Shawn Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 LOL If cheap-ass repro stuff is what you want, be my guest. Try to collect these instead: http://www.atarimania.com/list_games_atari-2600-vcs-p_total-page-step-publisher_33-1-200-2037_2_G.html Highly collectible, genuine clamshell games. Or just go for the binaries and skip collecting the actual physical items all together! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 OK, forgive my ignorance, but are Atari repro carts a rare and valuable thing? I know you can get NES repro carts for about $50.00 new. Are Atari reproductions harder to make? On the contrary. Much easier to do Atari repros. This is why NES repros cost twice as much, $40-50 for NES instead of $20-25 for Atari. Atari PCBs contain a single ROM and very simple mapper hardware, if any. NES games typically contain two ROMs and highly sophisticated backswitch circuits. Secondly, there is no way to open most Atari carts without damaging the label. With NES, you can use a security bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7800fan Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 ^^ this. 2600 games can get away with just 1 EPROM chip and an inverter for any games up to 4k. Beyond that, one would need to use PAL or GAL to handle bankswitching but it is still crazy simple. NES uses odd design of having separate program and graphic chips plus over 150 different bankswitching design. Some of the simplier ones can be replicated either as original with off the shelf chips or with PAL or GAL chip. Later ones like MMC1 and up aren't found off the shelf and would require donor cart using the same design or FPGA to emulate the mappers. So it is more work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 1 Much easier to do Atari repros. 2 This is why NES repros cost twice as much, 3 $40-50 for NES instead of $20-25 for Atari. 4 Atari PCBs contain a single ROM and very simple mapper hardware, if any. 5 NES games typically contain two ROMs and highly sophisticated backswitch circuits. All incorrect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 All incorrect. Care to elaborate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Care to elaborate? Not really, perhaps someone else will though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mzeroxx69 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 WOW over $2000 now!!?? Insane!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg2600 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Why are people bidding on this? The seller has nicely explained how this thing is not a true original product, and yet people are bidding on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atari181 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Obvious shill bidding, the high bidder has zero feedback Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Innit Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Obvious shill bidding, the high bidder has zero feedback Worse than that, their feedback is actually set to private. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FUBARofPittsburgh Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 I could see a CIB repro going for maybe $150.00, But over $2,000? This is BS. I REALLY REALLY want Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Halloween CIB repros and the most I would shell out is maybe $75.00. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangasinan Posted November 27, 2015 Author Share Posted November 27, 2015 Why are people bidding on this? The seller has nicely explained how this thing is not a true original product, and yet people are bidding on it? Because they are not genuine bids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg2600 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Because they are not genuine bids. Which makes even less sense, who can waste their time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high voltage Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Atari VCS games , real or repro are of course, the most valuable in the world. First all the exposure with buried ETs, going for big bucks, and now, a repro Air Raid, acknowledged by Atari Age, is without a doubt, a sky high hit seller. Love it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Obvious shill bidding, the high bidder has zero feedback Worse than that, their feedback is actually set to private. How the heck do you set your feedback to private? Well a***h has 26 feedback, and it appears this person's maximum was $2000 AUD. Somebody desperate? A wise man once said, "A fool and their money are soon parted." Actually I'm kind of glad the 26 feedback bidder got outbid. I'd hate for a legit buyer to get scammed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icemanxp300 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 1 Much easier to do Atari repros. 2 This is why NES repros cost twice as much, 3 $40-50 for NES instead of $20-25 for Atari. 4 Atari PCBs contain a single ROM and very simple mapper hardware, if any. 5 NES games typically contain two ROMs and highly sophisticated backswitch circuits. All incorrect. Care to elaborate? Not really, perhaps someone else will though. LOL I can try and see what he is getting at. I don't make Atari repros but I'll guess. 1. Not easier just less time. Less time only being the soldering portion, the rest should be about the same time. 2. Twice as much would be dependent on what people charge. 3. Pricing varies. 4. I don't think any mapper would be considered simple, just some are more "compatible' with current chips than others, requiring nes rewiring based on the chips that are used. 5. I believe he disagrees with the backswitch circuits. Maybe you meant bank switching? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 LOL I can try and see what he is getting at. I don't make Atari repros but I'll guess. Close enough to get the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philflound Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 (edited) I've been thinking about business, both brick and mortar and online. I had a nice discussion with a member here for the past couple of days going back and forth. I thought about why all these clueless people on Ebay get reamed for putting up auctions on subjects they have no idea about. They don't come first to knowledgeable people. I can say I usually see one or two newbies come on to AA per week. Many have questions about their "finds" in a basement, attic, closet, or cousin Tony gave them the items. Most of these newbies post they have "so and so" items. Then the usual response from members on here is "show photos". Usually said newbie takes some photos and posts them and the members clarify all questions about items found. It's a learning process. Many times relative prices are given on what they should expect to be realized on the online market. Rosa went about things all wrong. Rosa did no research. Rosa put up an item for auction as genuine without no real basis to back it up. Rosa was called out on it. Rosa got pissed and started cursing and threatening many members including our host himself. Rosa got banned. Of course, Rosa could have been trying to scam all along, but if Rosa would have done her homework, this whole thread may have looked a lot different. Phil