Lynxpro Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Incredibly cheesy, yes. This is like arguing that Space Invaders should have used a paddle controller. Time Pilot was designed and balanced around the player ship having a constant movement speed. Being able to scoot around the perimeter as fast as you like completely throws off the difficulty. I would actually like to play Space Invaders with a Paddle. And when I have a 5200 joystick modded to a Paddle, I'll definitely do so. Shame the 5200 version of the game is its own beast. According to [disclaimer] Wikipedia, the arcade original had 2 Z80s, a Motorola 6809, the Intel 8309 managing the audio chips, 5 AY-3-8910 chips and 1 DAC. That's pretty hardcore for a 1983 arcade game. The same programmer who created the game also create Time Pilot which is yet another game some fans would like to play with a spinner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZylonBane Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 I would actually like to play Space Invaders with a Paddle. And when I have a 5200 joystick modded to a Paddle, I'll definitely do so. Okay, we get it, you like to cheat at games by radically changing the control scheme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynxpro Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Okay, we get it, you like to cheat at games by radically changing the control scheme. No, I enjoy improving games by enabling the controllers that optimize the game play. I'm definitely not the only one who'd like to play Gyruss with a spinner or Space Invaders with a Paddle. I also enjoy playing 5200 Tempest & Galaxian with the Trak-Ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZylonBane Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 No, I enjoy improving games by enabling the controllers that optimize the game play. "Optimizing the gameplay" is meaningless nonsense. If you're enabling the player to move faster than the game was designed around, you're cheating, full stop. Don't try to weasel-word your way out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78001987 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 "Optimizing the gameplay" is meaningless nonsense. If you're enabling the player to move faster than the game was designed around, you're cheating, full stop. Don't try to weasel-word your way out of it. Playing the part of Roger Goodell in this evening's performance will be Zylonbane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynxpro Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) "Optimizing the gameplay" is meaningless nonsense. If you're enabling the player to move faster than the game was designed around, you're cheating, full stop. Don't try to weasel-word your way out of it. Who died and made you sheriff of classic gaming? Since native Trak-Ball mode wasn't included in 2600 or 7800 Centipede, is it cheating to hack them to support such controllers? Under your definition it is. Yet lots of fans want to have that controller enabled. Or enabling the Driving Controller for use with 2600 Asteroids. Or converting 5200 joysticks into Paddles to better enjoy Super Breakout, Pole Position, or Castle Crisis. I guess that makes Dan Kramer and Gary Rubio of the Atari Inc Consumer Engineering also cheats because they customized those controllers back in the day even though management deemed that Paddles shouldn't be released since the games were designed with the standard joysticks in mind. Good going there, Chachie. I don't need a spinner to kick ass on arcade Gyruss. Yet I'd still like to try it with one because the game is obviously influenced by Tempest which does use a spinner in the arcade. The same goes for the home ports. Edited December 2, 2015 by Lynxpro 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 From what i've read it's 4 at least. Two for the sound effects, one for purcussion, and one for Tocatta and Fugue in D minor. Release it in a custom extra tall custom 7800 cart with trackball support (X-axis or 360 selectable modes) 4 Hokey chips for Bach and TIA for sound effects! NES version used a wonky dpad configuration that ends up only moving the ship towards cardinal directions. Option B fixes this and uses only right and left to steer kind of Tempest style. Controls are backwards on top but clockwise/counterclockwise is far better than North/South/East/West. A trackball is essentially two spinners on perpendicular axes so it could simply ignore the Y axis inputs if programmed to utilize it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkMines Posted December 2, 2015 Author Share Posted December 2, 2015 NES version used a wonky dpad configuration that ends up only moving the ship towards cardinal directions. Isn't that how the joystick works in the arcade? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+GoldenWheels Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Here's a guy playing Gyruss arcade with the normal joystick… Listen to that music! Well it sounds punchier for sure. Hard for me to say as I'm at work on headphones vs at home in front of my NES. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEANJIMMY Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Gyruss for 7800 would be great and the support of native Trakball mode even more don't forget the PAL release... I played it in the arcade with the stick (at least I believe the cabinet had a stick) and on my C64 some months later but did it not like it that much as in arcade due to cheap joystick I could afford to buy at age of 14... but I remember the SID sound was great As many other games currently being hacked to support Trakball, this one could get difficulty fine tuning. Trakball control should feel right for this type of game but it would have to support joystick too, as many might want to stick with original control or do not own a Trakball (mouse control will fail on this game very badly). Anyway, no matter with what kind of control, it would be a great game for the 7800 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+FujiSkunk Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Please pardon the threadjack, but... By the way, the version of Toccata and Fuge in Dm they programmed sounds very much like this one: How have I not heard of this band before? This arrangement is awesome! And the drummer is a hoot. It's like he's thinking, "Gosh, I can actually play!" