Intymike Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 At last, it made it's way to AA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy62 Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 I need to go to AA.....oh wait,that is a different situation! I would love to have a copy of this on my intellivision! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+intellivotion Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 I've heard of that and talked a bit about it at PRGE 2017. AFAIK, it's real. Don't know when, don't know how, though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intymike Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 I've heard of that and talked a bit about it at PRGE 2017. AFAIK, it's real. Don't know when, don't know how, though The guy on FB says it happens in June. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy62 Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 (edited) Why does everything happen on FB now,cant we just remain anonymous if we choose? Ok, Zuckerburg releases this in June. Perfect information for me. Edited April 8, 2018 by wolfy62 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy62 Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 Maybe we should just shut Atariage down and just hunt for new Homebrew games on Facebook. I could get rich with this Idea if I keep it to myself! Oh wait,I just said that out loud... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vprette Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Hey guys,anyone....is this a real thing? yes it is 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artrag Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 (edited) That Dino Yachaya has ripped off my deep zone without permission or proper credits, boxed it and now tries to sell it at 150 euros to collectors. The whole thing is a huge fraud. It is not casual he is advertising the game on Facebook only. He was trying to avoid comparisons with the origin game from this site... Edited June 9, 2018 by artrag 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artrag Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 Things are worst than they seemed. I've had by accident a video of his Gyruss game, having seen what he has done, now I have clear the full extent of the scamming and of the fraud he is making to the home brew market. I wouldn't ever accepted this speculation neither for a share of the 50% This is his (!?!) Gyruss https://drive.google...G5XAhPDMDEvZpox This is a video of an early build of Deep Zone (December 2017) Tell me what is he selling in your opinion ? (at 150 euros!!) Shameless scammers like this can only destroy the home brew market.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tep392 Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 So he added a title and changed the music. Thats exactly what I had predicted we would discover. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scalpel Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 (edited) Things are worst than they seemed. I've had by accident a video of his Gyruss game, having seen what he has done, now I have clear the full extent of the scamming and of the fraud he is making to the home brew market. I wouldn't ever accepted this speculation neither for a share of the 50% This is his (!?!) Gyruss https://drive.google...G5XAhPDMDEvZpox This is a video of an early build of Deep Zone (December 2017) Tell me what is he selling in your opinion ? (at 150 euros!!) Shameless scammers like this can only destroy the home brew market.... I would like to understand because Dino made his video in Novembre 2017 so before Deep Zone ? By the way, maybe Dino thought the source code was in the public domain ? I mean, free to use ? I know Dino is a collector. I sold him some games and it's a nice guy. So, I can say I am surprised by the situation and I am sure you could find a solution with him. The best way is to find a good solution for everyone. Keep in mind we are here because we love Intellivision. We are not here to fight but just to have fun. As you can understand, I would like to find a fair solution for everyone. Thanks (PS : my English is not perfect, my apologies to everyone) Edited June 10, 2018 by scalpel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DZ-Jay Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 (edited) I would like to understand because Dino made his video in Novembre 2017 so before Deep Zone ? By the way, maybe Dino thought the source code was in the public domain ? I mean, free to use ? I know Dino is a collector. I sold him some games and it's a nice guy. So, I can say I am surprised by the situation and I am sure you could find a solution with him. The best way is to find a good solution for everyone. Keep in mind we are here because we love Intellivision. We are not here to fight but just to have fun. As you can understand, I would like to find a fair solution for everyone. Thanks (PS : my English is not perfect, my apologies to everyone) Deep Zone has been in development for a couple of years, and I believe Arturo has shared his source from the beginning. He was just showing a comparison to an earlier build and as you can see, the game is identical. I do not know how this could be accidental: when you take someone else's work and remove attribution and try to gain from it, you are doing a very conscious thing. Like someone else said, the fact that he felt compelled to take from one forum and sell in another, and that he has been very secretive about the entire endeavor, is very telling. -dZ. P.S. Your English is great. Edited June 10, 2018 by DZ-Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artrag Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 My project is going on from 2015 and all sources and pictures are here on this site with their Date. They have taken my work without notice from a previous release in 2017. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scalpel Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Deep Zone has been in development for a couple of years, and I believe Arturo has shared his source from the beginning. He was just showing a comparison to an earlier build and as you can see, the game is identical. I do not know how this could be accidental: when you take someone else's work and remove attribution and try to gain from it, you are doing a very conscious thing. Like someone else said, the fact that he felt compelled to take from one forum and sell in another, and that he has been very secretive about the entire endeavor, is very telling. -dZ. P.S. Your English is great. In November 2017, Dino told me about his projet (and asked me to keep it secret and I did). In November, I told him to go to AtariAge Forum and to share with the programers. He replied me he has not an account yet. So, where he found the code source ? So, where is the solution ? Someone has the final gameplay video ? P.S. : Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artrag Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Look for deep zone in the programming forum, you can evaluate yourself. Creating an account on atariage is a 10 minutes work, he didn't do that. You can draw your conclusions yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DZ-Jay Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 In November 2017, Dino told me about his projet (and asked me to keep it secret and I did). In November, I told him to go to AtariAge Forum and to share with the programers. He replied me he has not an account yet. So, where he found the code source ? Let's get some things clear: First if Dino has lied about taking the game without attribution, then the rest of his account is suspect, so he could have had an undisclosed AA account, or some friend has it. However, it does not matter, because second, you do not need an AtariAge account to view public forums. As a matter of fact, I have just confirmed that, using a different computer, I was able to visit the Deep Zone thread and download the ROM and source without ever logging into AA. So, where is the solution ? Someone has the final gameplay video ? The solution to this situation? Simple: to repudiate his behaviour and ostracize him from any communities on which he has tried to spread his business. I believe artrag posted some video taken from the Gyruss game a few posts back, and it is identical to Deep Zone, except with a different title screen and music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_me Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 (edited) ... By the way, maybe Dino thought the source code was in the public domain ? I mean, free to use ? I know Dino is a collector. I sold him some games and it's a nice guy. So, I can say I am surprised by the situation and I am sure you could find a solution with him. The best way is to find a good solution for everyone. Keep in mind we are here because we love Intellivision. We are not here to fight but just to have fun. As you can understand, I would like to find a fair solution for everyone. Thanks (PS : my English is not perfect, my apologies to everyone) Everything posted on Atariage is copyright to the person that created and posted it. That includes code, source code, and most comments that each of us posts. They are not public domain unless it explicitly says so. There can be implied permissions. For example, artrag posts a rom file. If I download a copy and play it, he can't sue me for having an unauthorized copy because that permission is implied. Similarly if Dz-jay posts some code in response to someone's technical question; it might be implied that we all have permission to use that code in our projects. When posting your project, with or without source code, it might not be a bad idea to include a license. I'm not saying there is implied permissions without a license, only that it might not be a bad idea. It still won't stop someone determined to make a cartridge. Edited June 10, 2018 by mr_me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy62 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 I hope that somewhere in the future Artrag releases his version of Deep Zone that he is comfortable with selling to all of those that will want it. On his terms. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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