Keatah Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Fail. Each game should have its own area. Something software emulators do better over multicarts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Loguidice Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Nope, I am working on an undisclosed project and have talked to the Factory that does Atgames Genesis console. Atgames Genesis has been emulator based for a while I think at least the last 3 versions. It is called Firecore, that is why they have "80" games which 40 are not even Genesis games. Sorry, that's just not true. I work directly with AtGames. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bretthorror Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Sorry, that's just not true. I work directly with AtGames. Well I have a game I'm making with RPG Maker if you wanna make them some real money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 As an aside, an anagram for Coleco Chameleon is: Eh... Lame Coco Clone. Cochleae MonocleCeca Echelon Loom Ceca Colleen Homo Ceca Colonel Home Ceca Monocle Hole Cochleae Clone Om Cochleae Colon Me Cochleae Colon Em Cochleae Loco Men Cochleae Cool Men Cochleae Con Mole Cochleae Coon Elm Cache Colleen Moo Cache Monocle Ole Chancel Come Oleo Cochlea Come Lone Cochlea Come Noel Cochlea Cone Mole Cochlea Once Mole Cochlea Eco Melon Cochlea Eco Lemon Coachmen Loco Eel Coachmen Loco Lee Coachmen Cool Eel Coachmen Cool Lee Comanche Loco Eel Comanche Loco Lee Comanche Cool Eel Comanche Cool Lee Cecal Echelon Moo Cecal Monocle Hoe Cecal Mooch Leone Cancel Chemo Oleo Conceal Leech Moo Conceal Chemo Ole Conceal Echo Mole Conceal Come Hole Conceal Mooch Eel Conceal Mooch Lee Conceal Loco Heme Conceal Cool Heme Mecca Colleen Oho Mecca Colleen Ooh Mecca Colonel Hoe Coach Monocle Eel Coach Monocle Lee Coach Colon Melee Coca Echelon Mole Coca Colleen Home Coca Colonel Heme Coca Monocle Heel Cocoa Leech Melon Cocoa Leech Lemon Cocoa Echelon Elm Cocoa Colleen Hem Ace Colleen Mooch Ace Chemo Colonel Chameleon Coco El Nacelle Coco Home Nacelle Chemo Coo Nacelle Come Coho Nacelle Eco Mooch Menace Coco Hello Menace Cello Coho Ache Colonel Come Each Colonel Come Leach Monocle Eco Lace Echo Monocle Locale Chemo Cone Locale Chemo Once Camel Cocoon Heel Camel Echelon Coo Came Echelon Loco Came Echelon Cool Came Colleen Coho Came Echo Colonel Acme Echelon Loco Acme Echelon Cool Acme Colleen Coho Acme Echo Colonel Mace Echelon Loco Mace Echelon Cool Mace Colleen Coho Mace Echo Colonel Cameo Clench Oleo Cameo Cloche Lone Cameo Cloche Noel Cameo Leech Colon Canoe Cloche Mole Canoe Chemo Cello Ocean Cloche Mole Ocean Chemo Cello Alcohol Emcee Con Mocha Colleen Eco Macho Colleen Eco Clonal Emcee Coho Coal Echelon Come Cola Echelon Come Monaco Cloche Eel Monaco Cloche Lee Coma Cloche Leone Coma Colleen Echo Enamel Cloche Coo Enema Cloche Loco Enema Cloche Cool Ahem Coco Colleen Lame Cocoon Leech Lame Coco Echelon Male Cocoon Leech Male Coco Echelon Meal Cocoon Leech Meal Coco Echelon Alone Cloche Come Hall Cocoon Emcee 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PikoInteractive Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 I always had on my understanding that firecore is emulator base. I even have emails from Atgames employees saying some of our games have problems on their emulator (I loled when they thought the way Duke Nuke processed sprites was a bug; I asked them to turn on a TV mode filter so the antialiasing would smooth the graphics. They told me their emulator doesnt have that) I am 100% sure it uses emulator. Another thing is it allows to load games through SD card, I doubt GOAC would allow to do any sort of software loading. Another thing is that the dinosaur game cart included in one version of the atgames genesis console wont work on regular genesis consoles nor clone consoles; meaning the games loaded (as well as the extra 40 mini games) are not made for Genesis but for whatever the console is built ln (very likely android). Dont know what you do for Atgames, but definately they are using an emulator. PD: Sorry for the bad formatting, Im on my phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akito01 Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 If there is one person I wouldn't argue with about hardware on here, it would be Bill. In fact (and I wish I could remember where I saw it) there was a teardown of the recent ATgames Genesis unit that revealed the exact GOAC within it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PikoInteractive Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 I just went through my emails and the lady mentioned "our emulator" a couple of times so thats what Im going by. I might be completely wrong or a mixture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenixdownita Posted February 4, 2016 Author Share Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) Sorry, that's just not true. I work directly with AtGames. I just went through my emails and the lady mentioned "our emulator" a couple of times so thats what Im going by. I might be completely wrong or a mixture. ....