0078265317 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/sony-slyly-enabled-ps2-backwards-compatibility-for-the-ps4-without-telling-anyone-1309320?utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_content=564e398504d30120ab2ec334&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhoenixMoonPatrol Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 How much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cimerians Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 The Star Wars games are out so some people knew about it, I made a comment about it here. I was impressed by the emulation for the SNES game so I think the quality will be really good. Three options: They will most likely be sold on the store as downloads like it is on the PS3 for $5-$10 bucks a game. They will be sold on the store as enhanced versions with upscaling/trophy support etc probably for a bit more money. They will be sold on the store (either of the above) plus the option to play the original disk. (Best scenario). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gemintronic Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Yeah. Article is rife with sheer conjecture. Sony is not likely to allow emulation like later PS3 models. More like a paltry selection of Sony blessed titles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leods Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 If they actaully let me Play all my PS2 discs I'll even think about buying a PS4. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mord Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Yeah. Article is rife with sheer conjecture. Sony is not likely to allow emulation like later PS3 models. More like a paltry selection of Sony blessed titles. Essentially, for all intents and purposes there isn't any backwards compatibility planned in the traditional sense where you'd be able to take your PS2 disc and pop it in and play it. This would explain why they didn't bother announcing it, if it's only purpose is to make it easier and cheaper for them to port old PS2 titles to their store for you to buy. ie: exactly like the later PS3 models. So I guess this means when PS2 titles start becoming available, expect them to have the occasional quirks and not play quite as nicely as they did on the PS2 - but expect to pay the same price as before or more. Wake me up when they announce that you can pop ps2 discs into the system and play them. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Unless it's actual disc emulation (which I highly doubt) then I don't care. Sounds like they're just going to sell virtual PS2 games like they did on the PS3. Looks like my PS2 isn't going into storage quite yet. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leods Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 The fact People would buy a digital game on PS4 for more Money than it would cost to buy the actual PS2 disk in box with Manual just blows my mind... But yeah. Probably gonna happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 The fact People would buy a digital game on PS4 for more Money than it would cost to buy the actual PS2 disk in box with Manual just blows my mind... But yeah. Probably gonna happen. Well for one thing the PS2 can't do HDMI (although it can do Component) so that might be an issue for people with newer TVs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xenomorpher Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 I just use a PS2 emulator on my PC. I can even use physical discs and not have to convert them into an image. Thought about getting that PS3 wireless controller adapter but my wired Xbox 360 controller works fine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atariboy Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Sony hasn't announced any details yet, so I'm still holding a glimmer of hope that this will include disc compatibility. Unless it's actual disc emulation (which I highly doubt) then I don't care. Sounds like they're just going to sell virtual PS2 games like they did on the PS3. Looks like my PS2 isn't going into storage quite yet. While no replacement for a PS2, this is at least much more interesting than what the PS3 saw thanks to the significant visual enhancements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercylon Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 (edited) I read somewhere that it may require Playstation Now even though it won't be from the cloud or that it will cost extra money in some form. If it is digital only, I hope it transfers from what I bought on the PS3. Who knows really. Like others have said, wake me up when you can just pop a disc in and play. Until then, I still have my PS2 and a working fat ps3. Edit How many subscribers are there for PS Now? I would have expected the really cheap way out and have these titles via that service, but maybe PS Now hasn't caught on as much as Sony would have liked so maybe they are cutting their loses and going digital for at least PS1 and PS2 titles. Edited November 21, 2015 by cybercylon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutsy Doodleheimer Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Actually have no interest in getting a PS4. Not sold on the library, PS2 games are far more better and a huge quality library, don't like constant system updates, and the DLC of PS2 games through the PS Now will cost much more than the actual disk. I'm keeping my PS1, PS2, and PS3 systems. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 MY kid still has a ton of ps2 games so if they allow the old discs that would be great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RARusk Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Well for one thing the PS2 can't do HDMI (although it can do Component) so that might be an issue for people with newer TVs. At least until somebody comes up with an HDMI board mod for it. NES, N64, and DreamCast already have them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godsey1 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 I will keep my 60gb PS3 until they have it to where it is disk based. If they don't do it that way, then I may have to become an Xbox one user. Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaxda Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 If it plays PS2 games, I will sell my PS2s and use the money toward a PS4. The games are great, but I'm not really in love with the console itself. I have a slim and fat, would be fine having a more modern machine for the classics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 If they enable the playback of physical PS2 discs, that might be enough to get me to buy a PS4. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atariboy Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Eurogamer had an article today about the significant boost in frame rates that they experienced with these compared to original hardware. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-ps2-emulation-on-ps4-performance-analysis If the stars align here and retail releases are supported and the library isn't locked to specific titles, this could be something very special and unprecedented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercylon Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 So how exactly are they going to add trophy support to games that were never designed for it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atariboy Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 (edited) The same way Activision Anthology for the PS2 knows when you've met the criteria to unlock a particular patch while leaving all original code untouched. They investigate how the game works to isolate criteria that can be used to make that determination with, and then actively monitor the game as it's being played to look for the occurrence of those selected triggers. For instance on many of those 2600 titles, they locate the scoring register and monitor that looking for a threshold score to be reached that corresponds with the criteria to earn a patch. For a PS2 title, perhaps it's a particular cut scene like the end credits being activated that they use as a trigger for a trophy for something like finishing the game. Edited November 21, 2015 by Atariboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesD Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 My PS2 burned but my games are all okay. If they supported disk games that would make me lean towards a PS4 if I get a next gen console. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cimerians Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 So how exactly are they going to add trophy support to games that were never designed for it? The same way Activision Anthology for the PS2 knows when you've met the criteria to unlock a particular patch while leaving all original code untouched. They investigate how the game works to isolate criteria that can be used to make that determination with, and then actively monitor the game as it's being played to look for the occurrence of those selected triggers. For instance on many of those 2600 titles, they locate the scoring register and monitor that looking for a threshold score to be reached that corresponds with the criteria to earn a patch. For a PS2 title, perhaps it's a particular cut scene like the end credits being activated that they use as a trigger for a trophy for something like finishing the game. As Atariboy mentioned, may have something in the code they look at as a trigger. Its probably fairly simple. In the SNES game, Super Star Wars they counted how many Jawa's I killed and gave me a trophy for killing 30 in one level. The emulation is pretty damn good with some upscaling and higher resolutions apparently. I think its pretty cool. I prefer just loading my own original discs without the extra stuff but if they dont give you the option to load the original disc I'll still be buying a few "enhanced" verisons since I'm a sucker for them (depending on the title). I've rebought Super Metroid and some other Nintendo games repeatedly cause that's just me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amiman99 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Physical support is a MUST, I don't want to pay for the game twice AND use up precious disk space on my PS4. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leods Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 My PS2 burned but my games are all okay. If they supported disk games that would make me lean towards a PS4 if I get a next gen console. It's really easy to find a ps2 in great condition for 50 bucks though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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