carlsson Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Apparently more or less Spanish speaking people have discussed this multiple times. I believe it depends on which part of the world you're in, if both lemons and limes are available. http://www.spanishdict.com/answers/162219/lime-limn-or-lima Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+nanochess Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Here in México the "limón" is a round green acid fruit that we use typically to add taste to fish or to make lemonade. The "limón" is green but will come yellow as it matures. It's exactly what intvnut shows in the Lay's bag (called Sabritas here) Nobody here buys yellow lemons because these tend to be bitter or spoiled food, defeating the purpose of the acid taste. The limes in the other side, are slightly sweet fruits, looking like lemons, but these are more spherical and have "tips" at top and bottom. These also start as green color and turn progresively into yellow. But just learnt by checking the Wikipedia I'm discovering that American people only knows about the yellow lemon with "tips" ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemon So in fact atari2600land is right and all my discussion is pointless Anyway if you come to Mexico, ask for your beer with salt and lemon, not lime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DZ-Jay Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Here in México the "limón" is an acid fruit that we use typically to add taste to fish or to make lemonade. The "limón" is green but will come yellow as it matures. It's exactly what intvnut shows in the Lay's bag (called Sabritas here) Nobody here buys yellow lemons because these tend to be bitter or spoiled food, defeating the purpose of the acid taste. Yes, but the lime (lima) is a different fruit, and it never turns yellow, even as it ripens. Limes are smaller and a bit rounder than a lemon, and contain much more acid. Apparently, they were two different citrus fruits introduced by the Moors to the Mediterranean and the words "limón" and "lima" are variations that come from Arabian Andalusí. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsson Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) Last time I visited the grocery store, they had a sign that limes (the round green ones) turn yellow when they ripen and become sweeter. I would suppose there are many different limes as well. If you check the link I posted above, it very much seems to be a regional thing even among the native Spanish speakers which words are used for which fruit depending on what is grown or imported to the country. See also the note by Babazita that the very same confusion happens in Portuguese, if you compare the words used in Portugal with the words used in Brazil. Personally I think the bright yellow lemon used by Atari2600land is the right colour, or at least the architype of how you expect a lemon to look like. Edit: Of course, Atari2600land might want to rename the game to "My History Teacher Ate Yellow Citrus Fruits With Pointy Ends That Are Rarely Available South of the US Border". Edited January 2, 2018 by carlsson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DZ-Jay Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Last time I visited the grocery store, they had a sign that limes (the round green ones) turn yellow when they ripen and become sweeter. I would suppose there are many different limes as well. If you check the link I posted above, it very much seems to be a regional thing even among the native Spanish speakers which words are used for which fruit depending on what is grown or imported to the country. Personally I think the bright yellow lemon used by Atari2600land is the right colour, or at least the architype of how you expect a lemon to look like. They are different varieties of Citrus medica. https://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/l/lemon-16.html Citrus aurantifolia https://www.botanical-online.com/english/lime.htm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lime_(fruit) Citrus limonum https://www.botanical-online.com/english/lemon-food.htm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemon That people call it by different names in various regions does not change the fact that they are different fruits. In places where both varieties are available, this distinction is important because the fruit's flavour, fragrance, and acid content are significantly different. I lament that some people perpetuate this confusion by not distinguishing them when they are both available (like I said happens now in Puerto Rico), because an unripened lemon, which is green, does not taste the same as a ripened lime, which is also green but more acidic. When only one variety is available, or one is more common than the other (like nanochess mentioned about Mexico), this is not really a problem. However, in Puerto Rico we have uses for both so calling them the same is not nice. -dZ. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+atari2600land Posted January 2, 2018 Author Share Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) It's great that the lemon is actually getting in the limelight. I mean lemonlight. I had no idea that there was a green lemon. Makes me want to put a few in the game. Edited January 2, 2018 by atari2600land 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+atari2600land Posted January 2, 2018 Author Share Posted January 2, 2018 For the record, I just thought that lemon (United States) = lemon (everywhere else in the world.) The cool thing about the internet is you learn stuff since there's so many people in different countries on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsson Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 In case the game won't have any definitive ending, you could use background music by Limahl. Otherwise I'd suggest something by Jack Lemmon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DZ-Jay Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 In case the game won't have any definitive ending, you could use background music by Limahl. Otherwise I'd suggest something by Jack Lemmon. Limahl? Ooooh! I love the Never Ending Story! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvbkMpssrjU Ahhh... Italo Disco... my youth is calling! -dZ. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Spear Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 It's time to make this even more pointless. AFAIK in El Salvador, there are no such thing as lemons. It's all limes. Here is some alternate music for the game, might sound good on the title screen or maybe as background for play (it is long and repetitive, should probably be cut up using the new MUSIC syntax/capability). Mode 0,1,0,1,0WaitBorder 1,0Scroll 4,4,0For borderNew=0 to 200 Step 20 : Poke $200+borderNew, $2000: Poke $213+borderNew, $2000 : Next borderNewWaitWaitPrint At 21 Color 7 , "NeverEndingStory"Print At 141 Color 5 , "Restart: Top side"Print At 161 Color 6 , "Exit: Bottom side"ecsCheck = peek($4000)Poke $4000 , ecsCheck + 1If Peek($4000) = ecsCheck + 1 thenPrint At 81 Color 4 , "(PSG+ECS) "ElsePrint At 81 Color 4 , "(PSG only)"End IfWaitPlay Full No DrumsWaitPlay NeverEndingStoryWaitGoto PlayLoopPlayLoop:WaitIf Cont.B0 Then Wait : Play Off : Wait : Play NeverEndingStoryIf Cont.B1 Then Goto ExitThisIf Cont.B2 Then Goto ExitThisWaitGoto PlayLoopExitThis:WaitPrint At 213 Color (Rand and 7) , "Bye."For spinWait = 0 to 5WaitNextPlay OffASM ORG $A000NeverEndingStory:Data 6Music - , - , -Music C3Y , C4X , C6Music S , S , C6Music C3 , C4 , G6Music S , C5 , C6Music C3 , S , G6Music S , S , G5Music C3 , C4 , C6Music S , S , G6Music C3 , C4 , C6Music S , S , C6Music C3 , C4 , G6Music S , C5 , 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It's exactly what intvnut shows in the Lay's bag (called Sabritas here)Nobody here buys yellow lemons because these tend to be bitter or spoiled food, defeating the purpose of the acid taste.The limes in the other side, are slightly sweet fruits, looking like lemons, but these are more spherical and have "tips" at top and bottom. These also start as green color and turn progresively into yellow.But just learnt by checking the Wikipedia I'm discovering that American people only knows about the yellow lemon with "tips" ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LemonSo in fact atari2600land is right and all my discussion is pointless Anyway if you come to Mexico, ask for your beer with salt and lemon, not lime 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsson Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Out of boredom, I tried my SID2INTY conversion process on a related song. This time the result was not pretty and at a song speed of 1, I suppose playing music is all the CPU gets to do. ivorytower.zip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+atari2600land Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 For those wondering of the fate of this game, I returned to it since Kevin Vs. Tomatoes for the Channel F got pretty much done. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+atari2600land Posted April 25, 2018 Author Share Posted April 25, 2018 Decided to continue work on this game. BTW, I had quite the time trying to convert this into a gif. Apparently, imvtogif does not like underscores in the file name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intvnut Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 BTW, I had quite the time trying to convert this into a gif. Apparently, imvtogif does not like underscores in the file name. I'd like to see what command line you were having trouble with. AFAICT, imvtogif doesn't care one whit about underscores, which is good, as jzIntv's default output file names have underscores. I'm not denying you had issues w/ imvtogif. I'm just having a hard time pinning it on underscores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+atari2600land Posted April 25, 2018 Author Share Posted April 25, 2018 Hm, how odd. I added an underscore to my batch file and it works. I wonder why I had trouble the first time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+atari2600land Posted May 3, 2021 Author Share Posted May 3, 2021 I don't think I posted the link to the commercial I made for the game. ad for the game I made the ad. This is perhaps the first Intv homebrew game with a commercial. It didn't air anywhere though. I wonder how much it would cost to get my local station to air this. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+fdr4prez Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 Those lemons in the commercial sounds like Buffalo Bill Spoiler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+atari2600land Posted August 14 Author Share Posted August 14 3 years later, work continues... It says 2024 because I don't think I'll be able to finish it this year. This is perhaps my most ambitious INTV game yet. I want to plan to add in some different endings depending on the number of lemons Fred gets, but I don't know if I'll have room after the 9 levels I want to put in. Right now the game stands at 36k. What is the size limit? I ask so I can better plan what I can put in the game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsson Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 36 kilobytes or 36 kilowords? An unbanked game can be up to 84 kilobytes (42 kilowords or kilodecles). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+atari2600land Posted August 14 Author Share Posted August 14 36 kilobytes. I'm almost half filled then. Right now I'm on level 3. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsson Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 I'd imagine some of the code and/or data could be optimised if there is a space issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+atari2600land Posted August 14 Author Share Posted August 14 I added some more stuff in and it got to be 38.5k, but I was able to reduce it down to 37.5k. The whole thing is about 2,500 lines of code, and yet most of it seems needed. This background color seems more desert-like. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+atari2600land Posted August 15 Author Share Posted August 15 Is there any way to simplify this? #card = #backtab((many - 10) / 8 * 20 + (manx - 2) / 8) AND $0FF8 IF #card > 261 * 8 and #card < 274 * 8 THEN dir=0 #card = #backtab((many - 10) / 8 * 20 + (manx - 8) / 8) AND $0FF8 IF #card > 261 * 8 and #card < 274 * 8 THEN dir=0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+atari2600land Posted August 15 Author Share Posted August 15 Since I couldn't simplify the code, I ended up simplifying other code. The reason I wanted to simplify it was because things were slowing down if the guy moved diagonally. But after trying to no avail, I thought perhaps if I attempted to simplify other parts of the code loop it would work. And it did. So here is version 53. lemons53.rom 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DZ-Jay Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 6 hours ago, atari2600land said: Is there any way to simplify this? #card = #backtab((many - 10) / 8 * 20 + (manx - 2) / 8) AND $0FF8 IF #card > 261 * 8 and #card < 274 * 8 THEN dir=0 #card = #backtab((many - 10) / 8 * 20 + (manx - 8) / 8) AND $0FF8 IF #card > 261 * 8 and #card < 274 * 8 THEN dir=0 I could help you, but I would like to know what the code is trying to do. It seems it is trying to do bounding box collision detection, by testing the cards under the left and right edges of the sprite. Is this correct? If so, I think it could be done differently. For starters, you want want to compute the BACKTAB address only once from a relative position, say, the center of the sprite. Checking adjacent cards can then be done simply by adding or subtracting 1 to the address, avoiding the expensive computation. Also, knowing whether the sprite is touching one card or another is easy by dividing its coordinates by 8 and checking the remainder (i.e., manx % 8). A value greater than 2 means the sprite is touching the far (right) side (like: manx + 8), otherwise it is touching the close (left) side (like: manx + 2). You see, the sprite cannot be in two places at once, so it’s a matter of checking it’s offset to a card boundary to determine whether it is one one side or the other of that boundary. With that information at hand, you can then check the appropriate card underneath. dZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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