[deleted ]..... EDIT: nevermind http://atariage.com/...-2#entry2829314 Edited February 4, 2016 by phoenixdownita 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenixdownita Posted February 4, 2016 Author Share Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) [deleted as pointless] Edited February 4, 2016 by phoenixdownita Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Cochleae Monocle Ceca Echelon Loom Ceca Colleen Homo Ceca Colonel Home Ceca Monocle Hole Cochleae Clone Om Cochleae Colon Me Cochleae Colon Em Cochleae Loco Men Cochleae Cool Men Cochleae Con Mole Cochleae Coon Elm Cache Colleen Moo Cache Monocle Ole Chancel Come Oleo Cochlea Come Lone Cochlea Come Noel Cochlea Cone Mole Cochlea Once Mole Cochlea Eco Melon Cochlea Eco Lemon Coachmen Loco Eel Coachmen Loco Lee Coachmen Cool Eel Coachmen Cool Lee Comanche Loco Eel Comanche Loco Lee Comanche Cool Eel Comanche Cool Lee Cecal Echelon Moo Cecal Monocle Hoe Cecal Mooch Leone Cancel Chemo Oleo Conceal Leech Moo Conceal Chemo Ole Conceal Echo Mole Conceal Come Hole Conceal Mooch Eel Conceal Mooch Lee Conceal Loco Heme Conceal Cool Heme Mecca Colleen Oho Mecca Colleen Ooh Mecca Colonel Hoe Coach Monocle Eel Coach Monocle Lee Coach Colon Melee Coca Echelon Mole Coca Colleen Home Coca Colonel Heme Coca Monocle Heel Cocoa Leech Melon Cocoa Leech Lemon Cocoa Echelon Elm Cocoa Colleen Hem Ace Colleen Mooch Ace Chemo Colonel Chameleon Coco El Nacelle Coco Home Nacelle Chemo Coo Nacelle Come Coho Nacelle Eco Mooch Menace Coco Hello Menace Cello Coho Ache Colonel Come Each Colonel Come Leach Monocle Eco Lace Echo Monocle Locale Chemo Cone Locale Chemo Once Camel Cocoon Heel Camel Echelon Coo Came Echelon Loco Came Echelon Cool Came Colleen Coho Came Echo Colonel Acme Echelon Loco Acme Echelon Cool Acme Colleen Coho Acme Echo Colonel Mace Echelon Loco Mace Echelon Cool Mace Colleen Coho Mace Echo Colonel Cameo Clench Oleo Cameo Cloche Lone Cameo Cloche Noel Cameo Leech Colon Canoe Cloche Mole Canoe Chemo Cello Ocean Cloche Mole Ocean Chemo Cello Alcohol Emcee Con Mocha Colleen Eco Macho Colleen Eco Clonal Emcee Coho Coal Echelon Come Cola Echelon Come Monaco Cloche Eel Monaco Cloche Lee Coma Cloche Leone Coma Colleen Echo Enamel Cloche Coo Enema Cloche Loco Enema Cloche Cool Ahem Coco Colleen Lame Cocoon Leech Lame Coco Echelon Male Cocoon Leech Male Coco Echelon Meal Cocoon Leech Meal Coco Echelon Alone Cloche Come Hall Cocoon Emcee I'll go with Lame Cocoon Leech. Except Leeches don't make cocoons; butterflies do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 I'm personally hoping the Coleco Chameleon will help push emulation to the forefront and make it the premier way for the masses to enjoy the classics. It's brand new hardware fresh from a factory. And, there isn't enough vintage hardware to cover everyone. Not at the rate at which it is starting to fail. Even though the repairs are simple PM like reseating chips, cleaning switches replacing basic capacitors. Do you think today's "new gamer" has the basic knowledge to fix them properly for the long term? No. However it's too bad the emulation in these new AIO, repro consoles, and handhelds game-in-a-joystick is cheap china crap. On the other hand, how would a first time player know the emulation is in error? Who's to say it is or isn't meant to be the (new) way a game is presented? Maybe the CC will start to get things right for a change! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+5-11under Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Maybe the CC will start to get things right for a change! Retroland is in sight! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Well somebody's gotta populate the island, if it isn't old gamers, then it'll be the new ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bretthorror Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Where do I sign up to get Coleco Chameleon stamped on my ass, man? