ebay returns

[Tanooki]

When I listed these items I didn't know about the writing. I might look for it when I sell manuals in future listings but I really do not consider it common sense in a listing like this and I'd only be doing it to protect against returns. Selling in a lot like this and shipping for free, and selling at the negotiated price of $30, these manuals are going for something like $1.75 each, and the carts for something like $5 each, (1.75x4 + 5x4=27, ... think I was able to ship these for $3?). Those are unbelievable prices for eBay and I maintain that they do not warrant any further inspection than I gave them.

And with that I'm losing any pity for your situation. You taking the angle because it's cheap enough therefore I shouldn't care is basically asking for it. If I sell a manual and it has a mark in it I've personally mentioned it, same with stains, tears, or whatever else not evident from the outside, sometimes a picture folded open and it doesn't matter to me if it's a $2 or a $20 manual. Ebay video game buyers I assume are all potential assholes looking to pull a buck back after reading years of 'this dude pulled that...' on ebay posts at NintendoAge, Racketboy, Digital Press, other forms of media. You either learn to assume you're potentially dealing with shit because otherwise it's on you, and it stinks.

 

That said, if it were me and I wanted Vectrex stuff I'd have not flinched to pay that whether the manuals were awesome or not, but I'm not a horses ass about writing in a manufacturers intended writing section in a manual.

[Mats90245]

I’ve sold quite a bit of Atari stuff on eBay over the last 10+ years and never thought about that. I’ve seen scores written in the instructions and kinda thought it was a bonus. That said, I’m not claiming they are MINT if there’s writing on it.

 

Now writing on the box or cart is different. Though kinda common, I see that as lowering the value for some reason, maybe because the instructions seem like the logical place to write your high scores.

[gliptitude]

Yes the price is relevant don't be ridiculous. It is a commercial transaction.

[Mats90245]

Reason number too-high-to-count why I no longer sell on ebay.

Agreed. I reluctantly have sold stuff over the last few months, but only because it was desperately needed to clean out my collection. I used to sell individual games but now put things in huge lots to minimize my “exposure” to the eBay losers. There’s a small group that work the system and take advantage of the fact that ebay completely sides with the buyers in nearly all cases. If you have 50 auctions a week, you’re sure to deal with partial refunds, returns, etc.

 

I now use terms like :

 

Because I’m selling 30 year old video games, everything is sold as-is.

Please contact me prior to bidding with any questions regarding this auction.

See photos for what’s included and condition of all items (I stopped even listing what’s included and just show a photo)

 

Would love there to be another option to sell stuff and get a good price, but we’re trapped for now

[RamrodHare]

I blocked johli64 as a bidder/buyer. I also checked out the items he had for sale. I was really hoping to find something with a manual so I could be a jackass and ask him if the manual had writing in it. I read some of his infantile whining on NintendoAge. The guy comes across as having some kind of issues in my opinion. Kind of like those protesters that were in the middle of a freeway at night and were surprised when one of them got hit by a car. (There's a youtube video somewhere if anyone wants to see it, I don't feel like looking for the link.)

As far as the stuff he's selling on eBay, he doesn't go into much detail in his descriptions, so I don't see how he can bitch about other people's listings. I considered messaging him about an Atari Flashback joystick he has listed as a 2600 joystick, but he does mention it's a "newer" joystick, so I wasn't sure I could really rant much about it.

[Tanooki]

So you're saying he's a whiny video game equal of a social justice warrior who feels the need to complain about anything to level the playing field to their perception of fairness in reality?

 

 

I have some valid questions that seem deserved.

Rocket Power GBA - He says it's complete. Ask him if the inside of the box has a tray. Ask him if it's complete does it have all the other printed materials and if the original plastic baggy for the game is in the box.

And why are you listing Midway's Greatest Arcade Hits and Operation Armored Liberty both for GBA as complete because neither have the baggy and maybe the tray and other potential inserts since they're not shown.

 

If he wants to split hairs about omitting things while bringing attitude about stuff not being specifically told and/or shown in a listing then he should be accountable for that too.

[HoshiChiri]

Do you also feel that used notebooks shouldn’t have writing in them? Used copy paper should be blank? Used punch cards shouldn’t have holes punched in them? Used games with internal save memory should be erased? Used ink cartridges should be full?

