emkay Posted November 8, 2015 Author Share Posted November 8, 2015 I'm curious why you don't work with dual POKEY's? Maybe you're trying to see the max you can get out of a stock setup? If you want to show what POKEY in the stock A8 could do, how useful is it to use several of them? And, well , a third version with reduced arpeggios, some corrections and so on. To explain, why this stuff is hard to create with RMT is to understand, if people know how POKEY creates the waves. If you have a simple filter slide of approx. 3 seconds, can take hours to get adjusted. If you don't have the possiblility to reset the wave offset everytime, when needed, you have to use the - at that moment - available offset. Played in a short row of patterns, you get an always similar offset, but, if you do a simple short loop, the offset changes, which makes the resulting sound different.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 If you want to show what POKEY in the stock A8 could do, how useful is it to use several of them? Alright, I assumed that's the case and I can appreciate it as a goal. Tough goal without the right software or hand coding to enable it -- but then those are old points in the dialogue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analmux Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 I'm sure this version 3 tune can be far better, even when using RMT. - Most of the notes are in the wrong key, so no really 'out of tune', just rescaling needed - Still: use RMT patch 8 to remove 'out of tune' distortion 2 and 12 at 1.79 MHz mode for high notes This is needed to correct the 'in tune' arpeggios. But the instrument sounds still get more and more interesting for this stage 3. Like I wrote already: I don't like this tune, mainly because it's more than 4 minutes. I'd like to take part for a new tune, but only 50 seconds at max. I don't have much time. So, again, let's find another SID or MOD tune to make a new try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted November 8, 2015 Author Share Posted November 8, 2015 Where's the problem with "out of key" exactly? Giving up "waiting for a better POKEY Tracker", I have no problem to see that as "POKEY style" at 15kHz. The arpeggios still could get better , if the notes were more clear and the manipulations more similar to the original. Really, keep in mind : The tune uses 15kHz . Have a look around , find something better. THERE IS NONE. And you find tunes that were more "out of tune" using 64kHz... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted November 8, 2015 Author Share Posted November 8, 2015 (edited) At least the 3 videos show how "much more flexible" the tone programming gets, using timing and offset programming.... if actually correct understood.... Edited November 8, 2015 by emkay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted November 8, 2015 Author Share Posted November 8, 2015 (edited) Like I wrote already: I don't like this tune, mainly because it's more than 4 minutes Things, you don't like to develop, you see more from a neutral point, so the result will be more without pink glasses RMT patch 8 could be a source for another thread. The arpeggios would really benefit using quick changes 15kHz/1.79MHz in tone precision. But what is the precision there? as that voice uses distorted waves and fast pitch changes aswell. The original tune is not really in tune and compensates that with the spreaded noise. Using the "timing and offset" programming would make it relatively easy to adjust the tune to a "most perfect" 3rd voice then. Edited November 8, 2015 by emkay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analmux Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 I changed my mind. The Original C64 tune sounds great. Here listen part 1: I'd like to have a try to start from the ground, doing my version. The MOD version on post 9 here, ported to RMT, sounds different. It was a global rescaling at least. @ emkay I don't get how you got different effects w.r.t. each instrument, talking about rescaling. If f.e. voice 1 and voice 2 got a different rescale w.r.t. each other, then it gets automatically dissonant. This is what I mean: it gets out of tune w.r.t. each other. Removing all the rescaling, then it won't be out of tune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted November 8, 2015 Author Share Posted November 8, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYgd5g-01X4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted November 8, 2015 Author Share Posted November 8, 2015 (edited) The original SID sounds have this "down pitch" at the end, and the sweeps sound like a dying cat, well, most pitch correct .... Edited November 8, 2015 by emkay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted November 8, 2015 Author Share Posted November 8, 2015 Or in other words: "referring to real music", "if a better "arpeggio line" had been set, the result will musically be better than the SID original. Possibly even SID can do better... but the rev. 8580 has it's causes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted November 9, 2015 Author Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) Here a "hybrid" version.. I post it here for some circuimstances... This time using Analmux's Patch 8 version or RMT, and play it through Altirra, because, SAP isn't supporting that... Things get closer Edited November 9, 2015 by emkay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted November 9, 2015 Author Share Posted November 9, 2015 Hmm... if one instrument gets closer, the whole tune can be adjusted "more together" . Btw.: The start is reproducable. Here two cancellings of the bass sound, then a flanger. @Analmux What is exactly instrument "4" now in RMT P8 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analmux Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) Nice to hear some progress. Also the chromatic scale has a far better approximation in case of the arpeggios. Now I heard that only the arpeggio notes must be corrected. And still all kinds of correct rescale is needed. @Analmux What is exactly instrument "4" now in RMT P8 ? http://atariage.com/forums/topic/235449-rmt-128-patch-8-programming It says that RMT distortion 4 is used for PoKey plain distortion 10, but at 1.79 MHz in both voice 1 and 3 to generate sawtooth or triangle. This scale is a bit restricted. More should be possible if the RMT tables was larger, but also the sawtooth / triangle table gets less quality. Edited November 9, 2015 by analmux Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analmux Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Anyway, sorry for all. I gave it a wrong name: "rescaling". All the time I mean "note transposition". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted November 10, 2015 Author Share Posted November 10, 2015 It says that RMT distortion 4 is used for PoKey plain distortion 10, but at 1.79 MHz in both voice 1 and 3 to generate sawtooth or triangle. Thanks for the explanation. The question is, why it also is useful in 15kHz mode with high notes, making it able to play tuned sounds while the "A" scale hits through the notes like a lightning through the forest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analmux Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Erhm ... RMT 128 Patch 8 is especially computed for 15 kHz mode. The sawtooth / triangle table is tuned into the 15 kHz table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted November 10, 2015 Author Share Posted November 10, 2015 Erhm ... RMT 128 Patch 8 is especially computed for 15 kHz mode. The sawtooth / triangle table is tuned into the 15 kHz table.So the original RMT is doing it ... cough.... very.. cough ... wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analmux Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 ? No, the Original RMT isn't doing wrong anything. Only: the Original RMT doesn't give the possibility to play 8-bit distortion 10 notes combined with distortion 10 high notes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted November 10, 2015 Author Share Posted November 10, 2015 If you have a closer look at instrument "9" , it builds a very good bridge between the start and the main "refrain". Well, it sounds a bit "nervous" , but it works better than every try of using the "A" table. Instrument "9" is that with pitch down at the end. It even resembles some places from the original... with that "pitch down". That's what makes me wonder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted November 16, 2015 Author Share Posted November 16, 2015 Another wasted sparetime Seems the arpeggio fits better now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted November 17, 2015 Author Share Posted November 17, 2015 And a version with an additional 1.79MHz instrument. Heck, I'd really like to create the 1st lead part with 16 Bit sounds.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted November 18, 2015 Author Share Posted November 18, 2015 For those who like progress, if even small A weeping version... at least a bit And some volume corrections... actually, this time, one has to load one RMT to adjust the 15kHz channels, and then switch to the patched version to check the 1.79MHz .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted November 19, 2015 Author Share Posted November 19, 2015 And a "somehow sweetened" version... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analmux Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Yes, it sounds some better now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARIO130XE Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 (edited) It gets better n better. one day .... maybe .... we will have a great ocean loader tune on lil atari. btw: have found one cool nerdcore remix, years ago. it's a cool mixing of instant remedy remixed ocean loader version and the vocals of mc chris's Falynn. I really like it. Edited November 20, 2015 by MARIO130XE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like us on Facebook
Follow us on Twitter
AtariAge on Instagram
Watch us on YouTube
Chat on Discord
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.