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Great news! I recently interviewed Wes Newell, founder of Newell Industries (known for Omnimon and many other upgrades.) (The interview is not published yet.) He sent me hundreds of pages of documentation and source code to scan, and put online. And he's put it in the public domain!*

 

So, I've scanned it all and uploaded it all to the Internet Archive. The manuals are pretty straightforward, seems to be rather complete set of Newell manuals. I need your help to identify and describe a lot of the source code. With more information about exactly what this stuff is, I can amend the metadata at archive.org.

 

 

I think the Atari community will find some of this source code very exciting. So dig in and tell me what we've got.

 

 

(*I'm not entirely convinced that the Omnimon/Omniview manuals are his to put in the public domain — they may be owned by David Young of CDY Consulting) so I didn't tag that PD in the uploads.)

 

Atari 8-bit Source code

Atari ST Source code
MS-DOS Source code
Atari 8-Bit Manuals
Atari ST Manuals
MS-DOS Application with Manual
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That is such an outstanding WOW! can't tell.

Thank you so much:

Wes Newell

David Young

and Kevin again.

 

What a day. A few good news likes this, really let the world look better.

Please go ahead with your outstanding work. That is all to fantasitic and hard to believe it is all true.

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Very nice!

 

Anything for his program Pro Bowling? It seems this was published both by Newell Industries and APX.

 

Also wondering whether Wes Newell wrote any other commercial games we wouldn't be aware of (he coded some public domain titles in BASIC but that's all the information we have).

 

Thanks!

 

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Very nice!

 

Anything for his program Pro Bowling? It seems this was published both by Newell Industries and APX.

 

Also wondering whether Wes Newell wrote any other commercial games we wouldn't be aware of (he coded some public domain titles in BASIC but that's all the information we have).

 

 

He did indeed do Pro Bowling, and we talk about it in the interview. I didn't explicitly ask about putting it in the PD, because it's already widely available.

 

He didn't wrote any other games that we don't know about.

 

Kevin

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He did indeed do Pro Bowling, and we talk about it in the interview. I didn't explicitly ask about putting it in the PD, because it's already widely available.

 

He didn't wrote any other games that we don't know about.

 

Kevin

We just need the manual. :)

 

Allan

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I suppose OSNE/OSNF/OSNXL are versions of the source code for the Omnimon monitor, referenced in this thread http://atariage.com/forums/topic/213502-ramboramrod-newell/

 

Any corroboration from smart programmer people?

 

Not claiming to be a smart programmer :) ... but yes, they are the source (or sort of) of Omnimon ...

 

Now, I don't want to be ungrateful, or nitpick too much, because it is certainly great that he provided them and you that digitized and uploaded them. Thanks ... But I wonder if it is the full source code ... I don't see a single comment line, that's pretty strange for assembler. There are very few, really very few, inline comments in the same line than an assembler statement. But at first glance, I couldn't find a single whole line comment. As if comment lines were removed from the listing.

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Now, I don't want to be ungrateful, or nitpick too much, because it is certainly great that he provided them and you that digitized and uploaded them. Thanks ... But I wonder if it is the full source code ... I don't see a single comment line, that's pretty strange for assembler.

 

Took a look at the OSNXL listing. This isn't a program listing per se; it is the output at time of assembly. I see a lot of external symbols not defined in the source, (or otherwise could not find the definitions) , so there's probably an include file or two not shown in the listing. I do see the occasional comment in there. Not aware of any assembler that would attempt to excise comments in the assembly.

 

It looks like the author just wasn't a big fan on in-line documentation and/or it was likely not something expected to be scrutinized in public. Common programmer feature (flaw) -- when you're working with something every day all sorts of decisions appear self-explanatory and documentation seems redundant. And then a year (or twenty) later you look at it and wonder what the heck you were thinking of.

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I guess nobody ever looked at this stuff or else they would have noticed some things.

