+Larry Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 Are there any Raspberry pi (or similar) projects that could be useful with an Atari that would make sense for a beginner? Kits would be ideal, I think. -Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atarifanboi Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 Not sure that this makes sense for a beginner, but CosmoEx uses an RPi to expand the ST. Would be interesting to see something else, and possibly something for the 8Bits, like having an APE like adaptor that plugs straight into the SIO port. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentarian Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 Several members here have Respeqt running on an RPI using SIO2PC/SIO2BT. $35 is a great price for the RPI3, especially with it now having built in BT and WiFi. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bikerbob Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 So thats a RPI running linux and then Respeqt .. so no reason why this could not be done with USB as well then. James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DrVenkman Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 So thats a RPI running linux and then Respeqt .. so no reason why this could not be done with USB as well then. James That's what I use my RPi2 for; a bog-standard Raspian Linux install on which I've compiled RespeQt. The system's SD card has every single .ATR and .XEX file I possess stored on it. My SIO2USB device is plugged into it. A project for later in the year will be to connect and mount that RPi2 to a small touchscreen display and install that whole thing into the shell of a dead 1050 or 1010 that I have as a standalone "Atari" peripheral. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bikerbob Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 That's what I use my RPi2 for; a bog-standard Raspian Linux install on which I've compiled RespeQt. The system's SD card has every single .ATR and .XEX file I possess stored on it. My SIO2USB device is plugged into it. A project for later in the year will be to connect and mount that RPi2 to a small touchscreen display and install that whole thing into the shell of a dead 1050 or 1010 that I have as a standalone "Atari" peripheral. Very nice.. something I might look into myself. please keep us up with how your doing it. James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a8isa1 Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Are there any Raspberry pi (or similar) projects that could be useful with an Atari that would make sense for a beginner? Kits would be ideal, I think. -Larry Hi, Larry! I'm running SIO2BSD on a Raspberry Pi 1B with one of Sloopy's SIO2PC USBs. The project would probably be easy for a linux guru but I'm more of a linux end user (if there is such a beast) so it was a bit of a challenge. Would have been easier if I owned the typical minimums for a Rasberry Pi. All my SD cards are only 2GB, mainly have them for my SDrive (and also a uIEC). I also don't own any USB keyboards. I found a distro that is 1GB in size, runs headless, has SSH enabled and wi-fi easily enabled. I just needed to get SIO2BSD compiled for it. I had to jump through some hoops but I finally got it done. . I'm currently wondering if I can use Dropbox to maintain files on it. The distro I'm using is called Pi MusicBox. I got it to add functionality to my aging stereo but realized it might suit the bill for the Pi/Atari project as well. -Steve Sheppard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMontezuma Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Perhaps not for beginners, but an interesting use case: http://atariage.com/forums/topic/249426-sio2pi-atari-as-a-terminal-for-a-raspberry-pi-visiting-bbs/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kogden Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 Perhaps not for beginners, but an interesting use case: http://atariage.com/forums/topic/249426-sio2pi-atari-as-a-terminal-for-a-raspberry-pi-visiting-bbs/ I did something similar.... I found some spare iPocket 232 serial<->ethernet interfaces in a drawer at work and set one up connected to my 850. Now my Atari can communicate on the network via Telnet or with some hackery even implement application-layer protocols (FTP, etc) on the Atari and let the iPocket do the TCP/IP heavy lifting. I can log in to my Mac via telnet (need to set up telnetd) and run Lynx, PINE, etc. IMHO, the best use of a Raspberry Pi for an Atari project would be: -cram it in a 600XL case -wire up the keyboard as a USB keyboard (would take some effort) -run USB to where the joystick ports were -get some USB CX40 clones -run Atari800 SDL emulator for Linux Even the emulated Atari would kick a real Atari's ass, you'd get real HDMI output, configurable RAM and multiple OS slots, etc. And you could even play Quake 3 or run a modern browser when you got bored with Star Raiders. Using a quad-core 32 or 64-bit 1GHz+ ARM RISC CPU w/ a 3D accelerator and HDMI out for a simple disk emulator seems to be a bit of a waste to me. The Raspberry Pi itself *IS* a modern answer to the "Home Computer". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 I think that's an interesting thing to try. Another similar application (albeit in an Amiga not an Atari): http://www.bytecellar.com/2016/06/07/gearing-up-for-proper-bbsing-with-the-raspberry-pi/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a8isa1 Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 (edited) . Using a quad-core 32 or 64-bit 1GHz+ ARM RISC CPU w/ a 3D accelerator and HDMI out for a simple disk emulator seems to be a bit of a waste to me. The Raspberry Pi itself *IS* a modern answer to the "Home Computer". A very good point but I would argue that regardless of the ultimate capabilities it has a Raspberry Pi is cheap. $35 USD? $50 with a case? From a price point of view it compares favorable to all the SIO2xxx devices that have come along. Plus, the RPi can do other things while it is serving files to the Atari and the RPi can be repurposed any time one wishes. I just have a couple of RPi 1 Bs here, single core version. Looking for ideas on how to use them. Haven't had much luck building SDL yet. I would like to run some emulators. I just learned of the Pine A64, a $15 SBC, 64 bit, 1.2 Ghz ARM based. There's also the CHIP computer, "the world's first $5 computer." -Steve Sheppard Edited July 2, 2016 by a8isa1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DrVenkman Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 I just have a couple of RPi 1 Bs here, single core version. Looking for ideas on how to use them. Haven't had much luck building SDL yet. I would like to run some emulators. Have you looked into RetroPie? I know there are (or were) images available for the RP1 ... It typically includes versions of Atari800, Stella and ProSystem to run A8, 2600 and 7800 games, plus an emulator for Lynx, plus some optimized versions of MAME, NES emulators, etc. I don't know how much oomph the RP1 has to run Genesis, SNES or other 16-bit system emulators, but the RP3 runs them with ease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a8isa1 Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Have you looked into RetroPie? I know there are (or were) images available for the RP1 ... It typically includes versions of Atari800, Stella and ProSystem to run A8, 2600 and 7800 games, plus an emulator for Lynx, plus some optimized versions of MAME, NES emulators, etc. I don't know how much oomph the RP1 has to run Genesis, SNES or other 16-bit system emulators, but the RP3 runs them with ease. I looked at RetroPie but I don't have big enough SD cards. All of mine are for SDrive and uIEC and thus only 2GB I tried the tips for booting from the SD card with the root file system on a USB stick but no luck yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kogden Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 I looked at RetroPie but I don't have big enough SD cards. All of mine are for SDrive and uIEC and thus only 2GB I tried the tips for booting from the SD card with the root file system on a USB stick but no luck yet. You can get an 8GB SD card for like $6 now. Hell, you can get a 128GB card for around $25. I wouldn't even bother with the USB sticks for anything but sneakernet use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WizWor Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 I got my last PI3 on ebay... http://www.ebay.com/itm/Raspberry-Pi-3-Model-B-Starter-Media-Center-Bluetooth-Premium-Kit-BLK-CLR-/231873270988?var=&hash=item35fcb954cc:m:mgqVQLZqe-16l9gZGEHOmVQ Great bundle prices with flexible accessory options. I think this is an interesting project... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVh67wMe0P0 but, so far, I have not gotten things working on a PI3 (in large part because it is summer). @kogden, be careful of big, inexpensive SD cards as there are reports of counterfeit cards. Regardless, here is a link to a list of cards tested with the RPI... http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards @a8isa1 I am using this $18.40 64GB microsd for my RetroPIe project... https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B010Q588D4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 I am hoping to have a retro game cabinet with pro controls in my game room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kogden Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 (edited) I am hoping to have a retro game cabinet with pro controls in my game room. That could be fun. The only arcade cabs I'd be real interested in would be the vector games though. Space War!, BattleZone, Tempest, Armor Attack, Cosmic Chasm, Solar Quest, Star Castle, etc. Rigging up a vector display to a modern machine gets expensive and an LCD just isn't the same. Though I'm sure a vector display interface could be built for the RasPi pretty easily with all the extra I/O pins. A Pi3 could probably even do a damn good job emulating an ST or any of the 16-bit consoles as well. The Atari 8-bit should be no problem. Edited July 3, 2016 by kogden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WizWor Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 have you seen this... https://trmm.net/Vector_games_32c3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBuell Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 A very good point but I would argue that regardless of the ultimate capabilities it has a Raspberry Pi is cheap. $35 USD? $50 with a case? From a price point of view it compares favorable to all the SIO2xxx devices that have come along. Plus, the RPi can do other things while it is serving files to the Atari and the RPi can be repurposed any time one wishes. I just have a couple of RPi 1 Bs here, single core version. Looking for ideas on how to use them. Haven't