 

The “Score Record” part of this manual was intended to be USED for writing your scores. It is not a “defect.” It is a direct consequence of intended use for the defined purpose. Speaking of “defined purpose:” the rest of these English words have very clear English meanings/definitions. Logic says that, yes, such writing DOES fall under “normal wear and tear.” There shouldn’t even be a debate. What planet are you from?

 

Sheesh, that's unnecessarily hostile.

 

For the record, yes, if I'm crazy enough to be buying secondhand notebooks/copy paper/punch cards on Ebay, I expect them to be un-used (or lightly used, with that noted in the description). I would expect ink cartridges to be mostly full. It affects my use of said items. (I don't mind save files on carts, I can erase those myself. In fact, having them present saves me the trouble of confirming the battery works.)

 

In the case of game manuals- what if I want to write down my own scores? If the table's full, I can't do that. It's something worth noting, it could be considered a defect of condition becuase it affects your use of the item. It could also affect the item's overall condition as it ages, depending on the archival quality of the ink.

 

You DID see the part where I said I'd NEVER DEMAND A REFUND FOR WRITING IN A USED MANUAL, right? I've received several manuals with writing. Sometimes in the margins instead of on a memo page. Sometimes when I bought the manual stand-alone, so you'd think they'd point it out being the sole product of sale and all. I do the same thing every time- I think 'aww, dammit', then I put it away in the case & forget about it. Becuase it's an expected ​defect when buying used games- like broken hinges on a CD jewel case. It's not a big deal. What the hell you freakin' out at me for?

[icemanxp300]

What the hell you freakin' out at me for?

 

He's freaking out on you because you are siding w/the fact you believe sellers should write a 10 page description exposing every flaw of a USED manual. If you are wanting a specific quality I highly suggest you search for that specific quality. Either buy new or something listed as very good or like new.

 

Ebay has different levels of condition and as such people should learn how to use them.

 

Writing is not really a defect, a defect is something that happens at the factory. I agree writing is undesirable HOWEVER so is creases, dents, rips, missing pages, and so on. A USED item usually contains some level of usage whether noticeable or not. Writing is usage.

 

If the OP listed this item as Like New, the buyer would be totally in the right over being pissed off with writing in the manuals. The fact this was listed as used, he has no case. He got a used item. It is not the sellers responsibility to highlight every flaw when doing a whole sale used listing.

[HoshiChiri]

 

He's freaking out on you because you are siding w/the fact you believe sellers should write a 10 page description exposing every flaw of a USED manual. If you are wanting a specific quality I highly suggest you search for that specific quality. Either buy new or something listed as very good or like new.

 

 

I DO. I still get writing. AND I DON'T CARE THAT MUCH. You people seem really pissed that I'm mildly disappointed with written in manuals.

 

And who said 10 page descriptions? "Game is in good condition. Manual has writing. Ask me any questions." It's not that hard.

[icemanxp300]

If it was me, I'd be annoyed- I don't consider writing to be 'normal wear and tear', that's something along the lines of dogeared/fuzzy corners, slight sunfade, minor creases and fingermarks, etc. Writing is a specific defect that was put there intentionally at some point.

 

 

I DO. I still get writing. AND I DON'T CARE THAT MUCH. You people seem really pissed that I'm mildly disappointed with written in manuals.

 

And who said 10 page descriptions? "Game is in good condition. Manual has writing. Ask me any questions." It's not that hard.

 

Writing is NOT a defect, writing is wear from usage.

 

It has nothing to do with what you like or don't like. I am probably the most OCD collector in here and guess what, when I buy an item I want in like new condition I sure as hell am NOT buying a used wholesale lot with 1 picture!

 

Our problem with you is NOT whether you care about writing in a manual or not. It is the fact you think people should bend over backwards to scrutinize worthless items. You buy a used item with one picture you get what you get.

 

Now here is MY listing on a manual that actually deserves details. Now if you get THIS manual with writing in it then ya you have a claim!

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Orignal-Authentic-Konami-Sunset-Riders-Manual-ONLY-Snes-Super-Nintendo-NO-GAME/272915824388?hash=item3f8b0cff04:g:2rEAAOSwyP5Z~n3X

[CZroe]

 

Sheesh, that's unnecessarily hostile.

 

For the record, yes, if I'm crazy enough to be buying secondhand notebooks/copy paper/punch cards on Ebay, I expect them to be un-used (or lightly used, with that noted in the description). I would expect ink cartridges to be mostly full. It affects my use of said items. (I don't mind save files on carts, I can erase those myself. In fact, having them present saves me the trouble of confirming the battery works.)

