TIPI Usage and Support

[stud33heisman]

5 hours ago, jedimatt42 said:

An example URL for the web browser looks like this:

 

http://192.168.1.65:9900/

 

Note "http" and not "https" - in most web browsers if you want no 's' you have to type the 'http:' explicitly.

 

An example CIFS/Samba path for a windows FILE browser looks like:

 

\\192.168.1.65\TIPI\

 

If your router provides local DNS for your home network, then usually you can use tipi.local instead of the IP address. Otherwise run CALL TIPI from TI BASIC and use the IP address it reports on the 4A screen.

Tried both ways without any success.  Today when I attempted it I got a Run Windows Diagnostic box so went ahead and ran it to see what it said. 

First it says: "The remote device or resource won't accept the connection. "

Then when that text is highlighted it says: "The device or resource (IP Address) is not set up to accept connections on port "The file and printer sharing (SMB)".

 

5 hours ago, arcadeshopper said:

on your pc in a cmd prompt can you ping the ip address?  ping x.x.x.x  is the command replacing the x with the ip address numbers

if that works try ping tipi   and ping tipi.local

 

From the command prompt I get the following when typing in ping (ip address):  reply from (ip address): destination port unreachable

when typing ping tipi: reply from (ip address): destination port unavailable

ping tipi.local gives a "could not find host"

5 hours ago, jedimatt42 said:

You can also verify that the service are running by telnetting into the PI from the 4A. The terminal is a little mismatched for Linux so you generally need to type everything perfectly the first time.

 

From TI BASIC:

 

CALL TIPI("TIPI.NET.TELNET")

 

Pick the appropriate screen mode, 80 columns requires an F18A.

 

For the hostname prompt enter:

 

localhost

 

For the port enter:

 

23

 

At the login prompt enter the credentials:

 

Username: tipi

Password: tipi

 

Then run:

 

    sudo systemctl status TIPI web.service

 

What does it show?

After running the sudo systemctl command I received the following:  WARNING: terminal is not fully functional - (press RETURN) Unit TIPI.service could not be found

 

I feel like it is probably something simple I have overlooked or failed to do, but having gone over things multiple times I am probably missing the forest for the trees so to speak 😅

 

Thanks for all your help guys!

[+arcadeshopper]

19 hours ago, stud33heisman said:

Tried both ways without any success.  Today when I attempted it I got a Run Windows Diagnostic box so went ahead and ran it to see what it said. 

First it says: "The remote device or resource won't accept the connection. "

Then when that text is highlighted it says: "The device or resource (IP Address) is not set up to accept connections on port "The file and printer sharing (SMB)".

 

From the command prompt I get the following when typing in ping (ip address):  reply from (ip address): destination port unreachable

when typing ping tipi: reply from (ip address): destination port unavailable

ping tipi.local gives a "could not find host"

After running the sudo systemctl command I received the following:  WARNING: terminal is not fully functional - (press RETURN) Unit TIPI.service could not be found

 

I feel like it is probably something simple I have overlooked or failed to do, but having gone over things multiple times I am probably missing the forest for the trees so to speak 😅

 

Thanks for all your help guys!

Ok this tells me your network is not allowing connections between the devices.. this is either your router/ap settings OR you have done something on the PI to restrict connections like adding a firewall or security settings..

 

What router do you have?  Is it set to isolate devices?  are you doing this ping on ethernet or wifi?  some routers isolate wifi devices from each other

[stud33heisman]

On 4/19/2024 at 2:01 PM, arcadeshopper said:

Ok this tells me your network is not allowing connections between the devices.. this is either your router/ap settings OR you have done something on the PI to restrict connections like adding a firewall or security settings..