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stun Runner 87 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 If Gyruss was ported to the 7800 I would buy it. I wouldn't be too excited about it because I already have it on the 2600, 5200, ColecoVision and NES. I asked Bob if he would be interested in making a translation of Tazz-Mania which to my knowledge hasn't been ported to any system. It's a fun game and I know Bob would do a great job with it and people would love it. But, I also understand he's free to do whatever he pleases. If you're not familiar with Tazz-Mania, I do a game play of it in this video just skip ahead to the 48:13 mark https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBj3tTD-2xQ Reminds me of Robotron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PacManPlus Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Looks like a cross between Galaga and Tempest. I was never crazy about this game (although I do like both Galaga and Tempest separately) so I don't think I'll be tackling this - sorry guys 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gambler172 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Looks like a cross between Galaga and Tempest. I was never crazy about this game (although I do like both Galaga and Tempest separately) so I don't think I'll be tackling this - sorry guys You are right,my friend. There are better games than Gyruss greetings Walter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaynz Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 While I wouldn't mind Gyruss for the 7800, it's not a high-priority game for me to see, either. It doesn't really offer much more than other shooters and isn't one of those 'sorely missed' titles (like Gorf or Phoenix) from that genre. And it also doesn't fill any 'missing niches' like Defender or Missile Command. There are definitely a lot of other titles I would prefer to see ported over first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAC-MAN-RED Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 You are right,my friend. There are better games than Gyruss greetings Walter Hmmm.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unhuman Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 The joystick for the arcade was *NOT* 2-way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynxpro Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 The joystick for the arcade was *NOT* 2-way. Yes, I corrected myself later in the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynxpro Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Looks like a cross between Galaga and Tempest. I was never crazy about this game (although I do like both Galaga and Tempest separately) so I don't think I'll be tackling this - sorry guys So, you'll be tackling Tempest instead? That zombie game of yours looked really cool, btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAC-MAN-RED Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 So, you'll be tackling Tempest instead? That zombie game of yours looked really cool, btw. Gotta get back to those zombies right Bob? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PacManPlus Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) @Lynxpro - thank you Yeah... My 'unfinished' list has grown again: ReZolve Defender Dark Tower Ms. Pac-Man Twin (this unfortunately will stay this way until all of the game roms are dumped) Battlezone (although I think this one's going away) (Sorry for the thread derail) Edited December 3, 2015 by PacManPlus 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Zeptari Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 You forgot: Tempest, Tron Arcade and Star Wars Arcade. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkMines Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 Yeah... My 'unfinished' list has grown again: ReZolve Defender Dark Tower Ms. Pac-Man Twin (this unfortunately will stay this way until all of the game roms are dumped) Battlezone (although I think this one's going away) Defender and Battlezone for the 7800 sound great, although i'd prefer Gyruss myself. I'm looking forward to seeing what Battlezone looks like as it sounds as if it's in the finishing stages. On the topic of Gyruss, there are a couple other people that have programmed 7800 games (at least from what I can find in the AtariAge store) to completion. Maybe one of them would enjoy making a Gyruss port. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Isn't that how the joystick works in the arcade? I never played the arcade version so I assumed it used a spinner like tempest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 According to the MAME source, Gyruss has 5 PSGs and 1 SFX channel controlled by an 8039. Out of those, 2 PSG's are audible on the left and 2 on the right channel, with the 5th one going to both. And they definitely use more than 1 PSG for the music since 1 PSG has only 3 voices, but what's played clearly has more than 3 voices... I'd guess at least 6. By the way, the version of Toccata and Fuge in Dm they programmed sounds very much like this one: The EQ is very messed up in that video. Bass way too low, treble way too high. Nevermind. The soundcard on my laptop is gone... Here's a guy playing Gyruss arcade with the normal joystick… Listen to that music! Now watch this guy play Gyruss via MAME with a spinner controller for a comparison. He starts out playing Tempest but then switches to Gyruss [and later, Time Pilot]. It's incredible: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10fPGXbAjRM#t=63 Why does he just stop playing and suicide at the end? He had a nearly perfect game with no deaths... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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