+af0l Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 Well thanks to things like this I'll be restricting the supply of my binaries and people can demand all they want. Please don't... Or add me to a list or something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo_rg Posted September 7, 2016 Author Share Posted September 7, 2016 That ship , as CJ said, sailed long ago. I won't be inclined or encouraged to do stuff just so someone else can be hailed as the saviour of the Atari Jaguar with his stance of doing people a favour. No more freely released games will result in the exact opposite.. only so many people developing for a system and not doing it for free. In future no free stuff from me, I have the means and know how and network of friends who could quite easily churn out carts with a bit more than a dymo label. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+af0l Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 (edited) Well, I think that releasing freely is what gives the scene the momentum, but that's just me. And this case is a typical narco debate - the perps trying to justify their actions by "giving the people what they want" (and skipping the fact they're making a stinking profit out of it). There will always be *some* demand for *anything*. You could justify pedophilia like that. So - respect to the devs. Shame on the profiteers. But the spice must flow. Edited September 7, 2016 by af0l 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CyranoJ Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 I disagree, I'm not selling their work, I'm distributing it at cost, in a format that is consumable by 100% of all Jaguar fans. I disagree, and i'll VeRO any listings you put up of my files. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LianneJaguar64 Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 <sarcasm> follow the link and ask gently the seller to make you a copy, I'm sure you can get it for under 200£ </sarcasm> That would be this I was responding to, Mr. Sauron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenixdownita Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 That would be this I was responding to, Mr. Sauron Oh I see. We're getting carried away with this topic and rightfully so but some innocent bystander got caught in the crossfire, sorry ... couldn't make the connection myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christos Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 Ebay has a buy it now option. Meaning you set a price and people can buy something in the set price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LianneJaguar64 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Oh I see. We're getting carried away with this topic and rightfully so but some innocent bystander got caught in the crossfire, sorry ... couldn't make the connection myself. No worries <3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagosaurus Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 I enjoy my copy, for PERSONAL USE ONLY And made for $30 in parts and labor... It really is just as bad the idiots that spend that kind of money. That's why i'll never own an "original" Gorf That looks slick! Approve!!! Having seen your pics, assuming you made a case/cover ? I play the PS1 port of Doom II fairly often. Great game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gemintronic Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 I disagree, I'm not selling their work, I'm distributing it at cost, in a format that is consumable by 100% of all Jaguar fans. I specifically do not give anyone permission to distribute ANY of my work for ANY platform, without my explicit authority. Assuming game developers want free distribution is too much regardless of your profit margin. Ask. Always. ^^^ UPDATED through the power of CyranoJ. Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CyranoJ Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 I specifically do not give anyone permission to distribute ANY of my work for ANY platform, without my explicit authority. FTFY. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Dangerous Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 I specifically do not give anyone permission to distribute ANY of my work for ANY platform, without my explicit authority. Assuming game developers want free distribution is too much regardless of your profit margin. Ask. Always. ^^^ UPDATED through the power of CyranoJ. Thank you! So i should cease and desist selling burned copies of Code Eliminator out of the back of my 88' dodge van? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+af0l Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 I don't remember paying this much for this: http://www.ebay.de/itm/ATARI-JAGUAR-XENON-2-MEGABLAST-NEW-NEU-/222256158309?hash=item33bf7fd665:g:eE4AAOSw8w1X4U03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+madman Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 I don't remember paying this much for this: http://www.ebay.de/itm/ATARI-JAGUAR-XENON-2-MEGABLAST-NEW-NEU-/222256158309?hash=item33bf7fd665:g:eE4AAOSw8w1X4U03 Do you mean to tell us that people are flipping Jaguar games on EBay for profit? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicolaspersijn Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Sean Kelly singlehandedly killed this this kind of stuff with his Vectrex multicarts by using eBay to sell his carts in plentiful quantities at an affordable price. Smart move I'd say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CyranoJ Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 And you seem to have single handedly stopped binary releases. Smart move I'd say. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+madman Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 And you seem to have single handedly stopped binary releases. Smart move I'd say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gemintronic Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 So i should cease and desist selling burned copies of Code Eliminator out of the back of my 88' dodge van? If you need the money I've got your back. I wish I could just post it for everyone to enjoy. But, you message me and I've got a version you can publish yourself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 (edited) Sean Kelly singlehandedly killed this this kind of stuff with his Vectrex multicarts by using eBay to sell his carts in plentiful quantities at an affordable price. Smart move I'd say. *sigh* Nicholas - Sean was selling old games, all the originals on one cart (plus some licensed homebrew...?). What you're doing is selling the Native demo (free to download and licensed to Carl of Songbird) and DOOM ][ (the creator who started this thread doesn't approve of it being sold). Tiny Toons - go for it I reckon. No one who owns the IP will care and both demos are pretty shitty at best, but they'd be nice to have for a completist (I guess). Overpriced and incomplete games are *not* going to get people to enjoy the Jag. You'd probably be better of doing a Sean Kelly and putting all the *original* games on a cart and selling it for ~$100 - $200 like he did. Is that technically piracy. Sure. But it's not hurting any original / new content producers in 2015. THAT would lower the price of the original games. THAT would get people playing the Jag. Sure, you might get chased by one of the IP holders, but you're willing to stop others releasing binaries lest they get taken by you and sold against the original coder's will, so why not risk that. ZERO binaries have been released for free since this started. Correlation / causation? I'm annoyed at this, I'm sure others are. I hope that current devs and tinkerers resume doing this. I liked the option of playing it on the Skunk or an emulator or a CD or (if it's a game I really liked) I could purchase it from the creators. Now we only have one option. As I said - annoyed. Selling a couple of carts to 'open up the community' which has resulted in no new binaries. It hardly seems worth it. I must ask - because you have the ability to make carts, how about working with those people who are creating games and demos, help them release them as physical copies (*IF* that's what they want), but respect their wishes if they don't want them released by you. Have you worked with anyone or asked if you could release their stuff? You seem like a nice guy dude, I still want to buy one of your rotaries, but the cognitive dissonance between action and reaction both amuses me and confuses me in equal parts. **Note: I have a vague recollection that the Vectrex multicart content is licensed. Anyone? Edited September 22, 2016 by skip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicolaspersijn Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 I'm not saying that what I'm doing has anything to do with Mr. Kelly. I just think it's a good selling model to avoid expensive flipping and widen the base. That is to say for new projects. Wouldn't it be great if new casual Jaguar fans could peruse eBay (as they do) and bump into new releases direct from the devs at reasonable prices and in plentiful quantities? Habitual flippers/resellers would loose their market completely. Isn't that what we all want? Again, this is and was just a suggestion and has nothing to do with me. I have permission from Duranik for Native, by the way. Got something from Tursi coming soon as well. I've also been contacted for production on a couple of other projects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Good. It all sounds good. It seems that you're admitting (in a round about way) that a couple of non approved releases maybe shouldn't have happened. I get your point about eBay, but it still seems obvious to me that seeking direct to jag fans either here or on FB would get more sales to those interested rather than flippers. I also think that multi carts of old releases sold on eBay would make a bigger impact than half finished demos (if one were to risk it, I'm not condoning it). All of that should be remedied by the releases of an SD cart. To an extent anyway, it hasn't dented prices of certain games on the snes or genesis. If nothing else, I hope it'll reduce the Pinball Fantasies markup. It's the last official Jag cart game I want (anyone want to sell me one? ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Oh, sorry for the double post, but by the recent release of over a dozen reasonably priced cart game ports on AA, part of what you're suggesting has already been realised. How about we all work together and stuff. The anti AA rhetoric on FB by some is rather foul at best, and borderline ridiculous at worst (not that you've caused FB Jaguar drama ). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Somewhat related to this thread... http://www.ebay.com/itm/no-game-included-atari-jaguar-doom-II-mint-box-only-/311720707752?hash=item48940086a8:g:T78AAOSwZJBYArt~ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CyranoJ Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Somewhat related to this thread... http://www.ebay.com/itm/no-game-included-atari-jaguar-doom-II-mint-box-only-/311720707752?hash=item48940086a8:g:T78AAOSwZJBYArt~ Are we shocked given the seller? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Are we shocked given the seller? Not really. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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