 

What router do you have?  Is it set to isolate devices?  are you doing this ping on ethernet or wifi?  some routers isolate wifi devices from each other

Yes it has to be some issue with the router.. I went ahead and tinkered with pinging and trying to fiddle with my router settings.  I did finally succeed in getting my TIPI to ping through my ethernet cable after setting my router's firewall settings from medium to low (no off setting)... I was also able to finally access my TIPI's files through a web browser and successfully transferred Stuart's Web Browser to it.  

 

However, this is only through a physical ethernet connection.  Otherwise I still have the same issues with wifi.  Not only that, but I still cannot access actual webpages like whtech or myti99.com by any means at this point.  When I try to use the web browser and type in a lowercase webpage I get the message "Error - no valid markup found on page."  The weird thing is that when I tried to access the "COMBATTI" page from typing it in through BASIC i was able to access  it but can't go further because I haven't been able to create an account on the main site.  Trying to access the main myti99 page through BASIC actually just reboots the machine... so not sure what to think since some things seem to be working, and some don't.  

 

My router is an Inseego FG2000-3 provided through US Cellular.  I have not added anything to the TIPI or the Pi except for the image file and the web browser files up to this point and have not added any additional security/firewall settings. 

 

 

[stud33heisman]

One other thing to note about my router is that it has a Guest portal as well as the main one.  Silly as it sounds I have some devices that no matter what wont connect to my main portal but will to my Guest one.  I have had this router for a year now and have tolerated it since I have been able to get all my things working on at least one of the wifi ports. 

 

The TIPI has been the same way but the functionality seems limited.  Connects with guest, won't connect with my main one.  But as stated before being connected to the guest doesn't even ping.  I tried talking with my provider's customer service about this multiple times yesterday and they were unfortunately less than helpful.

 

At the very least it seems I can now transfer files through my windows computers.

 

 

 

 

[+9640News]

44 minutes ago, stud33heisman said:

One other thing to note about my router is that it has a Guest portal as well as the main one.  Silly as it sounds I have some devices that no matter what wont connect to my main portal but will to my Guest one.  I have had this router for a year now and have tolerated it since I have been able to get all my things working on at least one of the wifi ports. 

 

The TIPI has been the same way but the functionality seems limited.  Connects with guest, won't connect with my main one.  But as stated before being connected to the guest doesn't even ping.  I tried talking with my provider's customer service about this multiple times yesterday and they were unfortunately less than helpful.

 

At the very least it seems I can now transfer files through my windows computers.

 

Grasping at straws here.....

 

Any chance the configuration of the guest/main portals are configured for IPV4 or IPV6, and not both? Or some devices at 2.4 GHz and others at 5GHz, and not both limiting device connections?

[jrhodes]

@jedimatt42 It has been a while since i've seen a update available for tipi. Would i be correct in assuming that aside from fixing possible bugs and/or supporting newer Pi models, you don't really intend to update the Pi side software of tipi anytime soon?

Honestly, tipi has pretty much everything i could ask for from a user standpoint, so i'd totally get it if you are "done" with it for a while.

[+arcadeshopper]

3 hours ago, stud33heisman said:

Yes it has to be some issue with the router.. I went ahead and tinkered with pinging and trying to fiddle with my router settings.  I did finally succeed in getting my TIPI to ping through my ethernet cable after setting my router's firewall settings from medium to low (no off setting)... I was also able to finally access my TIPI's files through a web browser and successfully transferred Stuart's Web Browser to it.  

 

However, this is only through a physical ethernet connection.  Otherwise I still have the same issues with wifi.  Not only that, but I still cannot access actual webpages like whtech or myti99.com by any means at this point.  When I try to use the web browser and type in a lowercase webpage I get the message "Error - no valid markup found on page."  The weird thing is that when I tried to access the "COMBATTI" page from typing it in through BASIC i was able to access  it but can't go further because I haven't been able to create an account on the main site.  Trying to access the main myti99 page through BASIC actually just reboots the machine... so not sure what to think since some things seem to be working, and some don't.  

