+CharlieChaplin Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 Hmmm, is it wishful thinking or could it be true: - not everyone has Pokey stereo, many Atarians still have mono Pokey (PDM) - not everyone has Covox, many Atarians still have only Pokey in mono or stereo (PDM and PDS) - but: if someone has Covox, he for sure has stereo available (COS) Which means COV (Covox mono) does not make much sense for me, except maybe that it is 44khz instead of just 22khz... Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/279232-fujiconvert-01/page/18/#findComment-5302667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nasty niff Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, CharlieChaplin said: Hmmm, is it wishful thinking or could it be true: - not everyone has Pokey stereo, many Atarians still have mono Pokey (PDM) - not everyone has Covox, many Atarians still have only Pokey in mono or stereo (PDM and PDS) - but: if someone has Covox, he for sure has stereo available (COS) Which means COV (Covox mono) does not make much sense for me, except maybe that it is 44khz instead of just 22khz... the quality isnt that great @22khz stereo, too much noise Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/279232-fujiconvert-01/page/18/#findComment-5302670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beeblebrox Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 For PDMs I find the best thing to do, whether you have mono or stereo, is to have powered speakers as a bare minumum. Those cheapish PC desktop speakers are fine, so long as they are powered and you can crank up the volume. Normal TV or monitor speakers aren't ideal at all IMHO. I play my Stereo PDM conversions off my Side3's PDM player on a Stereo A8 with powered desktop speakers and for those conversions that have been done well, (eg so you don't get too much distortion), it sounds pretty good. Check out: and Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/279232-fujiconvert-01/page/18/#findComment-5302684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CharlieChaplin Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 1) Stereo A8 with powered desktop speakers alongside the tv: (power on/off, volume, loudness) 2) to the right side is even more power - my Hifi stereo system: (often connected with the A8's stereo output) top to bottom: 2x JVC Tapedeck lots of Mini-Discs 1x CD-player 1x Mini-Disc recorder 1x CD-recorder 1x Receiver (and 4 large three-way speakers) 4 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/279232-fujiconvert-01/page/18/#findComment-5302843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nasty niff Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 7 minutes ago, CharlieChaplin said: 1) Stereo A8 with powered desktop speakers alongside the tv: (power on/off, volume, loudness) 2) to the right side is even more power - my Hifi stereo system: (often connected with the A8's stereo output) top to bottom: 2x JVC Tapedeck lots of Mini-Discs 1x CD-player 1x Mini-Disc recorder 1x CD-recorder 1x Receiver (and 4 large three-way speakers) Atari XLwith 30 watt powered pc speakers. Top picture,stereo 600w amp, mini disk, tape, cd. 2 pair of 3 way speakers with ribbon tweeters plus sub 4 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/279232-fujiconvert-01/page/18/#findComment-5302852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beeblebrox Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 Now those are some serious setups y'all hot there!!!! 😁😍 To quote Rick and morty.. "SHOW ME WHAT YOU GOT!!" 😉😁 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/279232-fujiconvert-01/page/18/#findComment-5302871 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CharlieChaplin Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Okay, tf_hh removed the Lotharek stereo-enhancement and built-in his own stereo-enhancement in my Atari - and now it sounds as good as the other stereo A8. (If the Pokey chip would have been bad or defect, then it would still sound bad since the Pokey chip was not replaced, but it does not sound bad, it sounds really good now. So I conclude that it was really the Lotharek stereo-enhancement that was responsible for the bad quality of the sound in that computer.) Guess that Lotharek really made the mistake with his stereo-enhancement that tf_hh mentioned in his posting, but I am happy that all is good now. 2 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/279232-fujiconvert-01/page/18/#findComment-5303560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 On 8/22/2023 at 5:00 PM, Beeblebrox said: Now those are some serious setups y'all hot there!!!! 😁😍 To quote Rick and morty.. "SHOW ME WHAT YOU GOT!!" 