 

In the case of game manuals- what if I want to write down my own scores? If the table's full, I can't do that. It's something worth noting, it could be considered a defect of condition becuase it affects your use of the item. It could also affect the item's overall condition as it ages, depending on the archival quality of the ink.

 

You DID see the part where I said I'd NEVER DEMAND A REFUND FOR WRITING IN A USED MANUAL, right? I've received several manuals with writing. Sometimes in the margins instead of on a memo page. Sometimes when I bought the manual stand-alone, so you'd think they'd point it out being the sole product of sale and all. I do the same thing every time- I think 'aww, dammit', then I put it away in the case & forget about it. Becuase it's an expected ​defect when buying used games- like broken hinges on a CD jewel case. It's not a big deal. What the hell you freakin' out at me for?

Or, perhaps people should have thicker skin if they choose to speak publicly without a irrefutable logic.

 

The reason why I wasn't more gentle is psychology: People resist changing their mind after they internalize their beliefs. By not hitting hard and fast while emphasizing that our position is irrefutable, we risk having you attempt to rationalize your position and refute it anyway, after which you will see any contradiction as a threat and respond defensively, the same as any physical threat. It looks like I was too late, so now we are in the weeds.

 

*sigh*

 

You almost distinguish between a second-hand unused item but then you say that you expect them to be unused. You seemingly forget that the items in question were specifically described as "used," not secondhand with full, original, usability. Again, following logic and the words as defined in the English language, your statement is irrefutably wrong about the writing in these manuals. Let's look at that word: "Irrefutable." I used that word to head off an attempt to refute it... to stop you from internalizing it if I was able to get through to you early enough... but as anyone who has studied internalized "core beliefs" can tell you, this does not stop people from irrationally defending indefensible logic.

 

So let's consider your responses. If I buy a "used" punch card, it doesn't mean I intend to use it as it was originally intended. I may be buying it because it was Bill Gate's old punch cart from before he quit college or because it came from some historical place. I might buy a used notebook because it contains a famous artist's musings. I might buy used ink cartridges to modify and refill. In fact, I recently have. I spent $175 on a full set of EMPTY Epson T58 carts and I bought them from someone else who bought them used/empty. He bought them that way specifically so that he could extract the unusable remnants of ink and sell the resettable chips to others who buy refillable carts from China, so there's another reason to buy a completely used-up item that's already even less useful than a 0% cart. FYI: Modern ink carts are supposed to hit 0% and stop printing before air gets in the lines to avoid clogging the print head or wasting ink to purge air from the lines.

 

Just like you can easily erase a save yourself (not always; see the 3DS Resident Evil game from launch or even something like Super Mario RPG), you can easily erase, white out, or add more scores to your manual... even if you have to add a sheet to do it. Regardless, using up the available space really is a poor argument when the product itself was already described as used with no guarantee of available space. I'm just being real with you. If you are going to have a public stance on any of this then you either need to have thick enough skin to accept a public response or be able to defend your logic. If your position is factually and logically incorrect, manning up is preferable to continuing to rationalizing your position in public ("digging your hole deeper"). I hit hard in an attempt to avert the exact kind of back-and-forth we just started having.

 

Now, why do I care? Because I literally lose sleep at night from "nightmare" buyers like the one the OP is dealing with. Yes, I call them "nightmare" buyers because they literally cause nightmares about how I would handle some necessary expense if a buyer screwed me at a particularly vulnerable moment. I can't have my credit ruined and be unable to pay rent/mortgage, car loan, etc just because I dared to offer high-value items on eBay and got slapped with an unexpected and unavoidable refund. I take any defense of that behavior personally. Perhaps that means that I am the one who has internalized a belief, but my rationalizations appear 100% logical to me. If they are not, I'd appreciate you pointing out where my logic is flawed. That's how proper arguments are conducted.

Edited January 8, 2018 by CZroe

[CZroe]

 

I DO. I still get writing. AND I DON'T CARE THAT MUCH. You people seem really pissed that I'm mildly disappointed with written in manuals.

 

And who said 10 page descriptions? "Game is in good condition. Manual has writing. Ask me any questions." It's not that hard.

It's not that you were mildly disappointed. It's that you perpetuated something factually wrong that leads to this sort of unjustly entitled buyer:

"Writing is a specific defect that was put there intentionally at some point."

