Flojomojo Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 From reddit Believing that the past is better than the present is not a new thing. https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/6dj7n8/til_that_the_golden_age_fallacy_believing_the/?utm_source=ifttt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godslabrat Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 It's only a fallacy if it's not true. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+jeremiahjt Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 Believing that the present is the best thing ever is not a new thing. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaserCat Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 For a brilliant take on this topic check out Woody Allen's Midnight In Paris. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatPix Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 Even the Ancient Greeks and Romans complained that the manners and ways of the past were better. Tho admittedly for the Romans, they probably had it right when the IIIrd Century crisis started. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted May 27, 2017 Author Share Posted May 27, 2017 It's only a fallacy if it's not true.How far back do you want to go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbd30 Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 Today's young gamers will feel the same way in 20-30 years as they nostalgically relive the games from their youth. Oh wait, those games aren't on any physical media and the servers won't even exist anymore. https://www.theverge.com/2012/5/20/3030875/video-game-preservation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted May 27, 2017 Author Share Posted May 27, 2017 Oh come on, if you're gonna be a cynical pessimist, take it all the way. They will all be dead from nuclear holocaust and then washed away by rising tides caused by polar ice cap melting before it becomes an issue. Or MAYBE some of the best loved stuff, owned by well managed companies, will live on in some form. Like how I can play crusty old Yars' Revenge on my Xbox One. Nah, that's impossible, only old things are good and the future just sucks. Kids these days. (Adjusts sweater, hikes up trousers) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godslabrat Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 (edited) How far back do you want to go?About 10 years. The last two generations were the point when I had to admit that things were, objectively, worse. For a while, I was trying to convince myself it was personal preference. Edit: I mean, that's how far back you would need to go in order to hit a point where your slump might be someone else's "Golden Age". Now, if you want to know how far back I,personally, want to go... very different question Edited May 27, 2017 by godslabrat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted May 27, 2017 Author Share Posted May 27, 2017 It occurs to me that some of these big games are getting old, but still run new content as a service. SWTOR is 5 years old. WoW is almost 13. Something like Yars' Revenge was cast aside and forgotten by most people after about 4 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
towmater Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 Gartner's hype cycle suggests they were more interesting times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepdreamin Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 The last two generations were the point when I had to admit that things were, objectively, worse. The PS2/PS3 era? Were you asleep that entire time or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted May 27, 2017 Author Share Posted May 27, 2017 Gartner's hype cycle suggests they were more interesting times. For what, video games? Maybe for investors, if not players. I think it's more of a function of age and experience than anything else. One can only go through stuff like this so many times before catching on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godslabrat Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 The PS2/PS3 era? Were you asleep that entire time or something? A lot of the trends took gaming away from what I enjoyed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted May 27, 2017 Author Share Posted May 27, 2017 Then it's subjective, not objective, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+GameGirl420 Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 I love all eras of gaming,but lean towards the 90's era types of games the most. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godslabrat Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 Then it's subjective, not objective, no? It's subjectively objective. . The point I was trying to get at was, the trends that brought he industry down had been at play for a while (objective) but that was the point where I could no longer ignore them (subjective). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zookeeper Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 (edited) It might be, or it might not be. Just because a concept is misused in the past doesn't mean it can't be factual under some other context. An important (in a negative way) fallacy going around is the idea that anyone who says that 'z was better when' is automatically wrong because people have said the same (and likely been wrong) before. I'm not saying you're saying this, just something I've heard floating around the internet. Again, it may be, or it may not be. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. Specifically video games, though? Eh, largely taste I guess. With consoles, I like 8-16 bitters best. Edited May 28, 2017 by Zookeeper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schizophretard Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 I think the past is better in the present future and probably even better in the future present. CRT's are dirt cheap, we have flash carts, console mods, eBay, ROM's, AtariAge, homebrews, etc. It is Golden Aging like a fine wine. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzip Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 There are different things about each era I like and dislike I loved the Atari era, that was a golden age for me, but then I felt like NES ruined games. Then 16-bit games and early-mid 90s PC gaming was another golden era. That was wrecked by too many grey/brown gritty FPSes. Now I am enjoying the PS4, having more fun than I've had in awhile. But what I don't like is people expect every game to deliver a 30 or more hour storyline. We could use more short games with high-replay value. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoshiChiri Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 A lot of the trends took gaming away from what I enjoyed. I hear ya- in my case, it's the damn FPS-es. I'm not a fan of first person shooters. I'm not really a fan of first person anything. So the sheer abundance of FPS has greatly turned me off a lot of modern AAA games. However- it doesn't mean it was better 'back then', just more to my tastes. It also doesn't mean I can't find great things to play now. I like pre-crash shooters. I like 8 & 16 bit sidescrolling platformers. The early CD systems brought me many awesome JRPGs. These days? I tend to keep tabs on the indie stuff. Even though my preference for consoles and physical releases makes a lot of them less than accessible, I still have plenty of artsy-fartsy games to play through. (Especially with Limited Run Games keeping my PS4 overstocked.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted May 30, 2017 Author Share Posted May 30, 2017 First there was pong games then these newfangled space games like Galaxian and Space Invaders came along then platforms. What happened to my space games? then home games. it was clear they would eventually kill arcades then all the arcades were filled with run-to-the-right-and-punch-all-the-guys games then multbutton gamepads. waaah i liked joysticks better then super nintendo. but i just built up my nes collection! then cd games. but i still liked cartridges! what's up with all these fighting games? japan is definitely taking over the home game and arcade space so many driving games finally, windows 95 = plug and play and 3d accelerators they make all the console games look like poop new console again! at least it plays the old playstation games same thing with the handhelds, long live game boy advance hey look, nintendo finally did optical discs ha ha, horse armor valve wants you to play digital games. waaah servers are down what do you mean there's no manual why is my game in a plastic-saving eco-pack? camera games? waggle games? we didn't ask for those multiplayer only? but i hate multiplayer games here come the casuals here comes mobile gaming here comes free to play what do you mean xbone is for watching tv what do you mean i can't trade my games in what do you mean "installing" what is this season pass crap what is this delisting crap always online? but i don't want to be always online long story short, there's always something new to complain about! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polyex Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) I miss owning the physical media. Boxed games are pretty much nonexistent outside of consoles. With regards to music, I always thought that CD's were neat in that they were more convenient but I missed the album experience of the large artwork, easy to read liner notes etc. Digital music downloads have erased all of that experience and I miss it. Edited May 30, 2017 by polyex 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polyex Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 When I first purchased a Nintendo DS for my young daughter a few years ago, I started playing with the three or four carts she had and really enjoyed it. Then I picked up a multicart flash thing for the DS where I could play any game I cared to pirate and copy to a flash card. I actually lost interest in the DS when I had all those choices. There were suddenly dozens upon dozens of games available to me and I just got bored. I think the easy accessibility to media, whether its movie downloads, music downloads or games can be a bit of a curse. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynicaster Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) Perhaps naively, I always thought it went without saying that treatises on the glory of retro games are by nature rooted in personal perspective and are therefore subjective. Comments are usually structured along the lines of "I realize this-and-that is more powerful and advanced in newer games but in spite of that I prefer to play old games because blah blah blah." There is no golden age fallacy in the context of personal tastes; my preference for games like Donkey Kong over games like Uncharted is clear cut and legitimate. Indeed, for me, the notion that "they don't make 'em like they used to" is as real as real can be. Anecdotally, when it comes to comparing then vs. now, I feel that modern gaming advocates are more likely to put forth fallacy-ridden arguments. I can't even count the number of attempts I've seen from modern gaming fans to break down why modern games are objectively superior to games from the 80s -- shading effects! Online play! 3D! Surround sound! -- but in doing so they miss the point entirely. Evidently, they can't see the lawn because the individually-rendered blades of grass are in the way. Edited May 30, 2017 by Cynicaster 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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