Keatah Posted August 30, 2017 Author Share Posted August 30, 2017 Tell me about it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted August 30, 2017 Author Share Posted August 30, 2017 (edited) "MAME source releases in now packaged in one of two ways. If you are running a Windows system, you can download the smaller 7-zip self-extracting archive. If you are on a non-Windows system, you can download the sources as a standard ZIP file. Note that this ZIP file is packaged as a "double ZIP" file, meaning that when you extract the file that you download, it will produce a second large ZIP file which must also be extracted to give you the final sources. This is done to produce what is effectively a "solid" archive and improves the compression ratio of the MAME sources." With the vast amount of storage space available today, do we really need to do this? To me, this is one tiny example of the thinking going on in the mame project these days. Busy-work. Make-work. And another thing, "MAME originally stood for Multiple Arcade Machine Emulator." So, what does it mean now? Finally! "Handheld LCD game additions have slowed down." But for how long? Hopefully forever. Edited August 30, 2017 by Keatah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke75 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 The built in UI is a disaster. It is so very clearly written by people who know noting about designing and testing UI's. It's absolutely horrid. I stopped grabbing new versions because I finally got a version that worked for what I wanted. I won't upgrade Mame again. For every fix they make to a game, something else breaks. And you know what - if you're just a user, they basically hate you anyway. There were some good Mame UI's for Windows, but even the developers of those were attacked by Mame guys.... It's a great project, but damn, they're miserable b*astards. I can't say I've had any contact with the MAME guys (maybe that's good!), but frustration with the UI is how I ended up using Launchbox as a frontend for MAME (and some other stuff). It's served me well, although it's not the only option out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted August 30, 2017 Author Share Posted August 30, 2017 Probably a good thing, just as bad as the Linux gang. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jblenkle Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 I use the MameUI version and was somewhat surprised when they merged Mame & Mess. I have yet to figure out, however, if you run an emulated computer how do you exit out of it? For the games, of course, hitting ESC does the trick. But if I run say an Amstrad computer, ESC does nothing and I stay in the emulation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_me Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 With an emulated computer the full keyboard is emulated and keys like escape and tab do what they normally would on the emulated computer. You can toggle the emulated keyboard on/off with the "scroll lock" key. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzip Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 With an emulated computer the full keyboard is emulated and keys like escape and tab do what they normally would on the emulated computer. You can toggle the emulated keyboard on/off with the "scroll lock" key. This, the only problem is some newer keyboards have eliminated the "scroll lock" key. I have one of those mechanical-type keyboards with back lighting. The key to control the backlighting is where the scroll-lock used to be. I had to remap this key to something else to use mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jblenkle Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Thanks! That works! Now that I think about it...what the heck does the SCROLL LOCK key on a keyboard do? I certainly have never used it. With an emulated computer the full keyboard is emulated and keys like escape and tab do what they normally would on the emulated computer. You can toggle the emulated keyboard on/off with the "scroll lock" key. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osgeld Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Thanks! That works! Now that I think about it...what the heck does the SCROLL LOCK key on a keyboard do? I certainly have never used it. its for moving cursor positions around (though it can really be mapped to anything) about the only use I know for it on anything mainstream is in excel... but to tell you how much I use it I just looked at my work computer and neither the keyboard I am using, nor the one on the laptop actually have it, and I have been using this keyboard for like 4 years before noticing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inky Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Too bad there isn't a release without all the MahJong games 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_me Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Too bad there isn't a release without all the MahJong gamesSee here for arcade mame. http://atariage.com/forums/topic/268578-mame-just-bloated-up-again-post-new-mame-bloat-here/?p=3821698 Even the full mame is only 50MB and that includes a frontend. I don't even notice the mahjong games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumpman1981 Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 (edited) I guess they made a real MESS of this one! (ba-dum tss!) Edited October 7, 2017 by Jumpman1981 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S1500 Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 I just tried the Arcade64 build, and it's a lot better. Sure, took forever to read the ROM list, but games were playing. I think even the GUI got cleaned up a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted October 8, 2017 Author Share Posted October 8, 2017 Is that an official build by the mame team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_me Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Arcade64 and arcade32 are just front-ends. Official mame is required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S1500 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 But it's easy to graft onto mame. Just copy and file and bam. done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted November 16, 2017 Author Share Posted November 16, 2017 Why does mame bother with software lists? Some systems have 20,000 titles and variants, and they change checksums if you save hi-scores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Trebor Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Why does mame bother with software lists? Some systems have 20,000 titles and variants... MAME ultimately desires the cleanest/purest dumps for its software lists. Similar to what is archived by this project and unlike this one. For example, listing all pirated hacks of Archon under the C64 is not desired, but a clean dump of the EA original disk would be instead. ...and they change checksums if you save hi-scores. Depends on how you manage the software: Selecting "write to diff" or "write to another image" will not change the original. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted November 17, 2017 Author Share Posted November 17, 2017 (edited) The most desirable image is the one that is available, works, and is distributed among several backup points. But yes, hacks should be corralled and contained and labeled as alternates. Edited November 17, 2017 by Keatah 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_me Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 Im not sure the reasons for the software lists. Maybe it's to address different memory configurations by some cartridges or something similar. I know with Intellivision, the software list is optional and you can go straight to file. Same with Coleco Adam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesD Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Who the hell thought it was a good idea to merge MESS and MAME? If I had a dollar for every computer emulation that was broken in that step... I pretty much used MESS for all the oddball machines I wanted to play with, and now many of those are unusable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesD Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 You know the worst thing about Mame developers? The Mame Developers. They are the rudest bunch of condescending a**holes I've ever had the misfortune to communicate with. God forbid you ever ask them abut playing a game, or make a suggestion. Goodness no - they'll blast you for not liking what you get. The built in UI is a disaster. It is so very clearly written by people who know noting about designing and testing UI's. It's absolutely horrid. I stopped grabbing new versions because I finally got a version that worked for what I wanted. I won't upgrade Mame again. For every fix they make to a game, something else breaks. And you know what - if you're just a user, they basically hate you anyway. There were some good Mame UI's for Windows, but even the developers of those were attacked by Mame guys.... It's a great project, but damn, they're miserable b*astards. I've noticed that about several emulator authors. It's an ego thing and heaven forbid you bruise that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_me Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 (edited) If I had a dollar for every computer emulation that was broken in that step... I pretty much used MESS for all the oddball machines I wanted to play with, and now many of those are unusable. Which ones are broken? I've only used a few but haven't had a problem so far. ------- Regarding software lists; Mame/mess likes to keep the cartridge rom chip images as seperate files, ie one file per chip for cartridges that have two or three rom chips. The other emulators tend to merge the images for the two or three rom chips on the cartridge into a single file. The mame software lists will have the info on the different chip image files for those cartridges that have more than one. Edited November 27, 2017 by mr_me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted November 28, 2017 Author Share Posted November 28, 2017 I've noticed that about several emulator authors. It's an ego thing and heaven forbid you bruise that. ..and it's on the rise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share Posted January 22, 2018 I'm pleased to have found that other people think the same way, about mame and other emulator bloat. comp.sys.apple.2 newgroup. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.sys.apple2/mr5VkbwrcEA The only advantage to this high-level Bloat-O-Code being churned out these days is ease of maintainability and cross-platform availability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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