Edited November 28, 2015 by Philflound 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiddlepaddle Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Being uninformed, or even misinformed, is perfectly OK. I think even ebuyers can deal with that. But becoming hostile so quick to information that contradicts the narrative usually indicates duplicity, and most observers recognize that instinctually. "The lady doth protest too much, methinks" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schizophretard Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 I just had a random thought on this topic. A lot of if not most of the Atari carts that exist are bootleg pirate repro carts from the 80's. If they weren't made then but were made now they would be viewed the same as Hozer carts or other reproductions but since they were made 30ish years ago they are viewed as AUTHENTIC bootleg pirate repro carts. So, I'm wondering, in 30 years if someone comes across this fake Air Raid then will they be going all,"OMG! It is the legendary Rosa fake Air Raid! This isn't a repro but the real authentic one! It is a rarity 10! I found it in a shoe box with her name on it in the basement of a house I just bought! Doesn't that make it CIB?! Isn't this worth $30K+ ?!?!?!" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mzeroxx69 Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 (edited) I just had a random thought on this topic. A lot of if not most of the Atari carts that exist are bootleg pirate repro carts from the 80's. If they weren't made then but were made now they would be viewed the same as Hozer carts or other reproductions but since they were made 30ish years ago they are viewed as AUTHENTIC bootleg pirate repro carts. So, I'm wondering, in 30 years if someone comes across this fake Air Raid then will they be going all,"OMG! It is the legendary Rosa fake Air Raid! This isn't a repro but the real authentic one! It is a rarity 10! I found it in a shoe box with her name on it in the basement of a house I just bought! Doesn't that make it CIB?! Isn't this worth $30K+ ?!?!?!" Maybe it can become a art series for Rosa... Better yet "PERFORMANCE ART!!" She can setup a table for 2 in the middle of Time's Square or a Highway or something.. She can get Shia Leboeuf and his paper bag head to sit across from her. They can Take turns yelling "FAKE FAKE FAKE" at each other.. Laid out on the center of the table is her Masterpiece ..You guessed it right!! "PVC tube Air Raid in Cerulean Blue" Every one gets there 15 minutes of fame.. This should just die now its just going to unnecessarily jack up prices all around as Vultures swoop in smelling dollars... Edited November 28, 2015 by mzeroxx69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Seems like the fakes these days are worth even more than the real thing. I swear, if this keeps up, someday I'll be able to sell pyrite (fool's gold) on eBay for $1400 per ounce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoshiChiri Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Being uninformed, or even misinformed, is perfectly OK. I think even ebuyers can deal with that. But becoming hostile so quick to information that contradicts the narrative usually indicates duplicity, and most observers recognize that instinctually. "The lady doth protest too much, methinks" This excactly. I've worked retail many years, and when I'm teaching new hires to spot returns of stolen items, there's two key things I tell them to look for: 1) The sob story. No one just happened to buy two $50, unrelated items, then change their mind. It's always 'my recently deceased Aunt said told me before she died to return these to pay for my broken car because my ex wrecked it before she broke up with me and kicked my dog'. Or something like that. 2) The anger. Only thieves get really and truly angry. If they threaten to have you fired or arrested, you've got a crook for sure. Rosa is a textbook case. If she turned up where I work, we'd kick her out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FUBARofPittsburgh Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 I've been thinking about business, both brick and mortar and online. I had a nice discussion with a member here for the past couple of days going back and forth. I thought about why all these clueless people on Ebay get reamed for putting up auctions on subjects they have no idea about. They don't come first to knowledgeable people. I can say I usually see one or two newbies come on to AA per week. Many have questions about their "finds" in a basement, attic, closet, or cousin Tony gave them the items. Most of these newbies post they have "so and so" items. Then the usual response from members on here is "show photos". Usually said newbie takes some photos and posts them and the members clarify all questions about items found. It's a learning process. Many times relative prices are given on what they should expect to be realized on the online market. Rosa went about things all wrong. Rosa did no research. Rosa put up an item for auction as genuine without no real basis to back it up. Rosa was called out on it. Rosa got pissed and started cursing and threatening many members including our host himself. Rosa got banned. Of course, Rosa could have been trying to scam all along, but if Rosa would have done her homework, this whole thread may have looked a lot different. Phil The worst thing is, it will probably end up in the hands of a bandwagon collector who does not know any better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philflound Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Being uninformed, or even misinformed, is perfectly OK. I think even ebuyers can deal with that. But becoming hostile so quick to information that contradicts the narrative usually indicates duplicity, and most observers recognize that instinctually. "The lady doth protest too much, methinks" It's not the point. I just bought a few items in a store near me that's been around since 1975. Knick knacks and small toys and such. The items she's had for 40 years has not been marked up and usually contains a massive amount of dust. I bought a few of these pieces to resell on Ebay. I do research to try and find out as much about these items as possible, including value. Some of the items I can't find anything, and will guess at a price to start the auction. I usually will sell fixed price if there are others being sold since there is an established market for it already. Auction I use for unknown prices, but will put a minimum that I want for the item and possibly work down from there if the item doesn't sell. I do take into account that if I have enough information to do a search and the item does not come up anywhere in my search, then said item is probably rare. It doesn't mean it's extremely valuable, but there are none on the market and maybe my copy will establish a price by auctioning. If I don't have enough info, I don't go and start making up stuff about the item in the hopes to fool someone into believing it is something it is not. Rosa tried to pull that. Research is key and it's much easier now a days with the internet at your fingertips. Phil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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