any chips on the controller board a reseat... Oxidation is a mega pain in the bum... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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