had much luck building SDL yet. I would like to run some emulators. I just learned of the Pine A64, a $15 SBC, 64 bit, 1.2 Ghz ARM based. There's also the CHIP computer, "the world's first $5 computer." -Steve Sheppard RespeQt works just fine on a Pine64. No changes to the source code required. Haven't tried SIO2BT yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirx Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 A very good point but I would argue that regardless of the ultimate capabilities it has a Raspberry Pi is cheap. $35 USD? $50 with a case? From a price point of view it compares favorable to all the SIO2xxx devices that have come along. Plus, the RPi can do other things while it is serving files to the Atari and the RPi can be repurposed any time one wishes. Just received $12 clone: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Orange-Pi-Lite-Support-ubuntu-linux-and-android-mini-PC-Beyond-and-Compatible-with-Raspberry/32662738571.html?spm=2114.13010608.0.56.UA2RhP So far so good. Will check RespeQt in a while, but you just can't easily beat this price point. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBuell Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 RespeQt works just fine on a Pine64. No changes to the source code required. Haven't tried SIO2BT yet.So, since this post I tried Remix 2.0 and got *nowhere* with it. I also reimaged a micro SD card to take a bare bones install of Android and made more progress. It seems to be much happier communicating to Google's servers over Wi-Fi to set my account, download and update apps, compared to the really low download speeds I was getting with wired Ethernet out if the same router. Anyway, I downloaded SIO2BT, did the bluetooth handshake in the settings app, opened the SIO2BT app and it accepted the connection. As with my SIO2PC tests I booted a stock XE with a souped up SIO2SD connector that also allows a Serial port connection and SIO traffic to pass through. That second connector is where I successfully placed the SIO to BT module. As with my first test, I had the basic system boot from a disk image with one program on it, while data for that program was delivered from the Pine64, a little distance away. Now I will not say these tests are conclusive, they are, actually, just a start. But the XE was able to read, edit and play back a song from a data file delivered over Bluetooth. The loading times were pretty high, which means I have 8quite a bit of investigating to do to fine tune the complete process. So for those keeping score: Pine64 with Ubuntu and Serial to USB adapter was a complete success. Pine64 running Android 5.1.1 and SIO2BT was successful, if laggy. Remix OS - no definitive answer. Other OS'es? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMontezuma Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 I booted a stock XE with a souped up SIO2SD connector that also allows a Serial port connection and SIO traffic to pass through. That second connector is where I successfully placed the SIO to BT module. As with my first test, I had the basic system boot from a disk image with one program on it, while data for that program was delivered from the Pine64, a little distance away. Now I will not say these tests are conclusive, they are, actually, just a start. But the XE was able to read, edit and play back a song from a data file delivered over Bluetooth. The loading times were pretty high, which means I have 8quite a bit of investigating to do to fine tune the complete process. This can't work reliable with a stock machine. You need a software loader (which copies the OS ROM to RAM and apply a patch to the OS): Please download: http://abbuc.de/~montezuma/SIO2BT.zip The loaders are located in the ATR folder. You may also try a SYSCHECK (used as external OS switch) or MyIDE II with new firmware supporting SIO2BT (BETA#17) . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBuell Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Ok, that's what I thought. Just haven't made time to do the mods and add an OS switch yet. But, it did work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Larry Posted July 26, 2018 Author Share Posted July 26, 2018 Here's a new question for an older thread... Is there anything for our Atari like the "Keyrah" adapter that is used for C64 etc. as shown in this video? C64 or no, this is neat, I think. But there are other hardware adaptations that do similar things (and a lot more). -Larry 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorRossie Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 https://deskthority.net/photos-f62/atari-800-xl-converted-to-usb-keyboard-t9757.html Although I can't find the code for the microcontroller on the page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattsoft Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 Here's a new question for an older thread... Is there anything for our Atari like the "Keyrah" adapter that is used for C64 etc. as shown in this video? C64 or no, this is neat, I think. But there are other hardware adaptations that do similar things (and a lot more). -Larry I did those 3D printed parts for this conversion, and also made parts for a 130XE conversion. The 130XE conversion parts are free on Thingiverse too. More here: http://atariage.com/forums/topic/277531-rpi-conversions/ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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