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj_convoy Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Toy Fair, obv. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 I'm going with you! I never had that done before.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toiletunes Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Where do I sign up to get Coleco Chameleon stamped on my ass, man? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Loguidice Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 To wrap up the AtGames Sega Genesis product discussion tangent, I queried my contacts at AtGames directly (I deal directly with ownership/management, who is relaying this information from the engineers). RK2 is not an emulation chip. It is a slightly extended clone of the original Genesis hardware. It has no emulation layer either. Just real Genesis hardware, with some modifications. It's those modifications that allow it to run the 40 non-Genesis "bonus" games. It's actually only until recently that I even knew that they weren't some knock-off Genesis games (it never occurred to me to ask!). Someone suggested that they weren't, so I asked about it, and indeed, they're not, so they can't run on real Genesis hardware like that person suggested (forgive me for not remembering that person's name in the other thread). In any case, the two pairs of 2016 AtGames Atari and Sega products should make people happier than usual with their stuff. I can't wait to reveal what they are (although someone usually spots a Toys R Us listing before then), particularly the one thing on the Atari side that fans have been clamoring for for quite some time and I finally got them to see the potential value in. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 (edited) You know what'd be cool - a mini 5200. The machine looks nice no matter what size it comes in. With today's SOCs running at a billion GHz and costing pennies on the dollar, power and finance should be no issue. As a matter of fact. AtGames should re-release all the classic consoles, one by one, every 6 months put one out. And just by "accident" make it easily modded to accept SD "cartridges". Give the modders something to look forward to. You'd have the equivalent of a multi-cart that hooks itself to the TV set. All you'd need is composite a/v out or just even HDMI alone. The circuitry would be optimized for modern display devices and you wouldn't have to fight with rickety barge-like CRTs. And since these are small you could store several them in a desk drawer. Make the feature set consistent across all consoles. Make the packaging consistent. Cover all the 8-bit consoles. Collect them all! I'm sure this series would stomp all over Chameleon - because for the cost of two Chameleon carts you'd have a classic console replica/replacement. And a whole new generation of classic game enthusiasts would be born. Hell you could even somehow make small low-capacity micro-sized blank carts. The user flashes his/her own library (or individual game). A 3rd party could come up with a series of downloadable and printable labels (or pre-made stickies) to stick on them. Make the template available free to print your own on sticky-paper. And you use an Exacto to cut and trim along the barely-visible grey outline so thoughtfully provided. When they develop actiplaque years later, you make a new one. If the Flash memory goes bad, you re-do it or get a new one. Mini 3-ring notebooks with custom slots to hold them all! Gold trim accents of course. And you could store your entire cartridge collection in same drawer as the main units. A whole new breed of collectards can come of it. I can see this now as clear as day.. Edited February 5, 2016 by Keatah 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 ...particularly the one thing on the Atari side that fans have been clamoring for for quite some time and I finally got them to see the potential value in. Handheld. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 No need for handhelds when you have smartphones. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StopDrop&Retro Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 particularly the one thing on the Atari side that fans have been clamoring for for quite some time and I finally got them to see the potential value in. Original cart support!!! If it's something dumb like RF out, we're gonna hang you buy your toes 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nathan Strum Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 (edited) The big problem I see with the Chameleon (as an actual product - not bearing in mind it's checkered history to date), is that I can't imagine it being any more than a nostalgia "toy" console, like a Flashback. The reasons the Flashbacks sell, are because they're 1) cheap and 2) self-contained. They're impulse-buy items. Someone walks through a store, sees a familiar game system from their youth, sees the cheap price tag, and all of the built-in games, and thinks, "why not?" Takes it home, plugs it in, plays it for awhile for some nostalgia kicks, and a few months later it ends up in a closet. They're disposable. But with the Chameleon, being a higher-priced, cartridge-based version of that, I can't see the appeal. Imagine the same customer seeing the Chameleon - probably three or four times the price of a Flashback, with a small handful of cartridges of completely unknown or obscure "not-so-greatest hits" titles that you have to buy separately for maybe another $20 a pop - they'd just shrug and walk on by. And stores aren't going to want to stock cartridges for a nostalgia "toy" console. Just not going to happen. The first question every toy retailer would ask would be, "how come they can't just download games for it?" Nobody wants unsold stock sitting on their shelves, and none of the games in their launch line-up are going to grab the casual shopper's attention, especially since most of them will be on a Flashback sitting a couple of shelves over for a lot less money. Edited February 5, 2016 by Nathan Strum 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marksball Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 I have put together resource pages for all of the upcoming launch titles. Check them out for a blast from the past! Game play videos and more. http://www.nintendoloveaffair.com/2016/01/coleco-chameleon-launch-titles-unveiled.html http://www.nintendoloveaffair.com/2016/01/coleco-chameleon-launch-titles-unveiled.html Not sure the RVGS guys literally intended the video to showcase the offering but hey The complete list of 8-bit launch titles includes:Choplifter - ColecovisionFrenzy - ColecovisionJumpman Junior - ColecovisionVenture - ColecovisionPepper II - ColecovisionMontezuma's Revenge - ColecovisionGateway to Apshai - ColecovisionArmor Battle - IntellivisionAstrosmash - IntellivisionFrog Bog - IntellivisionShark! Shark! - IntellivisionSpace Armada - IntellivisonB-17 Bomber - IntellivisionNight Stalker - IntellivisionThin Ice - IntellivisionThunder Castle - IntellivisionTower of Doom - IntellivisionUtopia - Intellivision16-bit offerings include (no systems mentioned):Dorke and YmpLegendIron Commando: Koutetsu No SenshiJim Power: The Lost DimensionBattle Brave SagaSydney Hunter: The Cavers of DeathApocalypse IIWater Margin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Totally agree with the "have" to purchase cartridges as a downside. Compared to all-in-one "fixed" memory: Cartridges are annoying. Cartridges need separate SKU numbers at retailers. Cartridges are prone to getting lost. Cartridges are added expenses for the consumer. Cartridges can develop connector problems. You see, back in the day things moved slower and there was less stuff. So people wanted to take the time and collect and build up a library. Cartridges were a new thing. Cartridges represented freedom from the the typical 6-game Pong consoles and TV Scoreboards. Cartridges represented and open future to explore. Because of that we embraced the medium. Engineers also liked carts, too. At least I think they did. I would have. Engineers had to work within tech limitations. And the one specific limitation which kickstarted the cartridge revolution was was memory cost vs density. Cartridges allowed tiny expensive memory chips to be swapped in and out in a safe manner. Thus expanding the system seemingly forever. Thankfully this is no longer the situation in 2016. An AtGames console is like a Pong console, but it has modern semiconductors and high-density memory. So you can have a closed cartridge-less Pong console with 100 games. In fact, you could have thousands of games from many systems in one tiny Flashback style unit. Whatever they want to produce. Cartridges back in the day were a convenience and an enabler. Today they are a burden because other technology has matured to the point we no longer need them. So you see - there is little need for cartridges today. Let alone a whole brand new system. Not in this low-end door-prize market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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