😉😁 OK - I am pretty far into the "way the hell overkill situation". My two "listening rooms". Not pictured are my two "spare" Comtech 1610s which will each do a massive 875*2 into 4 ohms (all day every day). All amp specs are full RMS at sub 0.05 THD and I have certified all of them on my test bench. I can only test one channel at a time on the Comtech 1610s as running a sine wave into my load block, one channel can pop a 15Amp breaker! To really crank them, I'd need to re-wire them for 240VAC operation. Those 2 amps are going to drive my ultimate cabinets, I have the drivers but haven't had time (or space) to build them. I have 4 18" subs, 8 12" bass/mid drivers, and 8 super tweeters. Dream setup - I really hope I get to build it soon. None of the amps are new little lightweight BS Class D stuff. All 19" rack mount pro-gear, 40 to 65 pounds per amp) Denon AVR-X4700H (used in pre-amp only mode for AV switching & some signal processing) Behringer DEQ2496 EQ and DSP for the front channels Behringer DSP8024 EQ and DSP for the rear channels Crown DC-300A Series II powering the subs (490*2 into custom 2 ohm subs - 12" ported cabinets) Crown D-75A running bridged mono into center channel speaker Crown DC-300A Series II powering the subs (300*2 into custom 4 ohm rears - 10" 3-way cabinets) Crown Com-Tech 800 powering the fronts (490*2 into AAL2230B cabinets - dual 12" 3-way ported cabinets) The quiet listening room - In this room I only ever have one pair of speakers on at a time, and they are not always in this configuration - this is more the testing area for my cabinet rebuild / restoration work. Yamaha RX-V793 for AV switching and also powering the 2 speakers. 1 is an 8inch 2-way cabinet, one is a rebuilt and customized 12" 4-way ported cabinet Son of Ampzilla (160*2 into 4 ohms powering rebuilt AAL Studio 400s - dual 10" 3-way sealed cabinets) SAE Mark 3 (120*2 into 8 ohms powering rebuilt and customized 15" 3-way ported cabinets) 8 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/279232-fujiconvert-01/page/18/#findComment-5303712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nasty niff Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 https://www.instagram.com/reel/C71hL0vt-eV/?igsh=MXFma3Q3ZmpkbGI4NQ== Stereo covox 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/279232-fujiconvert-01/page/18/#findComment-5480727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyJones1023 Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 Any way to get a standard MP3 of a song (3-4 mins long or so) to play entirely on a stock 800? I have used the FujiConvert site with these settings: All my 800 can play is a couple seconds of music. How can I get it to play an entire song? Or is that just not possible on a stock 800 with 48K RAM? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/279232-fujiconvert-01/page/18/#findComment-5517490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nasty niff Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 What are you using to play back? Also change max size Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/279232-fujiconvert-01/page/18/#findComment-5517518 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyJones1023 Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 The FujiConvert web page exports as a self executable (XEX file). So I just load the disk image and it starts to play. I have tried larger disk image sizes to no avail. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/279232-fujiconvert-01/page/18/#findComment-5517545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nasty niff Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 You have a flash cart to play from, like side 3, AVG? As it steams the file from the cart. Try your file from an emulator maybe...or add it here I'll give it a try... Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/279232-fujiconvert-01/page/18/#findComment-5517592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyJones1023 Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 I have no special hardware, just a stock 800. Attached is a disk image FujiConvert created. I can load it into my machine via FujiNet, but it only plays the first 2 seconds or so then loops. defleprunriot.xex Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/279232-fujiconvert-01/page/18/#findComment-5517618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CharlieChaplin Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 Well, Fuji-Convert and PDM, PDS, COV, COS do NOT use any compression at all (A8 would be too slow to decompress in realtime), so e.g. a PDM with 8Bit, 44khz, mono will use up several hundred (or several thousand) Kilobytes. Stock 800 has only 48K RAM, thats why it only plays 1-2 seconds of the song in XEX format. You can create an .XEX with several Megabytes with Fuji Convert, but this XEX will only work under emulation and not with a real A8. Another option is to create a cart-image that can be used with carts up to 512k (SIC), up to 1MB (Atarimax, Megamax, Megacart, XEGS) or up to 128MB (The!Cart). And the last option is the one I use regularly, the IDE player (Flashjazzcat) option, it is streaming the music from IDE, SIDE2 cart, SIDE3 cart, AVG cart or Sub cart (have not tested Dumb cart yet). For this option 64k RAM is enough (maybe even 48k RAM, do not own any 400/800 Ataris with 48k RAM) and no XRAM is required. But a standard 800 with 48k RAM, no IDE, no multi-cart, etc. cannot play more than 1-2 seconds of a PDM sound... 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/279232-fujiconvert-01/page/18/#findComment-5517638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyJones1023 Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 Thanks for the info! Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/279232-fujiconvert-01/page/18/#findComment-5517677 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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