G-type Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Yea, I don't agree with all this "guilty by association" chatter. I think its pretty easy to see the associated software developers could be led to believe that this was a legitimate enterprise. Demanding for their apologies is ridiculous. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekRumpler Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I think Gamester81 needs to do the same thing. Apologize and pull all "support" (like Sydney Hunter is really gonna appear on a capture card)... this whole debacle makes CollectorVision look bad. I won't even support the SNES/Genesis versions of this game if John Lester continues to promote and defend Mike Kennedy. I'm hoping he is deceived since Gamester81 is one of my favorite YouTube channels. He seems like the type to do the right thing (although given this thread, who even knows if you can trust anyone anymore). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekRumpler Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Aware me on this. I haven't seen where CollectorVision was rushing to the defense of this project. I may have missed something but from what I did see they seemed pretty neutral. Nope. Coleco Holdings is also lying (or they are unwillingly deceived). https://twitter.com/colecovision_/status/700438168353509376 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thierry Henry Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I think Gamester81 needs to do the same thing. Apologize and pull all "support" (like Sydney Hunter is really gonna appear on a capture card)... this whole debacle makes CollectorVision look bad. I won't even support the SNES/Genesis versions of this game if John Lester continues to promote and defend Mike Kennedy. Not this particular incarnation of the project, but I seem to recall a podcast (not sure if it's still up) where he (Gamester) and a couple of his pals (Pete Dorr, etc) were going on and on about how Mike was being treated very harshly (especially by the folks on Atari Age) and that to them (Gamester, etc) it seemed that people wanted this project to fail even before it had the chance to really get off the ground. As I recall, they sure seemed intent on belaboring that point. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekRumpler Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Maybe it is real, but we cannot see it? Its a Chameleon after all! As I said on Twitter, it is the Chameleon because it can morph into any needed device, duh. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galax Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Yea, I don't agree with all this "guilty by association" chatter. I think its pretty easy to see the associated software developers could be led to believe that this was a legitimate enterprise. Demanding for their apologies is ridiculous. It will be quite interesting to hear their side of the story. Maybe other people have been put on the phone with Mike's mysterious team of hardware gurus to convince them that there is development going on? If a person who you like and trust gives you his word that he has a real product and is not lying, it puts you in a difficult position- to either side with him and maintain the friendship or call him out and sever all ties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercylon Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I'll just leave this here... I am not caught up with posts, but my family room had a pile of old computer stuff like that. Too bad I didn't keep it and I don't have a clear jaguar shell. I could have made all sorts of prototypes by now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galax Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I especially hated the Jaguar case and the carts, called them a "poisoned chalice" if I recall. Manufacturing the Jag case is literally the only thing Mike has actually achieved in the last year. Take that away and he's only left with plagiarized electronics, black tape, and a 5mm through-hole power LED. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupanIII Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Collectorvision 11 hrs · Regarding the Coleco Chameleon system: We have remained quiet overall regarding this system, and there has been plenty of excitement as well as drama surrounding it. We have been in talks with their team about porting some of our games over to the Chameleon, but we are not a part of the development team behind this project. We anticipate seeing a video of a working prototype of the system running what they advertise soon, but until then, we will continue to focus on creating and porting our games to other platforms. We're not affiliated or endorsed by the Coleco Chameleon, and we're not going to release our games for the Chameleon, until we have a working prototype in our hands. That came out last night when the entire debacle exploded. lol. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newsdee Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Now I'm wondering what will be next. "Tomorrow in Retro Land..." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj_convoy Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 That came out last night when the entire debacle exploded. lol. They've definitely remained quiet: Quote Jean-François Dupuis: No matter what people says, the Chameleon is REAL! Once you'll see their Kickstarter, you'll change your mindThe Chameleon is a whole lot different than what the RetroVGS wasNow, need proofs? Be patient, you'll soon have it Quote Jean-François Dupuis: Let's just say this..... I know what tons of people wants to know Thing is I'm under NDA , so I just can't reveal anythingYou'll probably all get your answers this week 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupanIII Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 (edited) sorry, the site wasn't loading. my last post did make it, yay Edited March 1, 2016 by RupanIII Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybird3rd Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Yea, I don't agree with all this "guilty by association" chatter. I think its pretty easy to see the associated software developers could be led to believe that this was a legitimate enterprise. Demanding for their apologies is ridiculous. I can understand being honestly fooled; after all, if you're a developer of indie games and someone comes to you expressing interest in licensing your games for a new platform, I think most of us would probably be willing to explore the prospect and to take the person at their word until or unless we were given a good reason not to. I think this is what happened with groups like Piko Interactive and Intellivision Productions, so as far as I can tell, they've done nothing wrong. What I don't understand is digging in and insisting that the new platform is real and that the critics are wrong to question it, even after being presented with compelling evidence to the contrary, all while hiding behind an NDA. