+DZ-Jay Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 We can't let the integrity of the vote get in the way of grudges and biases can we? Ideally, every voter would have played every eligible game and chosen the one they prefer. If that isn't possible, then they should consider the ones they HAVE played and choose the best one. That is still a compromise however, and still skews the results. People holding off their vote to the end to vote 'against' other games or to decide the winner is bogus. Obviously, this is just my personal opinion but I see little value in this 'competition' and wish to withdraw all of my games from 'GOTY' next year. If I 'win' I will not accept. I see little value in this whole exercise. Why does this all sound so familiar? http://atariage.com/forums/topic/206036-vote-for-game-of-the-year-2012/?p=2669042 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+fdr4prez Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 We can't let the integrity of the vote get in the way of grudges and biases can we? Ideally, every voter would have played every eligible game and chosen the one they prefer. If that isn't possible, then they should consider the ones they HAVE played and choose the best one. That is still a compromise however, and still skews the results. People holding off their vote to the end to vote 'against' other games or to decide the winner is bogus. Obviously, this is just my personal opinion but I see little value in this 'competition' and wish to withdraw all of my games from 'GOTY' next year. If I 'win' I will not accept. I see little value in this whole exercise. This is exactly why I've not voted and don't really plan to vote. I only own three of these games, and I've only played two of those. I don't know if any of the others are better deserving to be the GOTY, so my failure of not being familiar with all the entries means that I will be naturally biased to my three that I own, or really towards one of the two that I've actually played. That being said, me purchasing those three means that I already voted with my wallet, so I already know my top three, and playing only two of those means I've filtered my top three down to two. So I only need vote for one of the two games that I have actually played. What a conundrum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DZ-Jay Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Hey, nice first post! I wonder who you........someone who created an account to rig the vote! So be it, they are just video games after all. To me it's equally plausible that someone created an account and then blatantly started plugging their vote for Piggy in an effort to discredit it; than to be stupid enough to give himself away. Just sayin'... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Games For Your Intellivision Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Why does this all sound so familiar? http://atariage.com/forums/topic/206036-vote-for-game-of-the-year-2012/?p=2669042 I expected comments from the peanut gallery..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+5-11under Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Like our leaders keep saying.... get out and vote! Biases are fine, and if you've only played a few of them, and like one the best, go for it. Nobody expects everyone to try all the games for hours, then critically examine each one given a number of categories, and logically picking the correct answer. Just pick your favorite. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fushek Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Like our leaders keep saying.... get out and vote! Biases are fine, and if you've only played a few of them, and like one the best, go for it. Nobody expects everyone to try all the games for hours, then critically examine each one given a number of categories, and logically picking the correct answer. Just pick your favorite. Amen! I hate when we try to take a fun hobby and make it something stressful! Play the games, enjoy them and vote for your favorite. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric7100 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 This is exactly why I've not voted and don't really plan to vote. I only own three of these games, and I've only played two of those. I don't know if any of the others are better deserving to be the GOTY, so my failure of not being familiar with all the entries means that I will be naturally biased to my three that I own, or really towards one of the two that I've actually played. That being said, me purchasing those three means that I already voted with my wallet, so I already know my top three, and playing only two of those means I've filtered my top three down to two. So I only need vote for one of the two games that I have actually played. What a conundrum Why haven't you played the third one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Rev Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Obviously, this is just my personal opinion but I see little value in this 'competition' and wish to withdraw all of my games from 'GOTY' next year. If I 'win' I will not accept. I see little value in this whole exercise. But isn't Vprette a partner in Elektronite? Would be strange if he couldn't submit "his" own games in GOTY. Even if this is just some silly Atari Age contest. Just sayin..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Rev Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Amen! I hate when we try to take a fun hobby and make it something stressful! Play the games, enjoy them and vote for your favorite. I should of voted for Copter Command. ..one of my personal favorites....but Ms Pac Man is a game I like better, and the Intv version has lots of new levels. So I voted for that. Piggy is a great new game of course. Boulder Dash And Princess Quest were great. Flapee Bird is also fun and I also liked Brickout. