Thomas Jentzsch Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Obviously he is looking for stupid people with too much money in their hands, but IMO that's OK. He is not hiding anything. Before you pay $140 you should be able to read a few lines of text. If not, is not the fault of the seller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 It looks like he is forcing all communications outside of Ebay so they can't investigate his interactions with buyers that may be unhappy. Hopefully no one is falling for this fraud. I thought ebay doesn't like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 I've spoken to this seller before when he's listed pirate AtariAge homebrews. He's very unpleasant and made various threats against me. He's been listing reproductions like this for a while now. ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lauren Tyler Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 I've spoken to this seller before when he's listed pirate AtariAge homebrews. He's very unpleasant and made various threats against me. He's been listing reproductions like this for a while now. ..Al Wow, that's what I call defiant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 (edited) ...because it seems to work. Not that I like that kind of people (at all), but do we really have to mother potential stupid customers? Edited January 20, 2017 by Thomas Jentzsch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 ...because it seems to work. Not that I like that kind of people (at all), but do we really have to mother potential stupid customers? I'm not quite sure what you mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 (edited) I mean, what he is doing is perfectly legal, isn't it? All the information is there for those who are able to read. So there is no way to stop that kind of people anyway. Except for the mental awareness of potential customers! Edited January 20, 2017 by Thomas Jentzsch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 I mean, what he is doing is perfectly legal, isn't it? All the information is there for those who are able to read. So there is no way to stop that kind of people anyway. Except for the mental awareness of potential customers! No, but you can warn people that his prices are exceptionally high for reproductions, and that they are indeed reproductions and not originals. Reproductions like this are generally against eBay's rules, as well. Probably why he's not using the word "reproduction". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Shouldn't people who buy something know how much the average price for the item for sale is? But if reproductions are forbidden at eBay, then of course he should be reported. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Shouldn't people who buy something know how much the average price for the item for sale is? You would think, but that's obviously not the case! ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Ouch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 If us (the community) make people aware of what's going on, AND it results is less sales for the scammer, then by all means sound the alarm! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Maybe an easy to google thread or page here on AA with good, condensed information about reproductions etc. and how they are sold by scammers at eBay would be more helpful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Collector Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Whenever sellers say "LOOK!", "W@W!!" or use too many exclamation points, I'm automatically suspicious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zonie Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 (edited) Jeez, for $995, you think the shipping would be free! Perhaps AA should start a Store on Ebay (Forgive me if this isn't already the case, I haven't looked) so the legit AA store carts come up in the searches. This would at least help steer buyers to this site and get better prices on legit copies... Edited January 20, 2017 by Zonie 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari8bitCarts Posted January 20, 2017 Author Share Posted January 20, 2017 Obviously he is looking for stupid people with too much money in their hands, but IMO that's OK. He is not hiding anything. Before you pay $140 you should be able to read a few lines of text. If not, is not the fault of the seller. wow, it is the fault of the seller. I thought he was the one making these? Whomever did made them to look like the original with no distinguishable markings, therefore to deceive. And if you watch the evolution of the postings...they go from Replica to novelty, not in the title, but a small footnote...What the hell does novelty mean! That is meant to purposely deceive. Then the purchaser will someday sell as original to some poor shmuck. I'm totally against exact copies. And if they are created, they need to be marked as such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Perhaps AA should start a Store on Ebay (Forgive me if this isn't already the case, I haven't looked) so the legit AA store carts come up in the searches. This would at least help steer buyers to this site and get better prices on legit copies... I do plan on selling on eBay again. ..Al 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari8bitCarts Posted January 20, 2017 Author Share Posted January 20, 2017 (edited) wow, it is the fault of the seller. I thought he was the one making these? Whomever did made them to look like the original with no distinguishable markings, therefore to deceive. And if you watch the evolution of the postings...they go from Replica to novelty, not in the title, but a small footnote...What the hell does novelty mean! That is meant to purposely deceive. Then the purchaser will someday sell as original to some poor shmuck. I'm totally against exact copies. And if they are created, they need to be marked as such. notice how their "collection" are all copies.... Edited January 20, 2017 by Atari8bitCarts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Usotsuki Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 The word is not "reproduction", but "counterfeit" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 I do plan on selling on eBay again. ..Al You could put (Genuine Authentic AtariAge) in the title. And perhaps, for a tiny extra cost, include a laser'd holographic sticker. It could be as simple as the AA AtariAge logo. My official Nikon camera batteries have these, my 3rd party batteries do not. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamrodHare Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 First off, this seller needs to be tied behind a horse and dragged through the desert naked, then burned at the stake, castrated, drowned and then given a papercut between his fingers. (Notice the mean streak I have, saving the worst punishment for last.) . Since none of that is really an option in today's society, I'm not sure there's much that can be done. Trying to get eBay to give up their share of the profits from this guy's sales, well, it's just not going to happen. The only thing to do is try and educate the buyers, which is also going to be nearly impossible. Most of the people who shop on eBay have no clue as to what things are really worth. They either can't or won't do any research. I know plenty of people like this. Even with the magic of the internet at their fingertips, there are still people who just can't "do" anything. I try my best to do my research before I buy or sell anything. Research is what brought me to AtariAge to begin with. For a buyer to blindly go shopping for "vintage" or "rare" items is just plain stupid, yet they do it all the time. There's no way to help people like that. I don't like to see people get cheated, but sayings for people like that have been around for years, "A fool and his money are soon parted", and "There's one born every minute." There are others, but you get what I'm saying. I feel bad for the buyers, but I can't force them to educate themselves before making a purchase. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari8bitCarts Posted July 16, 2017 Author Share Posted July 16, 2017 Check out this Genesis Golden Axe cart copy. It's funny, but it illustrates the issue. Some people just don't care. Makes collecting really suck sometimes. The post is in the Market Place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 I can haz spell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toiletunes Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 OOH L@@K- The R@RE CartriDge variant! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vidak Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 I'm just getting in to homebrew development. I guess I have a different view on copyright and property. When I make games, I'm going to release not just the binaries but the source code as well. Both will be covered by a "copyleft" licence, which means if anyone ever distributes my games, they will also have to distribute the source code. Personally I think if you're making a product, you should give it away for free, but I don't have an issue with charging money for a commodity, so long as you also distribute it with its source code. Its then up to that person who bought the commodity to distribute it at whatever price they want. I think if you've licenced your games under traditional copyright, you should have your property respected, but I think you shouldn't have property in your games at all. The concept of copyright is what this seller is hiding behind in order to produce repros and pass them off as originals. If you release your games under a copyleft licence, like the GPL or a permissive licence, like the BSD licence, you'd have a way of suing this morally bankrupt seller because he would be claiming private property contradictory to a free software copyleft licence. Just on the topic of "killer collections", I personally think the value in software (games) is in their function and not their status as objects with rarity. Rarity is just mystical nonsense. Marx called it commodity fetishism. I personally see "counterfeits" and repros as the same as "originals" because they have the exact same ROM data and same function. Repros might even be superior to originals because they may last longer. But by all means, no one should be allowed to stop you from collecting rare objects, as long as you're not harming anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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