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Game Of The Year 2015


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Game of the Year 2015  

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  1. 1. What is your choice for Game of the Year 2015?

    • Boulder Dash
      17
    • Ms. Pac-Man
      53
    • Takeover
      1
    • Copter Command
      5
    • Brickout
      0
    • Flapee Bird
      1
    • Princess Quest
      16
    • Piggy Bank
      55
    • Number Jumble
      0
    • Game Factory
      0

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Oh I didn't mean voting on three occasions, like in a run off scenario, just vote for 1st, 2nd and 3rd with 5 points, 3 points and 1 point assigned to their votes.

It would be a variation of what is called:

Borda Count

 

One of the many flavors of voting/surveying and I suspect it would produce a radically different 1,2,3 place result.

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What exactly is a run-off vote, anyway? Was this term clearly DEFINED anywhere in this thread when it was introduced?

 

There's a number of different kinds of runoff voting. It's sometimes used in political arenas. One way, for example, is if there are 3 candidates, at 45%, 40%, and 15% of the vote respectively, they vote again, but only for the top 2 candidates. Then those who voted for the 3rd place candidate still get to help pick from the top 2 - and then the winner always gets more than 50%, which is great for political reasons. ;)

 

Edit: it's not directly related to this thread or its creator. Polls are free.

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More than one vote? This is beginning to sound like the "Everyone Gets a Trophy" type of competition. Never agreed with everyone gets a trophy, it is part of what is wrong in the world today.

 

There is one winner. Even second place is a loser.

so even though a game that should truly get third place gets no votes and the programmer/ publisher decides to no longer produce games? How about all the others? Are you okay with losing game programmers and publishers? Cause i sure as hell dont want to lose any? You may not care because you are partial to elektronite, but im sure others would agree with me. I agree with the 1-3-5 point system mentioned here.
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There's a number of different kinds of runoff voting. It's sometimes used in political arenas. One way, for example, is if there are 3 candidates, at 45%, 40%, and 15% of the vote respectively, they vote again, but only for the top 2 candidates. Then those who voted for the 3rd place candidate still get to help pick from the top 2 - and then the winner always gets more than 50%, which is great for political reasons. ;)

 

Edit: it's not directly related to this thread or its creator. Polls are free.

 

Thanks, I never heard of it before.

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It would be a variation of what is called:

Borda Count

 

One of the many flavors of voting/surveying and I suspect it would produce a radically different 1,2,3 place result.

Yah I just like to dig deeper on this stuff and I think it would give us a true breakdown of the order. For example maybe someone was down to Piggy vs BD as their two favourites vs someone else might have been deciding between PQ and Ms P. The most popular game would still be chosen but it would get there based on a mix of 1st, 2nd and 3rd place votes. It allows folks to declare not just their favourites but also their order of preference which I think is interesting. My 2 cents.

 

Maybe next year....actually, hell, at the rate games will be coming out in 2016, we may need to do this quarterly ;)

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Yah I just like to dig deeper on this stuff and I think it would give us a true breakdown of the order. For example maybe someone was down to Piggy vs BD as their two favourites vs someone else might have been deciding between PQ and Ms P. The most popular game would still be chosen but it would get there based on a mix of 1st, 2nd and 3rd place votes. It allows folks to declare not just their favourites but also their order of preference which I think is interesting. My 2 cents.

Maybe next year....actually, hell, at the rate games will be coming out in 2016, we may need to do this quarterly ;)

Next year will probably need a couple of categories:

Best Original

Best Port

 

And maybe Best Overall

But I wouldn't use the poll feature of this forum software as it is, maybe the next version of the board that Albert is threatening to upgrade to will provide more functionality to be more in line with established voting methodologies.

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Next year will probably need a couple of categories:

Best Original

Best Port

 

And maybe Best Overall

But I wouldn't use the poll feature of this forum software as it is, maybe the next version of the board that Albert is threatening to upgrade to will provide more functionality to be more in line with established voting methodologies.