 

Demonstrably incorrect. The statement would not withstand legal scrutiny based on strict interpretation and, clearly, it does not withstand the scrutiny of your peers.

[HoshiChiri]

Oh my god, FINE- it's some other word than 'defect'. Doesn't change the fact that it's something most people would prefer mentioned specifically, or this whole damn thread wouldn't exist.

 

Also doesn't change the fact that it's stupid for the buyer of this specific auction to have expected a writing-free set of manuals.

 

MOVING ON!

[CZroe]

Oh my god, FINE- it's some other word than 'defect'. Doesn't change the fact that it's something most people would prefer mentioned specifically, or this whole damn thread wouldn't exist.

 

Also doesn't change the fact that it's stupid for the buyer of this specific auction to have expected a writing-free set of manuals.

 

MOVING ON!

Agreed on all counts. If that was what you said before, we would not have had this exchange. Thanks! I just worried that, as it was stated before, it could be used to set a precedent for someone else to call writing as intended a "defect."

[Mats90245]

Yes he was explaining how eBay makes it is possible for an overly entitled customer to lord it over a seller, and that this has been a progressive development. That has been my observation too and it is impossible for me not to attribute the experience I am having with this customer in part to a systemic problem in that community. It is not an isolated incident and the way it is set up ENCOURAGES the domineering OCD tendencies of consumers who are prone to that sort of behaviour.

I didn't put four antique video games together in a single photo and sell them for half their value expecting that someone wanted to put them in a fuc!<ing museum. It is a commercial transaction. It is a remote and relatively insignificant commercial transaction. It was a commercial transaction that was made CASUALLY by the buyer and with no prior inquiry at all from that person. THAT IS NOT HOW YOU ATTAIN MINT CONDITION ITEMS, unless you are lucky or.. unless you manipulate the fuc!< out of strangers on eBay.

YES I'M THE SELLER!

This item shipped like a week ago, while the buyer was on vacation apparently. Now my money is on hold. I am being asked to accept a return, PAY to have the items shipped back to me, and give the "buyer" all of his money back. I didn't charge him for shipping in the first place so that is my expense also. THE RISK IS ENTIRELY ON THE SELLER. Ebay is a risk for sellers. EBay isn't a risk for buyers and eBay isn't a risk for eBay. But THE SELLERS ARE THE EBAY CUSTOMERS. They collect their commission from me. Paypal collects their commission from me. I buy the postage from them.

When a buyer requests a return the seller is discouraged from refusing. There is a multiple choice array to choose from: refund the buyer, offer partial refund, offer another item, send the buyer a message.. There is no option to decline the buyer's request. It is a coercive system bent on making the takers happy no matter what, like internet pornography, which I guess is what I'm competing with.

I’d pay to have the item shipped back and resell them. Sounds like you can get more for them and you’ll be clear of the guy who’s complaining.

 

Love the idea of putting together a list of people to block based on our collective experiences. I know I’ll be adding at least one name after reading this thread

[gliptitude]

Our problem with you is NOT whether you care about writing in a manual or not. It is the fact you think people should bend over backwards to scrutinize worthless items. You buy a used item with one picture you get what you get.

E X A C T L Y ! Hello? Anybody in there? Yes I heard what you said and I understand your feelings. But your feelings do not dictate the fuc/<ing contract that we have. It is an wholesale principle failure that eBay panders to buyers to the extent that it does and it fundamentally undermines the buyer/seller/eBay relationship. IT IS NOT A GOOD FAITH RELATIONSHIP.

 

It has nothing to do with what you like or don't like. I am probably the most OCD collector in here and guess what, when I buy an item I want in like new condition I sure as hell am NOT buying a used wholesale lot with 1 picture!

YESSSSSS!

 

THE SCALE OF THE THING MATTERS. I am not fucXing Walmart. I am a man. I am not an image of a man. I am not a digital copy of a man selling digital copies of products. I didn't sell you a picture of Vectrex games and I didn't email them to you. There is a material reality to the situation which is being discounted to the point of oblivion.

 

We know how you feel, (let's say at this point hypothetical manual nazi buyer), and we knew how you felt from the beginning. Want to know how I feel? When I receive messages like the intitial return request I received I feel like I am being exposed to a dirty family secret that is really none of my business. I feel like I am being asked to condone this secret. And when I decline to do so and you appeal to eBay, I feel as if you are attributing your family secret to a software glitch. It is complete madness!

