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Debating an RGB Upgrade - Anyone using a Framemeister?


Hank Rearden
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I've already let it be known, I'm not a big fan of my composite upgrade so I've been debating upgrading one of my units with RGB. However, you not only have the issue of the cost of the RGB upgrade itself but then how to display it on a modern TV. It really looks like the best way to go is to buy a Framemeister, which go for $330 or so. There are probably cheaper options but I am curious to hear about anyone's experience with an RGB upgrade combined with a Framemeister. Or any other setups that benefit from the RGB upgrade. Please share.

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An Open Source Scan Converter is supposed to be at least as good as a Framemeister (mine is on the way, so I can't say for sure yet) and costs about half the price (although it has fewer bells & whistles). The catch is that you have to put your name on a waiting list. If you're impatient and don't mind paying, the Framemeister is an awesome piece of kit.

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just wait for the retroblox

That might be a long wait and while there is a niche for a unit like that, it doesn't sound like anything vastly different than Retron. There will always be those that like to combine the old with the new. And if this does ever come along it might be something I'd be interested in to fill in many holes for systems I don't yet have but might want to try

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I've already let it be known, I'm not a big fan of my composite upgrade so I've been debating upgrading one of my units with RGB. However, you not only have the issue of the cost of the RGB upgrade itself but then how to display it on a modern TV. It really looks like the best way to go is to buy a Framemeister, which go for $330 or so. There are probably cheaper options but I am curious to hear about anyone's experience with an RGB upgrade combined with a Framemeister. Or any other setups that benefit from the RGB upgrade. Please share.

I have a framemeister, and I actually did my RGB 2600 mod just a few weeks ago. It looks excellent, as close to pixel perfection that you will probably find, however I haven't used any other scalers. Even though it's a large investment, I actually run a lot of consoles through my framemeister, most sega consoles output RGB natively with the right cable and look stunning. BTW, I had previously installed the standard 2 resistor, 1 transistor mod on my 2600, and RGB/S-Video is a large improvement. The RGB kit's composite output even looks a lot better than that basic mod.

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I have a framemeister, and I actually did my RGB 2600 mod just a few weeks ago. It looks excellent, as close to pixel perfection that you will probably find, however I haven't used any other scalers. Even though it's a large investment, I actually run a lot of consoles through my framemeister, most sega consoles output RGB natively with the right cable and look stunning. BTW, I had previously installed the standard 2 resistor, 1 transistor mod on my 2600, and RGB/S-Video is a large improvement. The RGB kit's composite output even looks a lot better than that basic mod.

What RGB kit did you use?

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What RGB kit did you use?

http://etim.net.au/shop/shop.php?crn=207

 

Keep in mind, those prices are in AU and not USD. With the conversion rates, it's less. I also bought the cable set for mine. I like the fact that it ouputs s-vid, composite and rgb - also component with an adapter.

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http://etim.net.au/shop/shop.php?crn=207

 

Keep in mind, those prices are in AU and not USD. With the conversion rates, it's less. I also bought the cable set for mine. I like the fact that it ouputs s-vid, composite and rgb - also component with an adapter.

And you have to have some sort of upscaler to take advantage of RGB, correct. Meaning there really isn't a connector for the RGB to HDMI or something like that. Or maybe there is but the picture won't look right since the TV won't likely recognize the 240P input. So you more or less need to use SCART.

 

And regarding the Framemeister, the one to by is the EU version? The one listed for $338. JP21 is a Japanese version. Looks the same but it's pinned differently.

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And you have to have some sort of upscaler to take advantage of RGB, correct. Meaning there really isn't a connector for the RGB to HDMI or something like that. Or maybe there is but the picture won't look right since the TV won't likely recognize the 240P input. So you more or less need to use SCART.

 

I think there are some CRT's that will take the RGB natively, but for the most part yes, you would need an upscaler to take advantage of the RGB. I do use scart as my main connector, though I believe you can just run the 8 pin din cable straight to the framemeister. In that case you may have to run audio separately.

 

And regarding the Framemeister, the one to by is the EU version? The one listed for $338. JP21 is a Japanese version. Looks the same but it's pinned differently.

 

As far as I know, all framemeister upscalers are the same, and come with the JP21 adapter (similar to euroscart connector). You just have to decide if you want to stick with the JP21 for your connectors, or get a euroscart adapter instead, and then use standard scart cables. I personally went with buying a euroscart adapter because euroscart cables for systems are more common. I went through all this about a year ago, and it's kind of a headache to wrap your brain around everything, once it's set up though, it looks really good. I'm using a 51" samsung plasma for reference.

 

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And you have to have some sort of upscaler to take advantage of RGB, correct. Meaning there really isn't a connector for the RGB to HDMI or something like that. Or maybe there is but the picture won't look right since the TV won't likely recognize the 240P input. So you more or less need to use SCART.

 

And regarding the Framemeister, the one to by is the EU version? The one listed for $338. JP21 is a Japanese version. Looks the same but it's pinned differently.

Just wanted to add for anyone looking for a TV that does accept 240P over component cables I have a Hisense 55 inch Smart TV that does. It has more options than most name brand expensive TVs I've had. I would have to look at the model number but I have the 1080p version I'm not sure if the newer ones do or not support 240p over component. Reason I wanted a TV that does was at the time was trying to find a TV I could use with my PS2 and have component cables and be able to play PS1 games. I'd before have to have it hooked compenent for best picture with PS2 games then everytime I wanted to play a PS1 game had to swap it back to composite. My Hisense TV solved that problem.

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FWIW I think RF > TV tuner > Composite > Framemeister looks pretty cool, it's upscaled but with authentic ugliness. If you're going for RGB I'd just do an AnalogueNT Mini at this point.

I will back this up. I recently got a Framemeister and hooked up my 2600 through an RF demodulator last night. It looks about as close to a CRT display as you'd get on an HD set thanks to the RF fuzziness. Looks cool!

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