Lava Lamps & 8-Track Theatre: The Video Game for Atari 7800

[SIO2]

I wouldn't have done it that way but, I wouldn't have painted a giant soup can either. If the artist is happy with it and the client was happy with it why complain? If you don't like it, don't buy it. Seems simple enough.

 

There might be someone out there who thinks this is the greatest thing in the world.

[lushgirl_80]

Seriously what's wrong with these people!? Jealousy is an ugly trait!!!

 

Firstly again, how in the hell can you judge a game without playing it????

 

Your opinion of the graphics...That's just your opinion!!!! And no it is NOT a hack of any other game. It may contain slight similarities,but it is not a hack of anything,it is completely different.

 

If anybody gets a chance,please read the real reviews on my eBay feedback. Many people are very happy with this game! I have received absolutely no complaints from the 20+ people woh have purchased this game.

 

Anybody who judges a game without playing it really is not a real gamer imo,and nor are you an expert of anything but complaining about stuff that's superficial. Tha's just you're Goddamn opinion based on your own bias. No need to harrass me either. Anyone that talks trash about my game without playing it,well your argument is rather moot. It's like doing a book report based on the book cover. How idiotic is that??

[AtariBrian]

I have no opinion on this one way or the other but the " It's like doing a book report based on the book cover " comment is not accurate since he can see the game play footage . I would say "it is like doing a book report of the book that someone else read to you" ... so it is not really idiotic, just saying . Carry on people

[jaybird3rd]

If the artist is happy with it and the client was happy with it why complain? If you don't like it, don't buy it. Seems simple enough.

Exactly. The game is lushgirl_80's creative work, and she is not representing it as anything other than what it is. The people who don't like it have had their say, and I think that's enough. Let's respect other members' Marketplace threads.

[lushgirl_80]

I have no opinion on this one way or the other but the " It's like doing a book report based on the book cover " comment is not accurate since he can see the game play footage . I would say "it is like doing a book report of the book that someone else read to you" ... so it is not really idiotic, just saying . Carry on people

 

Wrong. There is much more depth to this game than what some of these smalltime critics see on the surface. That's why I used the book report analogy. There is an ending to this game,it has a story and a concept,and while the graphics maybe slightly similar to another game,it is a still a completely different game with completely different characters.

 

Listen, you have to admit that the game Mouse Trap is similar to Pac-Man due to it's maze motif,but they are completely different. You don't hear real gamers complain about games with slight similarities,you will only hear it from the trolls crying in their mommie's basement like some of these trolls who are attacking my thread here.

 

Anyways on a good note, I just got an email from my good friend Howard Scott Warshaw congratulating me on my game!!! So take that troll ass haters!!!

[lushgirl_80]

You keep saying there's nothing wrong with it, yet multiple people have echoed how unprofessional it looks, so when will you realize you are in the minority on thinking the cover is a-ok? It's a nice start, but it's amazing to me that you were comfortable with that low-quality box being sold.

 

 

Uh there is nothing wrong with it. I've sold over 20 copies so far,and everyone has bought my game are nothing but satisfied with my game. Please read my real reviews on my eBay feedback,don't listen to what some troll says,and I am NOT in the miniority when it comes to my own art and cover art. Art is not a sport, so therefore I have every right to defend what's real.

 

My friend HSW,who was on my podcast before(which this game is based upon), has nothing but love for my game and loves the art I did for it. I can think of way worse cover arts than my own,such as Mega Man 1 for the NES. The cover for Time gal on Sega CD has really bad art. So there. I don't take your criticism seriously. Nothing but being a hater. Seriously quit drinking on the Hatorade trolls!! You ain't sh-t compared to my game,and well if you are that serious than make your own game yourself and let's see how well it responds lol. I'm not trying to compete with anybody either,just making art for the sake of making art.

[+sixersfan105]

 

 

Uh there is nothing wrong with it. I've sold over 20 copies so far,and everyone has bought my game are nothing but satisfied with my game. Please read my real reviews on my eBay feedback,don't listen to what some troll says,and I am NOT in the miniority when it comes to my own art and cover art. Art is not a sport, so therefore I have every right to defend what's real.