[bojay1997]

E X A C T L Y ! Hello? Anybody in there? Yes I heard what you said and I understand your feelings. But your feelings do not dictate the fuc/<ing contract that we have. It is an wholesale principle failure that eBay panders to buyers to the extent that it does and it fundamentally undermines the buyer/seller/eBay relationship. IT IS NOT A GOOD FAITH RELATIONSHIP.

 

 

YESSSSSS!

 

THE SCALE OF THE THING MATTERS. I am not fucXing Walmart. I am a man. I am not an image of a man. I am not a digital copy of a man selling digital copies of products. I didn't sell you a picture of Vectrex games and I didn't email them to you. There is a material reality to the situation which is being discounted to the point of oblivion.

 

We know how you feel, (let's say at this point hypothetical manual nazi buyer), and we knew how you felt from the beginning. Want to know how I feel? When I receive messages like the intitial return request I received I feel like I am being exposed to a dirty family secret that is really none of my business. I feel like I am being asked to condone this secret. And when I decline to do so and you appeal to eBay, I feel as if you are attributing your family secret to a software glitch. It is complete madness!

It doesn't matter if you're Walmart or a guy that sells one item in a ten year period. The standard should be the same. I'm starting to doubt that you really want to invite a healthy discussion and are just looking for blind support for your position. Frankly, some of the things that have been posted here attacking people that share differing opinions are pretty disturbing. In the end, it doesn't matter what anyone here thinks. Ebay has procedures and they will blindly apply them, most likely not in a way that will be in your financial interest. As mostly a buyer and rarely a seller, I think Ebay favoring buyers is just smart business and while I have no doubt that there is fraud and other misconduct among some buyers, the majority of buyers are reasonable and rational and it's just a cost of doing business if sometimes as a seller you get stung. If you don't like it, there are many alternatives to Ebay including selling on forums or Craigslist or in person but in exchange for all the benefits Ebay provides, there are clearly costs for sellers that go beyond listing fees and final value.

[icemanxp300]

the majority of buyers are reasonable and rational and it's just a cost of doing business if sometimes as a seller you get stung. If you don't like it, there are many alternatives to Ebay including selling on forums or Craigslist or in person but in exchange for all the benefits Ebay provides, there are clearly costs for sellers that go beyond listing fees and final value.

 

Oh BS. I have a similar theory. As a buyer you sometimes get screwed, suck it up that's just the cost of purchasing on ebay. If you don't like it, there are many alternatives to Ebay including buying on forums or Craigslist or in person.

 

Doesn't so sound nice now does it when it's on the other end.

 

Why the hell should a seller be the only one who gets screwed? If a seller is at fault then they should own up. If a buyer is unreasonable ban their ass and call it a day!

[CZroe]

In reality, Wal-mart and other retailers do not dictate standards of private transactions between other individuals. They are loose with their returns because it’s part of their business model. I can’t just order more of whatever expensive or out-of-production collectibles or big-ticket items I get screwed out of on eBay. I can’t just eat a loss and make it up with the earned customer loyalty and the breadth of my other offerings. My business model is only possible based on the literal interpretation of my rights as dictated by the contract between eBay, the buyer, and me.

 

Yes, there is a contract. It is written with words that have meaning and it is easily understood before anyone commits to the exchange. The buyer here violated all good faith and reasonable interpretation of that contract for personal benefit at the expected expense of someone else. It’s absolutely indefensible. STOP DEFENDING IT.

 

Perhaps I feel so passionately because my “day job” primarily involves catching people who abuse my employer’s policy for fraudulent purposes. Yes, my employer is a retailer. I’ve had to go to court for them to fight abusers numerous times. These people had no idea who I was before that because I monitored their fraud and caught it from behind the scenes. I take it personally. Those people are directly taking from us even if they think switching a tag or committing return fraud “isn’t really stealing.” It absolutely is. When you do those things, you stole the value we lost and it directly impacts our ability to continue doing business.

Edited January 8, 2018 by CZroe

[Tanooki]

 

Oh BS. I have a similar theory. As a buyer you sometimes get screwed, suck it up that's just the cost of purchasing on ebay. If you don't like it, there are many alternatives to Ebay including buying on forums or Craigslist or in person.

 

Doesn't so sound nice now does it when it's on the other end.