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittybot Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Aware me on this. I haven't seen where CollectorVision was rushing to the defense of this project. I may have missed something but from what I did see they seemed pretty neutral. In conversations on FB John Lester defended them, saying that people are speculating, to trust him and that everything will be revealed on KS... blah, blah, blah. I enjoy his channel and sincerely feel that he has been a victim of this con as well. Just the fact that the Coleco Chameleon logo is on ads for his upcoming game could be damaging to his brand. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+GoldenWheels Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Reading the last 5 pages only makes me wish I had been following this more closely all along. What a debacle. There's at least one lesson to be learned I guess...don't use transparent shells on "prototypes" that are full of ..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnarlynick Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I wonder how many collectible colors the capture card PCB will be available in.... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenixdownita Posted March 1, 2016 Author Share Posted March 1, 2016 (edited) ... There's at least one lesson to be learned I guess...don't use transparent shells on "prototypes" that are full of ..... No no, the lesson is "Don't say you have a prototype when you have NONE, especially not THREE FUXXING TIMES IN A ROW" I really want to hear the "mouthpiece". BTW I agree that Piko should not be guilty by association but the rest of their team: Steve Woita, Paul Wylie, Phil Adam, Ben Herman, Steven J. Rosenbaum are all guilty until proven innocent. I don't care if you are friend with one of them and they are "wonderful" people, their not addressing the issue at all is guilty. I don't even care what stance they would have taken: defend or come-out, either way it would have shown they are at least aware of what is going on and they either drink the kool-aid or they don't. Their silence makes me believe they are useless puppets. As such guilty of being useless. Edited March 1, 2016 by phoenixdownita 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillyman Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 After the PC card picture in the translucent Jag case, I will not be supporting anything that has Mikes name attached to it. This is beyond unacceptable. Once my personal subscription to RETRO runs out, I will not be renewing. I have also removed the RETRO magazine subscribe link from the front page of Retromags.com (where it has been for over a year). Mike is also no longer welcome to promote any of his products over at RM. The money earmarked for the Coleco Chameleon, was redistributed to Sinclair ZX Spectrum Vega Plus, which is not crammed into an Atari Lynx shell and has over 1,000 licensed games on board. 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raticon Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 So both Piko and Collectorvision are prepared to develop/port games for the console if it become a success? Since these two are the only developers that had had games announced previously besides the CV and Inty compilations what exactly will make this console a success if all devs are waiting for it to become a success before developing for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenixdownita Posted March 1, 2016 Author Share Posted March 1, 2016 So both Piko and Collectorvision are prepared to develop/port games for the console if it become a success? Since these two are the only developers that had had games announced previously besides the CV and Inty compilations what exactly will make this console a success if all devs are waiting for it to become a success before developing for it? Don't worry, there's no console. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+GoldenWheels Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 No no, the lesson is "Don't say you have a prototype when you have NONE, especially not THREE FUXXING TIMES IN A ROW" understood, but in my experience you can't teach dishonest people to be honest. Baby steps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaysWithWolves Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Gamester81 has shilled for RVGS & Chameleon and since deleted the relevant YouTube videos. Collectorvision was hand-in-hand with RVGS, as one of their titles (The Adventures of Tiny Knight) was to be the RVGS bundled game and RVGS-exclusive for something like six months or a year after release. I wrote a synopsis of some of his RVGS shilling and calling AtariAge members "toxic" in a single podcast alone. If you follow the links, that podcast still can be heard(~1:26:xx). Judge for yourself. While he was certainly more cautious this time around, I think you guys may be letting him off easy when he doesn't deserve it. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+5-11under Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Yep, that's why I finally jumped in and subscribed, as my way of saying thanks to Albert for providing such a great resource: http://atariage.com/forums/page/subscriptions- I can't imagine how much bandwidth I've used in the last few months just hitting reload when this thread catches fire. Ditto. Immense fun for pennies an hour. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+GoldenWheels Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Gamester81 has shilled.... I, for one, am shocked. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janus Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Why is it no one slammed Xbox when they added DVR to their xbox one? Just wait until the Chameleon comes out - then you can pass judgement. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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