Good points.

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We need a new poll to determine what kind of poll to use.

Lol! Maybe Rev can create seven different pre announcement threads and then we can run a complicated contest involving a certain number of posts all to determine what sort of poll we should have. :)

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so even though a game that should truly get third place gets no votes and the programmer/ publisher decides to no longer produce games? How about all the others? Are you okay with losing game programmers and publishers? Cause i sure as hell dont want to lose any? You may not care because you are partial to elektronite, but im sure others would agree with me. I agree with the 1-3-5 point system mentioned here.

 

Is that really an actual problem? Are we in danger of someone not making games in retaliation for not getting voted "Game Of The Year"? That would be a sad state of affairs.

 

I tend to agree with SoulBuster's comments above regarding the trend of everybody getting awarded a trophy for merely trying. In my opinion, the point of something like "Game Of The Year" is to celebrate excellency and point out a game from amongst its peers as the best, which is a great honour bestowed from the community, and therefore very special.

 

I would not expect it to be merely to stroke publisher's or programmer's egos in order to validate their efforts and increase their self-esteem. If you think that's important and necessary, then I encourage everyone to write fan mail to their favourite programmer or publisher. Let's reserve a "Game Of The Year" for truly special and exceptional cases.

 

-dZ.

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I am no programmer and so I can't tell of my thoughts are true or not, but I think if I would be a programmer I would be happy to see people playing my games. To be honest, when I read posts after a game was shipped most content is like "box looks awesome" "beautyful for my shelf". A handful says "playing it this weekend" or something like that and even fewer are acually from people who played it already. So if you want programmers (not publishers, they may have different goals then programmers) to be happy play there games, write about what you like and even what you do not like.

 

That said, I also noticed that some people can't deal with criticicm. That is sad, but not my problem.

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Is that really an actual problem? Are we in danger of someone not making games in retaliation for not getting voted "Game Of The Year"? That would be a sad state of affairs.

 

I tend to agree with SoulBuster's comments above regarding the trend of everybody getting awarded a trophy for merely trying. In my opinion, the point of something like "Game Of The Year" is to celebrate excellency and point out a game from amongst its peers as the best, which is a great honour bestowed from the community, and therefore very special.

 

I would not expect it to be merely to stroke publisher's or programmer's egos in order to validate their efforts and increase their self-esteem. If you think that's important and necessary, then I encourage everyone to write fan mail to their favourite programmer or publisher. Let's reserve a "Game Of The Year" for truly special and exceptional cases.

 

-dZ.

ive seen programmers quit for less. I agreed with the 1,3,5 method which is a much farer method of judging. Its not giving everyone a trophy but it ranks games where they should be.
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5-3-1 is a very common method in voting practices, ranking the games (in this case) first, second, and third. It allows for a more accurate representation of what games are the most favorite, or best.

 

If half the people voted for Ms PacMan as #1 and half voted for Piggy Bank as #1 but EVERYONE voted Princess Quest as their second favorite, then we know that Princess Quest is held in high esteem by ALL voters, and it would win, even without any first place votes...

 

Assuming there are 20 voters:

 

Ms Pac Man: 50 points (10 #1 votes)

Piggy Bank: 50 points (10 #1 votes)

Princess Quest: 60 points (20 #2 votes)

 

 

The above is a highly unlikely scenario because it assumes that none of the three games received ANY third place votes and that ALL voters picked Princess Quest as #2, but you can see how it is less of a 1 vs 2 voting method.

 

I personally voted for Copter Command because it is the only one I have played on my real Intv. But playing others in enulation and watching videos, I would have had Piggy Bank probably at #3 and Princess Quest at #2. Nothing against Ms Pac Man, but for me, I had to vote for Copter Command because I own it and have played it on my console... The other two are very original and unique games, where Ms Pac Man is a straight up port... Which is brilliantly done.

 

 

Just my $.02. All these games are excellent.