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Rev Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 I expected comments from the peanut gallery..... An oldie but goodie. :-) http://www.kolblog.com/2014/05/dont-like-message-discredit-messenger.html?m=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+5-11under Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Flapee Bird is also fun There was quite a buzz around Flapee Bird. Some were playing it fairly heavily. I guess the low (or no) votes is just an indication that there was very heavy competition, and not that the game is bad or unliked - just not the best, I guess, and there's nothing wrong with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DZ-Jay Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 I expected comments from the peanut gallery..... LOL! That's funny, coming from you. Tell me, did you vote? Are you interested in this thread? Or are you just going to share more of your righteous indignation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Rev Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 There was quite a buzz around Flapee Bird. Some were playing it fairly heavily. I guess the low (or no) votes is just an indication that there was very heavy competition, and not that the game is bad or unliked - just not the best, I guess, and there's nothing wrong with that. Yeah. It had some attention at release. And a little score competition going on. I'm torn between each person having ability to vote once or multiple times.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Spear Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 What makes a GOTY a GOTY? Piggy Bank is (form what I see on YouTube) fun and innovative at the same time, a rarity (thinking about Keith Robinson's public lament that many can program but few can make a game), replay ability is there. But can it beat Boulderdash or Ms Pac-Man that push the hardware to the limit and will be played by a larger audience for years to come because of their world popularity? I was asking a question more than making a statement about what could/should win. Without criteria or categorization, GOTY is only a popularity contest among the forum regulars. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Rev Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 The votes do reveal one thing for sure. Most people like action/arcade style games.......or at least prefer them to strategy/puzzle style games.......same as modern gaming. Some things never change I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Rev Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 What makes a GOTY a GOTY? Piggy Bank is (form what I see on YouTube) fun and innovative at the same time, a rarity (thinking about Keith Robinson's public lament that many can program but few can make a game), replay ability is there. But can it beat Boulderdash or Ms Pac-Man that push the hardware to the limit and will be played by a larger audience for years to come because of their world popularity? I was asking a question more than making a statement about what could/should win. Without criteria or categorization, GOTY is only a popularity contest among the forum regulars. I don't know a percentage. ...but a large portion of the buyers of these games have AA account. So it kinda is GOTY chosen by people who bought (some of) the games. Of course not all buyers as you say.....but enough probably to get an idea of what most people like. Is it time to find an actual voting website? Or is that prone to one guy voting multiple times? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+fdr4prez Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 (edited) Why haven't you played the third one? I am waiting for Feb to start and I will crack it open and see if I am any good at it for the competition... Edit: But based on the scores some others have already posted, the game is either easy to get a high score on, or there are already some really good players of it. Edited January 21, 2016 by fdr4prez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DZ-Jay Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 (edited) What makes a GOTY a GOTY? Easy: in the context of this poll, what game the forum members like the best. Next! Piggy Bank is (form what I see on YouTube) fun and innovative at the same time, a rarity (thinking about Keith Robinson's public lament that many can program but few can make a game), replay ability is there. It'a a good game, agreed. You should play it sometime. But can it beat Boulderdash or Ms Pac-Man Sure, if people like it more, why not? that push the hardware to the limit That's debatable... Besides, it's not "Best Technical Feat Of The Year." and will be played by a larger audience for years to come Says who? I can equally see people shelving Ms. Pac-Man after playing it once. We don't know, right? So the merits are measured on what people think today. Also, may I remind you that's the EXACT. SAME. ARGUMENT. that was leveled against Christmas Carol when it was pitted against D2K. Ignoring for a moment that the arguments were made by the programmer and publisher, where does it stand now? So, no, lets not attempt to read the future. because of their world popularity? Popularity surely works in favour of sales and awareness, but doesn't necessarily mean it promotes replay-ability. After all, coming so late to the party, many people already have a preferred vessel on which to scratch that itch. Just sayin'... I was asking a question more than making a statement about what could/should win. Without criteria or categorization, GOTY is only a popularity contest among the forum regulars. It is a popularity contest. That's the way it's been since 2011. There were even attempts to allow people multiple votes one year in order to make it even more "democratic." A lot of people vote for their favourite game, and some vote to support their favourite publisher or programmer. It happens. If I were a cynical man, I would posit that the contest was originally intended to promote games from a specific publisher, who could then boast about it on their main and partner site... Until other games started winning; at which point the accusations of tampering, bias, and illegitimacy started flying around. But I'm not that cynical, so that can't be true. Who would do that? Just vote for your favourite game, have fun, discuss your preferences, and be happy. It's a popularity contest amongst AtariAge Intellivision enthusiasts. dZ. Edited January 21, 2016 by DZ-Jay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vprette Posted January 21, 2016 Author