 

My router is an Inseego FG2000-3 provided through US Cellular.  I have not added anything to the TIPI or the Pi except for the image file and the web browser files up to this point and have not added any additional security/firewall settings. 

 

 

wow.. Ok so all your issues are your network and have nothing to do with TIPI..  you say something about the guest network vs the lan, the issue there is entirely that guest is isolated from the local equipment

you need to be on the same network for it to work.. you need to be able to connect to the device to use it..

 

ti browser: myti99.com  - CREATE NEW ACCOUNT.  easy

ti browser:  http://www.stuartconner.me.uk/ti/ti.htm#internet_web_browser

 

 

[+arcadeshopper]

2 hours ago, jrhodes said:

@jedimatt42 It has been a while since i've seen a update available for tipi. Would i be correct in assuming that aside from fixing possible bugs and/or supporting newer Pi models, you don't really intend to update the Pi side software of tipi anytime soon?

Honestly, tipi has pretty much everything i could ask for from a user standpoint, so i'd totally get it if you are "done" with it for a while.

Updates are usually for reasons.. if you see no issues, there's no reasons

 

Greg

[+jedimatt42]

20 hours ago, stud33heisman said:

One other thing to note about my router is that it has a Guest portal as well as the main one.  Silly as it sounds I have some devices that no matter what wont connect to my main portal but will to my Guest one.  I have had this router for a year now and have tolerated it since I have been able to get all my things working on at least one of the wifi ports. 

 

The TIPI has been the same way but the functionality seems limited.  Connects with guest, won't connect with my main one.  But as stated before being connected to the guest doesn't even ping.  I tried talking with my provider's customer service about this multiple times yesterday and they were unfortunately less than helpful.

 

At the very least it seems I can now transfer files through my windows computers.

 

 

 

 

Things on the guest network are prevented from seeing the things on the main network, this is the point of the guest network. But consequently, the things on guest are typically invisible to the things on the main network as well.

 

Make sure the main network is set to support the PI's wifi capabilities, which I believe is just 2.4ghz. the TIPI sd card image has the wifi set for the US region. You likey need to attach a keyboard and HDMI to the PI and manually configure the router and PI until they agree on the main network.

[+jedimatt42]

19 hours ago, jrhodes said:

@jedimatt42 It has been a while since i've seen a update available for tipi. Would i be correct in assuming that aside from fixing possible bugs and/or supporting newer Pi models, you don't really intend to update the Pi side software of tipi anytime soon?

Honestly, tipi has pretty much everything i could ask for from a user standpoint, so i'd totally get it if you are "done" with it for a while.

I think there are many life fables and tails about the dangers in assuming. In this case, it is hard to tell if you are correct or incorrect. Even I don't know if making an assumption is right for you or not. I think you just have to be okay with your assumptions being wrong and allow for the consequences if that proves to be the case. You never know when someone will message me and ask if CS1 is possible...

[Atari2600PAL]

Another option, if, like me, you don't use the guest network for guests, and the router supports it, you could have the main wifi set to 2.4ghz/5ghz but the guest network set to only 2.4ghz and then allow devices to see each other between main and guest network in settings

 

All my retro connections go thru my guest network as everything seems happy to work at 2.4ghz and all my other devices connect to main network (mainly at 5ghz)

[+OLD CS1]

10 minutes ago, jedimatt42 said:

You never know when someone will message me and ask if CS1 is possible...

I am inevitable.

[jrhodes]

37 minutes ago, OLD CS1 said:

I am inevitable.

Now I'm tempted to Photoshop your profile picture onto Thanos 😆

[+jedimatt42]

8 hours ago, OLD CS1 said:

I am inevitable.

This sub-thread of the topic was definitely meant to be humorous...  But seriously, I don't have specific plans right now. But I am open to improvements and suggestions.. 

[+OLD CS1]

1 minute ago, jedimatt42 said:

This sub-thread of the topic was definitely meant to be humorous...  But seriously, I don't have specific plans right now. But I am open to improvements and suggestions.. 