 

My friend HSW,who was on my podcast before(which this game is based upon), has nothing but love for my game and loves the art I did for it. I can think of way worse cover arts than my own,such as Mega Man 1 for the NES. The cover for Time gal on Sega CD has really bad art. So there. I don't take your criticism seriously. Nothing but being a hater. Seriously quit drinking on the Hatorade trolls!! You ain't sh-t compared to my game,and well if you are that serious than make your own game yourself and let's see how well it responds lol. I'm not trying to compete with anybody either,just making art for the sake of making art.

 

"You ain't shit compared to my game"...seriously?

 

I also never spoke about the quality of your game itself, as I have not played it. I'm simply agreeing with the comments that several others have echoed about the title being extremely blurry due to low image quality and being stretched out of proportion. Also, the title extends past the art and just kind of hangs there.

 

I think your artwork (really cool that you did it yourself, by the way) is excellent, I'm just surprised you didn't digitize it or something to make it look more professional. Sure that right there is an opinion, but you can't say that my comments about the title (blurry/out of proportion/hanging awkwardly beyond the border of the art) are only opinions, because they are actual facts.

 

I'm not trying to get in a pissing contest here. I hope that your game sells a million copies. The more 7800 homebrew the better!

[icemanxp300]

 

Uh there is nothing wrong with it. I've sold over 20 copies so far,and everyone has bought my game are nothing but satisfied with my game.

 

I think you are surely missing the point here. I'm sure people are happy with your game. Let me put it in a different perspective here.

 

If a game is sold w/a normal label and people get that item, sure they are happy with what they bought because it is well what they bought. Now if that same game is being sold w/a holographic label I'm sure those people would be happier with what they feel is a better label.

 

Game play has nothing to do w/appearance. I'm sure many of your sales are coming from people whom know who you are. However I sell online for a living and pictures and appearance is number one. As far as games go people believe label quality is more important than the game itself. I have literally had people tell me that game labels are the most important part of the game.

 

I think if you were to design a different label, that would appeal to an audience whom doesn't know you. I think you would likely sell more games than you currently are. So yes I think your artwork while maybe you love it, is not really that appealing to most people.

[lushgirl_80]

 

I think you are surely missing the point here. I'm sure people are happy with your game. Let me put it in a different perspective here.

 

If a game is sold w/a normal label and people get that item, sure they are happy with what they bought because it is well what they bought. Now if that same game is being sold w/a holographic label I'm sure those people would be happier with what they feel is a better label.

 

Game play has nothing to do w/appearance. I'm sure many of your sales are coming from people whom know who you are. However I sell online for a living and pictures and appearance is number one. As far as games go people believe label quality is more important than the game itself. I have literally had people tell me that game labels are the most important part of the game.

 

I think if you were to design a different label, that would appeal to an audience whom doesn't know you. I think you would likely sell more games than you currently are. So yes I think your artwork while maybe you love it, is not really that appealing to most people.

 

 

 

 

Eh that's just your opinion,and while I respect it's your opinion I really don't agree with what you are saying. you are nitpicking on something that is very minor. Heck I don't even see it. There's nothing wrong with the cover design and that's that. I am NOT going to change it just because a few people don't happen to like it for whatever nitpicking reason they can find. Meh. What few negative criticisms people have here are not going to hurt my sales either,nor is it going to stop me from producing more games.

 

Some people don't like Van Gogh's paintings and other's would spend millions of dollars on them. So a few people,aren't satisfied with it design wise,try to tell me to stop what I am doing and listen to their narrow minded opinions? Screw that. Take my friend Howared Scott Warshaw for example.... Many people hate the game E.T. for the Atari 2600,call it the worst game of all-time or whatever,and yet others praise it and say it's not bad,heck some even say it's the greatest thing they've ever played.