Share Posted January 21, 2016 (edited) I don't know a percentage. ...but a large portion of the buyers of these games have AA account. So it kinda is GOTY chosen by people who bought (some of) the games. Of course not all buyers as you say.....but enough probably to get an idea of what most people like. Is it time to find an actual voting website? Or is that prone to one guy voting multiple times? find a different place to make the goty more reliable, more "official", and more structured with additional rules (only CIB games?) is not easy since I do not see out there intellivision forums/site that have huge numbers of user... the only applicable change Im thinking about at the moment is to add a vote for the best package, referring to quality of the boxart, overlays, shells.. Edited January 21, 2016 by vprette Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Rev Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 find a different place to make the goty more reliable, more "official", and more structured with additional rules (only CIB games?) is not easy since I do not see out there intellivision forums/site that have huge numbers of user... the only applicable change Im thinking about at the moment is to add a vote for the best package, referring to quality of the boxart, overlays, shells.. Also, AA seems to be a central meeting place for a lot of Intv fans. It seems logical to have it here. I don't know how a voting website works, but I'm thinking it may only let one vote per IP Address? Which a person could just use a proxy and vote multiple times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DZ-Jay Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Also, AA seems to be a central meeting place for a lot of Intv fans. It seems logical to have it here. I don't know how a voting website works, but I'm thinking it may only let one vote per IP Address? Which a person could just use a proxy and vote multiple times. Does it matter? I think some people are taking these polls much too seriously. I guess if there is so much distrust among the community, that says more about the community than the poll. In the end, does it really matter who voted and why? I think there is a lot to learn from these polls, even if you don't want to accept the final numerical score. It is after all, a reflection of the audience. Make of that what you will. Instead of some strange and unenforceable rules, what I would suggest for the next poll is to mention that people should vote exclusively on the game they truly believe is better, and suggest some criteria to go by, e.g., originality, re-playability, polish, coolness. These are all subjective, but so is the poll. At least it suggests that people use the same subjective basis. You won't be able to enforce it, but who cares? We're a community and we can vote how we want, right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Rev Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Does it matter? I think some people are taking these polls much too seriously. I guess if there is so much distrust among the community, that says more about the community than the poll. In the end, does it really matter who voted and why? I think there is a lot to learn from these polls, even if you don't want to accept the final numerical score. It is after all, a reflection of the audience. Make of that what you will. Instead of some strange and unenforceable rules, what I would suggest for the next poll is to mention that people should vote exclusively on the game they truly believe is better, and suggest some criteria to go by, e.g., originality, re-playability, polish, coolness. These are all subjective, but so is the poll. At least it suggests that people use the same subjective basis. You won't be able to enforce it, but who cares? We're a community and we can vote how we want, right? Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Rev Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 find a different place to make the goty more reliable, more "official", and more structured with additional rules (only CIB games?) is not easy since I do not see out there intellivision forums/site that have huge numbers of user... the only applicable change Im thinking about at the moment is to add a vote for the best package, referring to quality of the boxart, overlays, shells.. Hmmmm......only CIB? That may exclude BBWW and Groovybees games....and also Elektronite has excluded his own games next year.......that would leave not many games to vote for in 2016 GOTY!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DZ-Jay Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 find a different place to make the goty more reliable, more "official", and more structured with additional rules (only CIB games?) is not easy since I do not see out there intellivision forums/site that have huge numbers of user... the only applicable change Im thinking about at the moment is to add a vote for the best package, referring to quality of the boxart, overlays, shells.. I don't think that's necessary. And why put restrictions and structure such as "CIB" games only? what are you trying to accomplish with that? Is it to separate the icky dirty baggy games like Piggy from the magnificent masterpieces from Elektronite? If your objective is to get a fair view from the community, then I think you're doing well by doing it like this. Talk of illegitimacy, accusations of bias, and other negative remarks result in people actually taking subjective political stands instead of being more objectives when they vote. Why can't we just -- for once -- put on a list of games and let the community vote and comment and cheer their favourite game without anybody pointing fingers to others "Doing It Wrong" or for the wrong reasons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vprette Posted January 21, 2016 Author Share Posted January 21, 2016 if the problem here is to have people that votes multiple times with different profiles, I can make the vote public (the username is shown) and we can debut about voters that have e profile created few days before.... but I dont think this is the case to take it so serious.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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