On a serious note, I wish I had something more for which to advocate.  The ability to SAVE to a website address via HTTP POST is all I needed, and I have yet to really put that to good use.

[+mizapf]

@jedimatt42 I just installed the TIPI system on a new flash card and prepared everything for web service usage. I noticed that I'm getting an error reported in syslog that the TI-99/4A DSR RESET service did not start. The reason seems to be that the directory /sys/devices/platform/tipi_gpio/tipi-reset does not exist.

 

This may not be important for a pure web service usage, and I can actually reset the TIPI from the emulation or by connecting to tipi:9900. I just wondered about that error. I'm not sure whether this occurred after I did an apt update/upgrade.

 

[+jedimatt42]

Not having the tipi_reset file indicates the kernel module didn't install correctly. 

 

But, yes, for emulation support, the kernel module and the tipiwatchdog.service are not required.

[+jedimatt42]

The kernel module should recompile on reboot if it isn't loading. This can become required as a result of apt upgrade, if the kernel changes. Or if booting on a different model PI, as technically the kernel changes. 

 

I'll see if I can figure why it didn't recompile for you. And it's time to rerelease an image based on Raspberry PI OS 'bookworm' so I will get that going...

[+jedimatt42]

Yep, there are incompatible kernel header changes that break the tipi_gpio driver compilation. `apt upgrade` will currently kill your tipi for gpio access. 

 

There are additional changes required to run on latest 'bookworm'  - working through those this week.

[TimC]

Hi all, I have ordered the boards and parts and am trying to assemble this myself.  I have everything soldered up and now I am on to programming.  I am using a RPI Rev 1 that I use to program other Xilinx microprocessors.

 

I connected the wires (and even traced them back to the Xilinx) but I am getting errors when programming.  It seems to identify it but I get an error during the verify.  I usually use matrix_creator but I am trying sysfsgpio_creator for this as well with the same result.  I downloaded xc3sprog from jedimatt directly for this session.

 

I am hoping it isn't a counterfeit Xilinx chip..

 

 

[+jedimatt42]

My first guess is that you need to power the chip... I usually do this by inserting 5v into the ROM socket which will feed the 3.3v regulator on board, and then on to the Xilinx chip.  The Xilinx docs say the 3.3v provided by the programmer is just a reference voltage, and not the power supply for the chip while programming. 

Edited May 11 by jedimatt42
-M@ learns to read

[TimC]

Sorry, I forgot to mention I put this card into the PEB to power it like you describe in the wiki.  Good to know about the 5v.  I will try that as well see if there is any difference.

 

Tim

[+jedimatt42]

I don't think it would read the ID at all if any of the programming leads were wrong. 

It doesn't look like it finishes erasing from the screen-photo... if you google for that tool, xc3sprog, I believe there is a separate erase option you can run without programming, to see if it can accomplish that. 

 

I see you have stabbed at multiple cable interface types.. I don't know if any of those allow you to slow down the programming rate... for a number of ISP situations, programming with loose cables has required me to slow them down. ( I haven't had that issue with these though ) 

 

Also your detected id is 0x3... instead of 0x5... but the descriptions are otherwise the same... 

 

You might try reading the chip, since it is not empty, and verify that you can read the same thing at least twice to assure there isn't intermittent communication failures.  

 

If you find an answer, I'd love to collect the advice for others.

[TimC]

So I tried reading from it twice and according to the md5sums, they appear to be different.  Maybe it is my cable lengths.  I can try shortening them.  Any advice on slowing the rate?  Not sure what are good command line options to choose.

 

I also tried the erase and it always says the same thing: Erase still running 00

 

[TimC]

I just tried the same boot image on a RPI 2 with shorter cables and I am getting the same result.

 

I tried using -J but unsure what number to use with it.  Looks like this may only be usable with an FTDI programmer...