+mytek Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 I threw a cable together just now and hooked it up to my kitchen tv -- it was a no go - "unsupported format". Brent was that through component inputs on the kitchen TV? Reason I ask, is that I had no luck getting it to work on my new TV through component inputs, but it would work just fine on my older Samsung Multisync monitor/TV. If this is a hit or miss situation, then either a fix should be devised or perhaps a list needs to be started that shows compatible TV's. Otherwise there could be some very disappointed buyers if they can't get it to work with what they have. Ha, yeah after looking at your pics, you are right.. The colors don't really drive me that nuts at the moment though, however if anyone comes up with a fix via reprogramming, please let us know! I might have to pick one up too! Personally I would like Sophia to mimic stock Atari video colors as the default, and then provide the alternative color mode as a selectable feature. My thought on this would be to poke a specific GTIA register location, preferably something not currently used, and that would toggle from stock to extra color mode. Thanks, Michael! I agree -- I like the S-video a bit better. It is about what I expected. Perhaps analogous to good S-video looking better on a CRT than on an LCD (sometimes). But I can also see some advantage to the added flexibility of having a second independent hi-rez color of the Sophia, so when Simius gets this sorted out, think I'll still get one. Neat idea to have both devices in the same computer, also. -Larry Hi Larry Yes Sophia is definitely a must have, and I agree that having both it and the UAV will give you a well rounded assortment of video outputs to choose from. All of which will be very high quality. The extra color ability of Sophia is also very cool, but I still feel that it shouldn't come by sacrificing the stock color standard in the process. It needs to be user selectable. - Michael 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ely Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 (edited) Finally made a proper cable. Damn the video quality is amazing!! Not too fussed about this talk of the colours being correct at this stage really. I've only got a Miner 2049er Cart to compare as the board is out of the case and I've no keyboard or SIO connected. The difference between the composite video and Sophia is striking to say the least. Sophia; Composite Video Out from standard port; Edited March 15, 2017 by Ely 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+mytek Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Finally made a proper cable. Damn the video quality is amazing!! Not too fussed about this talk of the colours being correct at this stage really. I've only got a Miner 2049er Cart to compare as the board is out of the case and I've no keyboard or SIO connected. The difference between the composite video and Sophia is striking to say the least. Just for the record, what kind of monitor are you using, and what inputs (RGB or Component)? This way we can create an unofficial list of known working set-ups with Sophia - Michael 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbievgb Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 The extra color ability of Sophia is also very cool, but I still feel that it shouldn't come by sacrificing the stock color standard in the process. It needs to be user selectable. I agree, I'm a little bummed that Pac-Man is pink. Kinda ruins the overall wow factor. It's not super noticeable in all games depending on the colors they use. Interested in any continuing development and tuning of the core if possible to get a more stock result. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Philsan Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Finally made a proper cable. Damn the video quality is amazing!! Not too fussed about this talk of the colours being correct at this stage really. I've only got a Miner 2049er Cart to compare as the board is out of the case and I've no keyboard or SIO connected. The difference between the composite video and Sophia is striking to say the least. Sophia; Composite Video Out from standard port; Colors are completely different. I would like too that Sophia board replicates standard colors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARIO130XE Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Same here. I have wrong colours in a lot of games. Biggest issue I have watching RastaConverter Pictures. I hope it's possible to fix that problems. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ely Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Just for the record, what kind of monitor are you using, and what inputs (RGB or Component)? This way we can create an unofficial list of known working set-ups with Sophia - Michael I'm using a Sony 24EX320 TV which I bought in 2011. It's a native 1080p which I use mostly for my XBOX ONE. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ely Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Same here. I have wrong colours in a lot of games. Biggest issue I have watching RastaConverter Pictures. I hope it's possible to fix that problems. I looked at quite a few games last night and didn't really notice any issues. The only issue I did see was the text colour if I just boot to BASIC and get lime green text, as other people have already noted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentarian Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Brent was that through component inputs on the kitchen TV? Reason I ask, is that I had no luck getting it to work on my new TV through component inputs, but it would work just fine on my older Samsung Multisync monitor/TV. If this is a hit or miss situation, then either a fix should be devised or perhaps a list needs to be started that shows compatible TV's. Otherwise there could be some very disappointed buyers if they can't get it to work with what they have. A 5-6yr old 19" LCD TV/DVD combo -- brand is "Curtis" and that is apparently re-labeled as RCA and Sylvania also. If you or someone is doing a cross-reference then I'll get the model#. I was using the component jacks. The Insignia tv (Best Buy brand) worked fine using component in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Firedawg Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Ok, possibly a stupid question. Are all the GTIAs soldered in on the 130xe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+kheller2 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Ok, possibly a stupid question. Are all the GTIAs soldered in on the 130xe? Supposedly the only socketed chips on a XE are those that originally failed testing. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+mytek Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 A 5-6yr old 19" LCD TV/DVD combo -- brand is "Curtis" and that is apparently re-labeled as RCA and Sylvania also. If you or someone is doing a cross-reference then I'll get the model#. I was using the component jacks. The Insignia tv (Best Buy brand) worked fine using component in. I wonder why some TV's with component output from Sophia are not working? Some sort of timing issue? You would think that unlike using composite or S-Video, that component would be a bit better behaved, but then again it's still analog based. This is certainly going to be a problem if some TV's work and some don't. Reminds me of the situation that I had with the original 1990 TransKey, where only certain keyboards would be recognized. Luckily the TK-II no longer suffers from that limitation. Hopefully there is a firmware solution that will be forthcoming, and since I have a non-working TV and a programmer coming I'm volunteering to be a guinea pig - Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARIO130XE Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 btw, I'm using a CRT .... a Commodore 1084 and I have big big problems. a lot of progs showing nice colours over S-VIDEO on the same Monitor. Simply changing the VIEW, using the same monitor, but using the SOPHIA board and I get wrong colours. Soetimes only a few pixels, sometimes the whole screen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synthpopalooza Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 Question ... is the GTIA on a 1200xl socketed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 Question ... is the GTIA on a 1200xl socketed? It is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simius Posted March 18, 2017 Author Share Posted March 18, 2017 (edited) Simply changing the VIEW, using the same monitor, but using the SOPHIA board and I get wrong colours. Is there somewhere a digital reference pattern of the GTIA color palette which has a common approval? Edited March 18, 2017 by Simius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Larry Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 My (stock) Atari's have slightly different color schemes, although they can usually be "tweaked" using the pot. on the mobo. Still, they may not be exactly the same. I usually just "cheat" and use the SETUP on my capture device where I have color intensity, tint, contrast, and brightness to adjust colors as I want them. But that would not work with Sophia -- I'd have to adjust the TV/monitor controls, and that would be more difficult, So my question is, is there a way on the Sophia to adjust the colors to get them to be what we normally expect? Or, "it is what it is" and we would need to use the TV/monitor controls to adjust the colors? I suspect it is the latter. (?) But is the output from Sophia analog or digital? If analog, couldn't pots be added to adjust the intensity of the individual colors? Maybe a silly question, but I don't know, hence I ask. -Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARIO130XE Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 (edited) Is there somewhere a digital reference pattern of the GTIA color palette which has a common approval? Hmm okay. Maybe pictures says more than 1000 words. Left are the sophia pics and right the s-video version of the same picture. EDIT: I have added the XEXs to this post so maybe someone could check, it the problem is only on my 130XE and not a sophia 'feature'. Greetings Mario MARIO130XE_HEADROOM.XEX Mario130xe_HOTPUNK.xex MARIO130XE_MELTING-CUBE.XEX MARIO130XE_PROC10.XEX Edited March 18, 2017 by MARIO130XE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+remowilliams Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 Finally installed the Sophia in my 1200XL this morning. Very easy except that it seemed to take a bit more of 'electronics level violence' than expected to get the Sophia socket into the 1200XL motherboard socket. I'm going to assume that the GTIA isn't going back into that (now likely loose in comparison to previous) socket by itself again. Output is very clear, however my text is lime green instead of the expected white... Same display/capture settings with the UAV: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simius Posted March 18, 2017 Author Share Posted March 18, 2017 (edited) Hmm okay. Maybe pictures says more than 1000 words. The known Atari800Win palettes in order from left to right, top to bottom: internal, default.act, jakub.act, real.act, laoo.act, olivPAL.act Edited March 18, 2017 by Simius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARIO130XE Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 (edited) The known Atari800Win pallets in order from left to right, top to bottom: internal, default.act, jakub.act, real.act, laoo.act, olivPAL.act I'm not talking about the different palettes. I'm talking more about the stripes, squares and wrong pixels ... in the cap of the boy for example. I would like to know, if this is only my 130xe or if other sophia users have the same 'wrong pixels/colors/fields' and if yes, could it be fixed or not. greetings Mario Edited March 18, 2017 by MARIO130XE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+remowilliams Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 I would like to know, if this is only my 130xe or if other sophia users have the same 'wrong pixels/colors/fields' and if yes, could it be fixed or not. Yes, I see pixels in the Sophia RBG output in the same area that do not appear in the UAV s-video. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARIO130XE Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 Yes, I see pixels in the Sophia RBG output in the same area that do not appear in the UAV s-video. Thank you for testing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synthpopalooza Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 I am very seriously considering one of these Sophias now ... when will the next run start? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ApolloBoy Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Just for the record, what kind of monitor are you using, and what inputs (RGB or Component)? This way we can create an unofficial list of known working set-ups with Sophia I'm using a Sony PVM-1354Q, both my 5200 and 800XL are using RGB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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