 

Why the hell should a seller be the only one who gets screwed? If a seller is at fault then they should own up. If a buyer is unreasonable ban their ass and call it a day!

Bingo, both sides should be held equally liable for a loss as it was years ago. The shift of power has fallen so far in favor of the buyer it falls into that territory of that quote of power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. As buyers more and more realize they can take sellers for a ride and have little recourse against it, the problem will increase in volume. I get ebay holding everyone equal, which I don't think they really should be doing, at least across the board. If you're a private seller that's one thing, but if you're up to the level you're paying to have a store front on there and/or you're a real world business using them as a tool there should be an added layer of liability there as you're no longer a person but a functional business.

[R.Cade]

That's why you sell things on eBay for higher prices than you would elsewhere. There is a risk factor involved that has to be taken into account, on top of the 10% eBay + 3-4% Paypal fees. On top of that, I usually have to add a pound or two because they underestimate shipping costs, and then charge 10% of that, too.

[icemanxp300]

That's why you sell things on eBay for higher prices than you would elsewhere. There is a risk factor involved that has to be taken into account, on top of the 10% eBay + 3-4% Paypal fees.

 

 

Not me. I sell for 10% more than I can make non eBay. I wish I could charge 50% more and have people pay it!

[bojay1997]

 

Oh BS. I have a similar theory. As a buyer you sometimes get screwed, suck it up that's just the cost of purchasing on ebay. If you don't like it, there are many alternatives to Ebay including buying on forums or Craigslist or in person.

 

Doesn't so sound nice now does it when it's on the other end.

 

Why the hell should a seller be the only one who gets screwed? If a seller is at fault then they should own up. If a buyer is unreasonable ban their ass and call it a day!

Your theory is irrelevant. Ebay has made a decision that is consistent with what credit card companies and consumer protection laws in most states have provided long before there were Internet auctions. As a seller, you are seeking to take advantage of Ebay's reach and pool of eager buyers. If you can't accept the risk that sellers have to take on in the real world, then you have no business being in business. Ebay will never take your position because it needs buyers far more than it needs small time sellers.

[icemanxp300]

Your theory is irrelevant. Ebay has made a decision that is consistent with what credit card companies and consumer protection laws in most states have provided long before there were Internet auctions. As a seller, you are seeking to take advantage of Ebay's reach and pool of eager buyers. If you can't accept the risk that sellers have to take on in the real world, then you have no business being in business. Ebay will never take your position because it needs buyers far more than it needs small time sellers.

 

It was sarcasm. However since you want to compare apples to oranges lets do that. Big credit card companies and consumer protection laws do NOT put forth laws and circumstances that make it ok for scumbag buyers to commit fraud.

 

Now for the Bold. Yes I am and that 10% eBay takes from every sale covers it! EBay makes the rules and as such they should enforce them. The rules do NOT state a buyer can take advantage of a seller. The rules do NOT state a buyer can commit fraud against sellers. The rules do NOT state a seller has to incur losses from scumbag buyers when the seller has no fault.

 

In the real world you do not get to buy an item, change your mind and return it free of charge with 100% money back guarantee unless you physically drive to a store and they verify the item is undamaged. It is very rare for the real world for an online order to fork out return shipping on a product that is not defective or not to your liking.

 

Buyer protection in the real word and getting screwed on eBay are two completely different things. You have a very poor theory and your argument is even poorer. People like you expect sellers to just take up the ass and suck it up. Sorry it doesn't work that way. If you can't be a decent honest buyer then you have no place buying merchandise in the first place.

[RamrodHare]

Your theory is irrelevant. Ebay has made a decision that is consistent with what credit card companies and consumer protection laws in most states have provided long before there were Internet auctions. As a seller, you are seeking to take advantage of Ebay's reach and pool of eager buyers. If you can't accept the risk that sellers have to take on in the real world, then you have no business being in business. Ebay will never take your position because it needs buyers far more than it needs small time sellers.

OK. "The risk that sellers have to take on in the real world"? Really? If I sell something to someone on Craigslist, the transaction is over. I don't see a risk.

"You have no business being in business". People like me who sell on there occasionally to make ends meet isn't a "business", so your argument is invalid.

"eBay needs buyers far more than it needs small time sellers". Without the sellers, eBay makes NOTHING. All their profit comes from charging SELLERS. If every "small time" seller just up and left eBay, they would shit a brick.

 

I say Good Day sir.