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5-3-1 is a very common method in voting practices, ranking the games (in this case) first, second, and third. It allows for a more accurate representation of what games are the most favorite, or best.

 

If half the people voted for Ms PacMan as #1 and half voted for Piggy Bank as #1 but EVERYONE voted Princess Quest as their second favorite, then we know that Princess Quest is held in high esteem by ALL voters, and it would win, even without any first place votes...

 

Assuming there are 20 voters:

 

Ms Pac Man: 50 points (10 #1 votes)

Piggy Bank: 50 points (10 #1 votes)

Princess Quest: 60 points (20 #2 votes)

 

 

The above is a highly unlikely scenario because it assumes that none of the three games received ANY third place votes and that ALL voters picked Princess Quest as #2, but you can see how it is less of a 1 vs 2 voting method.

 

I personally voted for Copter Command because it is the only one I have played on my real Intv. But playing others in enulation and watching videos, I would have had Piggy Bank probably at #3 and Princess Quest at #2. Nothing against Ms Pac Man, but for me, I had to vote for Copter Command because I own it and have played it on my console... The other two are very original and unique games, where Ms Pac Man is a straight up port... Which is brilliantly done.

 

 

Just my $.02. All these games are excellent.

Still sounds like awarding a ribbon to everybody. I say "Game Of The Year" is a single title, winner takes all the glory.

 

It's not to discover which games the community likes best, or to show appreciation to all producers and developers; but to identify which of all games released in a year, was the best one of all, and honour it with praise.

 

There shouldn't be a second or third place. It should be "Game Of The Year" and that's it, otherwise, it dilutes the honour (which I guess could be a motivation for some).

 

dZ.

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I see your point, but I tend to look at it differently. There really IS only one winner, this method is just a different way to get to that number. Regardless of whether you do it this way or the current way, there will still be a second and third place game... The only thing the 5-3-1 method does is attempt to garner a more accurate representation of the true sentiment of the voters.

 

There are solid arguments both ways though...

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Still sounds like awarding a ribbon to everybody. I say "Game Of The Year" is a single title, winner takes all the glory.

 

It's not to discover which games the community likes best, or to show appreciation to all producers and developers; but to identify which of all games released in a year, was the best one of all, and honour it with praise.

 

There shouldn't be a second or third place. It should be "Game Of The Year" and that's it, otherwise, it dilutes the honour (which I guess could be a motivation for some).

 

dZ.

 

Agreed. GAME of the year. Not games, not lists, not "I also like a lot"s..... name your game of the year, and tally up the winner.

 

Next.

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Under 5-3-1 point or 3 choice ranked voting, the actual voting wouldn't be displayed real time, and only the single winner needs to be announced, 2nd and 3rd wouldn't need to be.

The effects of people voting for games they have never played, people with low or no post counts or other irregularities possible in the current poll would be less.

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It can and does alter the outcome in some cases because it really gives a different representation of sentiment.

And I guess that's the point: if you force people to make a single choice, to actually focus and think of a single one, their criteria will change to be more critical since there is less leeway for vacillation.

 

At least that's how it typically plays out. Giving people options for multiple choice changes the dynamic, as you rightly point out, from a critical selection of a single title that deserves the glory, to a range of values that covers multiple preferences.

 

In the end it dilutes the meaning since there is less investment in selecting a true exceptional winner.

 

Not selecting a single true winner by itself is a cop out. Are people really that afraid of what it could mean? Or that committing themselves to vote for a single title will somehow reflect negatively on them? Or that a programmer is going to get pissed and go away? :roll:

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Under 5-3-1 point or 3 choice ranked voting, the actual voting wouldn't be displayed real time, and only the single winner needs to be announced, 2nd and 3rd wouldn't need to be.

The effects of people voting for games they have never played, people with low or no post counts or other irregularities possible in the current poll would be less.

As long as people trust whoever is holding on to the results. Good luck with that once the outcome is different from what someone expected. ;)

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