 

Look. You haven't played my damn game yet than don't argue with me. I can pick out games that are much worse than mine,some of which I am sure are sitting in your pristine well manured game collections right now. Because anyone trying to start an argument with me here over surface bullsh-t is nothin' but a troll. Most likely just very jealous of my game lol,crying in their mommie's basements, wondering why they can't get laid on a Friday night. For reals don't some of these trolls have anything better to do than pull on my pigtails?? Funny though,the poster all attacking my thread here well he is banned from it lol.

 

Got nothing nice to say??? Than don't say it!!! Simple as that. I'm enjoyng life. I love my game and many others do,and if nobody else doesn't get that vibe then they can just screw themselves. I'm friends with Nolan Bushnell too,who was also on my radio show,and he also has nothing but praise for my game. I'd rather listen to his opinion than some smalltime troll here.

[lushgirl_80]

Another thing..NO my sales are not coming from people who already know who I am. I've never even met these people. They are satisfied with my game too. So there.

[icemanxp300]

I think you should port this to the Jaguar and make a post in the Jaguar forum offering your game.

[lushgirl_80]

LOL Oh heck no..it's brutal over there from what I've heard when it comes to that.

[lushgirl_80]

Nice joke btw about the Jaguar forum. ​ Honestly I'm not here to impress anyone. I don't give a shit what a few stalking fanboy loser trolls think lol!!! Their opinions aren't shit compared to my game. Back the f-ck off really,and if you actually really care about it than much make your own Goddamn game and let's see how well it responds. I would never wish bad success to another fellow Atari fan though,that's just lame and immature.

 

Anyways my game's having a sale now before it goes back to the regular price!!! I'm in a great mood,and just got off my cell with one of Nolan's people also. Welcoming him back to my show soon,along with my other friend David Crane.

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lava-Lamps-8-Track-Theatre-The-Video-Game-for-the-Atari-7800/173413580591

[Swami]

You must be assimilated!!!!

[lushgirl_80]

Well that's the last we'll hear from him!! Thanks mods for blocking this problem person from the thread.

 

Look!!!!! I'm not changing the label for anybody. Jesus H.... If you want me to change it that bad though than send me a donation via Paypal,otherwise STFU! lol

 

It is what it is and if you don't like it,oh well,move on and buy something else sheesh.

[lushgirl_80]

This is my art and my vision,and if anybody doesn't like it screw em. I'm not changing anything!! And I am not letting some armchair art critic try to alter my art and give me art lessons on my own art. That's such an insult to me and I am so glad this troll is finally blocked from this thread.

[+sixersfan105]

Well that's the last we'll hear from him!! Thanks mods for blocking this problem person from the thread.

 

Look!!!!! I'm not changing the label for anybody. Jesus H.... If you want me to change it that bad though than send me a donation via Paypal,otherwise STFU! lol

 

It is what it is and if you don't like it,oh well,move on and buy something else sheesh.

Who are you suggesting got blocked? Just curious.

[lushgirl_80]

Shawn was blocked. End of story. Lets move on now...

[lushgirl_80]

LOL ahh feeling great today. Gotta take the time and say thanks to all the people who have purchased my game so far and left me good feedback.

 

 

Gotta say comparing my game to Hollywood Brawler is rather lame. Not even the same game at all,and to say it is a hack is obviously an unfriendly attack towards myself and my colleagues.That is an insult. Maybe it has slightly the same backgrounds,but completely different characters,completely different story,and well a completely different game altogether. Actually my game is way better than that,and funny the little negativty it's receiving are from a few people here who are just judging it on the surface,and who have never even played the game.

 

For me,if I see some video footage on Youtube,and a certain game impresses me as "bad" on the surface,you know what??? I'd still tryout that game. That's just me. I'm a real gamer.I'll play f-cking anything,even if some online dorks from wherever say it's not a good game for whatever biased reason.

 

Anyways there will be a boxed version and there will be a sequel that is coming out for the NES and other systems. Thanks for your interest.

Edited July 24, 2018 by lushgirl_80

[lushgirl_80]

Thank you moderators...