 

All the OSNxx listings are just the OS. No Omnimon and no Fastchip. The NE looks like it’s just the E: handler. The XL one is a full list while the two NF listings are just $F000-FFFF listed twice, the Exxx is missing. So really not much to be learned from them.

 

The one pager source is just a routine to copy the OS rom to the ram underneath for XL and XE machines.

 

I suppose this means the source code for Omnimon and the Fastchip are not available, although I saw a comment elsewhere that Newell’s fast FP code is just a copy of Marslett’s fast floating point. Is that true, that Fastchip was written by Marslett ?

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16 hours ago, Alfred said:

I guess nobody ever looked at this stuff or else they would have noticed some things.

 

All the OSNxx listings are just the OS. No Omnimon and no Fastchip. The NE looks like it’s just the E: handler. The XL one is a full list while the two NF listings are just $F000-FFFF listed twice, the Exxx is missing. So really not much to be learned from them.

 

The one pager source is just a routine to copy the OS rom to the ram underneath for XL and XE machines.

 

I suppose this means the source code for Omnimon and the Fastchip are not available, although I saw a comment elsewhere that Newell’s fast FP code is just a copy of Marslett’s fast floating point. Is that true, that Fastchip was written by Marslett ?

OSN, Omnimon, Omniview and Fastchip were all separate products on the 800 line.  No reason that OSN source listings would include any of the others.

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To the best of my knowledge, Marslett is the author of Newell's FastChip code. Not sure about the financial arrangements if any and what ever source I can find for Marslett's FP code is a wild, not ready for prime time, first try gathering of nonsense that can't possibly render the final product. Tebe of MADS fame did a break down of the code though and it's well commented too. It is to be found in his MADS distribution in a folder off the beaten track there. But original Marslett source code commented is nonexistent, IIRC. His FastChip code carries his name and copyright date readable in ascii within it. Bob Puff offered the same FastChip code in some of his alternate OS roms as well. Newell has minimal comments in his source code which isn't source code per se. Only thing offered is a PDF of an assembly report of sorts that needs converting into actual usable source code.

 

Newell E rom is the 0xE000 to 0xEFFF region code minus the character set from 0xE000 thru 0xE3FF, so it's only 0xE400 thru 0xEFFF instead. For the 800 since the 800 had two separate ROMs for those E000 and F000 regions too.

 

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Well that's interesting. This is the header in the FP section of the T816 OS code:

 

; **************************************
; *  Turbo-OS Floating Point Routines  *
; *  (c)1984 Charles Marslett          *
; *  (c)1988,1989 DataQue Software     *   
; *  Version 1.311a        04/11/1990  *
; **************************************

 

So I wonder where Chuck got his copy of the source, from Marslett himself back then ? I was going to ask Puff last night about the UltraSpeed OS, but he was doing one of his audio gigs, so he's calling me back tonight. There's not a lot of comments in the TOS code, but what there is I don't think came from Steinman.

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On 10/8/2019 at 5:11 PM, JR> said:

OSN, Omnimon, Omniview and Fastchip were all separate products on the 800 line.  No reason that OSN source listings would include any of the others.

So what is OSN ? Stock OS with faster key repeat ? Hardly seems a product without any of the other stuff.

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Faster key repeat and other toys such as green screen, but mainly launching of omnimon at 0xC000 which isn't the normal for an 800 with special keypress during a RESET. Or by fiddling with DIP switch having RAM at 0xC000 instead, etc.

 

It seems all of Newells FP package has the bug at offset 0xE0 of E5h instead of Tebe and Puff's E9h. So how or where Steinman got his FP code might be obvious. I'll guess it's just copy and paste with no source just like the rest of us, 1984 is the ascii date Marslett put in the actual code. So Draco reports that this FastChip code breaks TurboBasic and it makes me wonder if his experience was with the buggy Newell version or not, if the working (good) FastChip code does the same trick anyway with TurboBasic? It would be a pity if it does not work with TurboBasic.

 

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