Edited July 24, 2018 by lushgirl_80

[icemanxp300]

LMAO seriously are you 12? You want it dropped yet you bump your thread bringing up what you just said you wanted dropped. If I recall correctly NOBODY bashed on your gameplay. Multiple people said your artwork could be better. You disagree with us and that is fine. You like your artwork and that is fine. Just remember you are not the one buying your games. So how ever happy you are does not reflect how other people feel.

 

I personally would prefer your game w/the artwork Shawn made over the original and that is my personal opinion and has nothing to do w/gameplay of the game it is purely aesthetics. I as well don't need to hold a game in my hand for this determination. I make and print game labels all the time. A label is only as good as the artwork it is printed from. Higher resolution artwork creates a better looking label, that is a fact!

 

You don't want and can't handle constructive criticism. If someone is not in love w/your artwork which you associate to gameplay when you should not be, we are all just a bunch of jealous nerds trolling you. We are not trolling we are simply giving opinions which you don't like.

 

Again of course you have not had any complaints because you sent people what they purchased. That however does not mean those people would not prefer a different label than the one you created. Let me use Phalanx for the snes as an example. I love shmups and I would have never know Phalanx is one based off the artwork of an old man holding a banjo. Do I have that game? Yes I do. Would I be happier if the game had been released w/different artwork? Yes I would. I hate that artwork but I'm not going to complain over purchasing it as that is what I purchased!

[lushgirl_80]

No I am not 12,but maybe you are since you are siding with a person with such a mentality..

 

 

 

 

 

Also he is altering and displaying an image that I copyrighted. I don't care if you don't like my label either,not everyone who bought my game thinks the way you do though,but displaying and altering an image that is copyrighted without permission of the owner is grounds for being sued. I've already called this to the attention of the mods.

 

 

That is NOT constructive criticism btw. His tone is not friendly at all,so therefore his input in this thread is not welcome.

Edited July 24, 2018 by lushgirl_80

[HoshiChiri]

No idea why I feel like jumping into this mess, but- that label really does have some issues.

 

Firstly, the logo- the resolution is really, REALLY bad. I'm not sure if that's intentional to make it look pixelated, but if so it's not achieving the desired effect. It just looks like badly compressed text, especially with the crystal clear 'the video game' in white right below it. Also- the black background from the label sticks out from the picture's black background. The weird tangents created make it look like the title is a sticker placed over the rest of the label art- which, in turn, cheapens the whole piece. If you shrunk the logo down, you could fix the tangents & take away at least some of the fuzziness in one swoop.

 

As for the art itself- the composition is fine. Well defined characters, good eye flow- not 100% sure what's up with the half an alien, but he's not hurting anything. The issue is the coloring- this was clearly colored by hand (I'm guessing colored pencil or oil pastel?) then scanned in. This creates a lot of imperfections in the color that just doesn't digitize well. It would have been better to scan in line art & color digitally. Also, the outline along the bottom of the girl's skirt should have been added back in after it was digitally erased- kind of sticks out considering you use a strong outline on everything else.

 

I know, you're not going to change the art, and that's fine- but please take some consideration of this commentary. Becuase here's the thing: if your only intended audience for this is fans of your show, & completionists buying every homebrew they can find, you're doing fine. if you're trying to attract anyone else though? You're going to struggle. Someone causally walking through an expo is going to see this & only be able to judge your game on its cover- and they're going to think 'this person doesn't have the knowledge or the patience to make a polished product'. Whether or not that's the truth is irrelevant- they won't know that, and they'll move on. Finding it on the internet isn't much better- you say there's more going on than the gameplay video shows. But how would I know? I can't play it, I can only watch it. I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't watch much of anything before I make a call- I know what I like. A couple years ago, I ducked into a room demoing Tumbleweed at PAX. A guy saw me come in, walked across the room, asked if I had any questions. I had one- "how do I buy this?" I'd made a call in the time it took him to walk across the room. Hardly enough time to learn the nuances of the game (especially given that I didn't even play it!)

 

Good gameplay will keep people playing- but polished presentation is what gets people started in the first place. Don't let attachment to your work prevent you from improving it!

[+sixersfan105]

No idea why I feel like jumping into this mess, but- that label really does have some issues.

 

Firstly, the logo- the resolution is really, REALLY bad. I'm not sure if that's intentional to make it look pixelated, but if so it's not achieving the desired effect. It just looks like badly compressed text, especially with the crystal clear 'the video game' in white right below it. Also- the black background from the label sticks out from the picture's black background. The weird tangents created make it look like the title is a sticker placed over the rest of the label art- which, in turn, cheapens the whole piece. If you shrunk the logo down, you could fix the tangents & take away at least some of the fuzziness in one swoop.

 

As for the art itself- the composition is fine. Well defined characters, good eye flow- not 100% sure what's up with the half an alien, but he's not hurting anything. The issue is the coloring- this was clearly colored by hand (I'm guessing colored pencil or oil pastel?) then scanned in. This creates a lot of imperfections in the color that just doesn't digitize well. It would have been better to scan in line art & color digitally. Also, the outline along the bottom of the girl's skirt should have been added back in after it was digitally erased- kind of sticks out considering you use a strong outline on everything else.

 

I know, you're not going to change the art, and that's fine- but please take some consideration of this commentary. Becuase here's the thing: if your only intended audience for this is fans of your show, & completionists buying every homebrew they can find, you're doing fine. if you're trying to attract anyone else though? You're going to struggle. Someone causally walking through an expo is going to see this & only be able to judge your game on its cover- and they're going to think 'this person doesn't have the knowledge or the patience to make a polished product'. Whether or not that's the truth is irrelevant- they won't know that, and they'll move on. Finding it on the internet isn't much better- you say there's more going on than the gameplay video shows. But how would I know? I can't play it, I can only watch it. I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't watch much of anything before I make a call- I know what I like. A couple years ago, I ducked into a room demoing Tumbleweed at PAX. A guy saw me come in, walked across the room, asked if I had any questions. I had one- "how do I buy this?" I'd made a call in the time it took him to walk across the room. Hardly enough time to learn the nuances of the game (especially given that I didn't even play it!)

 

Good gameplay will keep people playing- but polished presentation is what gets people started in the first place. Don't let attachment to your work prevent you from improving it!

Yeah, a lot of us have echoed the same sentiments, but not in as much depth as you have. Impressive!

 

Pretty sure the pixelated logo was just copied and pasted from her website, which would explain that. That's not a knock at all on the hand-drawn art. The copy/paste and issues with the logo at the top are just examples of a rush job and has nothing to do with your hand drawn art that is pretty cool.

 

Even though, let's be honest, Shawn did make it more professional. Just being realistic.

 

Also as others have already echoed, giving our opinions does not make us "trolls" or "haters" or whatever other bit of name calling you throw out every third word.

 

You honestly are acting like a child while defending a game that maybe one person on this entire thread has said negative things about in terms of actual gameplay.

 

Finally, like iceman said, you also are the one keeping this going...on and on...same post after same post...attack after attack on valued members of the AtariAge community.

 

This thread would have been dead weeks ago if not for your maniacal posts bumping things again and again.

 

I hope your game sells a gazillion copies.

 

Ok. End rant.

[lushgirl_80]

Haha all nitpicking over the label!

 

 

LOL!!!!!!!!!

 

 

Honestly,asides from what it seems like I am being ganged up on here by few people with nothing else to do but nitpick on something soo small...

 

 

On the contrary, I have received much more praise over my artwork on the label,that outnumbers the posters here saying it's bad. I know a small group of posters do not like me here,and maybe this is your chance to say something negative to me.

 

 

Carry on. I AM NOT CHANGING THE LABEL FOR ANYONE,AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT MOVE ON. Actually there are much worse labels than mine,and actually it is not bad. That is just your opinion,and opinions are like a--holes and I see some posting in this thread.

 

 

Nitpicking on something so small,sheesh. You must not like alot of games than,how pedantic. I accept criticism that is friendly,but not like how that person said it.

Edited July 24, 2018 by lushgirl_80