Gyruss for Intellivision?

[m-crew]

The boxes are the biggest investment and price sensitive with quantity. If his intent wasn't just a cash grab from the top collectors, he could have offered a cart only or even a ROM option. I've been building small batches of Donkey Kong PK cartridges for years now to keep them available. Al does this as well with the games he sells on this site. Carts can be built economically in small batches.

Donkey Kong PK ???

 

 

"built economically" , love this statement

[1980gamer]

Donkey Kong PK ???

 

 

"built economically" , love this statement

 

This is a Sub $60 game correct?

I think the last intellivision version was too much for me to consider! I don't remember? $100+ I think? For 2 additional screens.

 

I am not saying C.M. doesn't deserve to get paid and the distributor shouldn't take a cut as well. I am just saying, that is out of my league. However, under $60 is pretty reasonable.

[tep392]

 

This is a Sub $60 game correct?

I think the last intellivision version was too much for me to consider! I don't remember? $100+ I think? For 2 additional screens.

 

I am not saying C.M. doesn't deserve to get paid and the distributor shouldn't take a cut as well. I am just saying, that is out of my league. However, under $60 is pretty reasonable.

It was sub $60 for the cart and manual before the POKEY sound chips started going up in price. And it was only that expensive because it has 5 IC's crammed in it. Boxes can be ordered from an AA member for under $20.

[intellivotion]

it looks like dinoy has been banned from AtariAge

 

because of the "Gyruss incident" or is there something more?

[Albert]

Did there need to be more???

[artrag]

Not willing to publish the game and the sources of the game is a clear indication of bad faith, because, among the other things, it would have spoiled the value of the cartridges he has in stock.

I cannot say he will sell them but, given the amount of lies produced, I cannot either be sure of the contrary.

And I am not sure in two or three years to have again the luck to intercept a new fraud attempt.

Moreover, as my code was intended for educational purposes, I want really all its derived works be open on atariage and free to use for non commercial use.

Edited June 15, 2018 by artrag

[Spadafermo51]

^{I do not think the Atari Age forum is a court, at least until today it was not
this is why I find the expulsion of Dino out of place.
Dino apologized and admitted his mistake, also withdrew his game from the market, giving him a liar is not correct.
Artrag more 'displeased because someone has copied some ideas (the source code? So' says), had to be happy that one of his idea someone had succeeded, dedicating time and money, to
play a game for community enthusiasts and Intellivision admirers.
Then, if you want to do the processes also intentions (of Dino), continue this step .........
you are on your way.
One last thing ...... ... the cost of € 150 I think is mainly due to the will
insert the game in a package similar to the original of the Parker, something that has never happened until now, evidently for the high cost of the realization.}

[carlsson]

If you don't agree with how AtariAge is run, I'm sure there is a way to end your account peacefully.

[artrag]

No, he has stolen my intellectual property and refuses to return it to me by publishing the sources.

He is mistifying facts contradicting himself at each step.

This is not an asking apologies, this is only an attempt to restore his reputation without returning what he has stolen.

[artrag]

^{I do not think the Atari Age forum is a court, at least until today it was not}

this is why I find the expulsion of Dino out of place.

Dino apologized and admitted his mistake, also withdrew his game from the market, giving him a liar is not correct.

Artrag more 'displeased because someone has copied some ideas (the source code? So' says), had to be happy that one of his idea someone had succeeded, dedicating time and money, to

play a game for community enthusiasts and Intellivision admirers.

Then, if you want to do the processes also intentions (of Dino), continue this step .........

you are on your way.

One last thing ...... ... the cost of 150 I think is mainly due to the will

insert the game in a package similar to the original of the Parker, something that has never happened until now, evidently for the high cost of the realization.

You are very wrong here.

He has ripped off my whole game defacing it and trying to sell it. Its work is not inspired or based on mine. It is my game on any relevant aspect, and this makes a huge difference.

 

 

How could I be happy for my work of years being used in this way?

 

Had he at least credited my game and me!!

 

No, on the box he is deceiveing about the origin of the source, nor I have received public credits in any form.

 

Should I be happy? Of what?

Edited June 15, 2018 by artrag

[+nanochess]

This Dino guy has been expulsed of every Intellivision group in Facebook because he is always saying lies and trying to deceipt people with half truths.

 

One of his favorites is to say his game doesn't look anything like ARTRAG game but he never published the video, and the box he intended to sell in the back has the picture of ARTRAG game.

 

Apologies are good, returning the money better, but keeping telling lies and trying to maintain his imaginary world isn't.

[artrag]

When I have posted the video of his gyruss (which shows a beta of my game with a different title), he even has tried to say that it wasn't the game he was selling, but he has refused to show what is in its boxes, or to post a video of it.

 

Lies on lies...

This is not the way to apologize.

 

My condition to close the affair is to publish here sources and rom.

He does not want to publish them, thus I cannot trust a single word of what he is promising about to not sell MY game.

Edited June 15, 2018 by artrag

[Kiwi]

His behavior really baffled me. Why go through this trouble signing up on forums and Intellivision facebook group defending himself after being exposed? All he has to do is to make a gif of his game in action and then convert the imv to gif, pressing F10, with the tool provided with jzintv. Or use the screen shot feature, F11, or make the AVI, Window Key + A. Or film it off the screen which many smart phones and handheld devices, 3DS, have to show the game in action. Many many options to show proof that this game is no way like Deep Zone Gorf.

[scalpel]

^{I do not think the Atari Age forum is a court, at least until today it was not}

this is why I find the expulsion of Dino out of place.

Dino apologized and admitted his mistake, also withdrew his game from the market, giving him a liar is not correct.

Artrag more 'displeased because someone has copied some ideas (the source code? So' says), had to be happy that one of his idea someone had succeeded, dedicating time and money, to

play a game for community enthusiasts and Intellivision admirers.

Then, if you want to do the processes also intentions (of Dino), continue this step .........

you are on your way.

One last thing ...... ... the cost of € 150 I think is mainly due to the will

insert the game in a package similar to the original of the Parker, something that has never happened until now, evidently for the high cost of the realization.

 

I agree. I think you (we) can find a better solution.

 

 

You are very wrong here.

He has ripped off my whole game defacing it and trying to sell it. Its work is not inspired or based on mine. It is my game on any relevant aspect, and this makes a huge difference.

 

 

How could I be happy for my work of years being used in this way?

 

Had he at least credited my game and me!!

 

No, on the box he is deceiveing about the origin of the source, nor I have received public credits in any form.

 

Should I be happy? Of what?

 

No, you can't reasonably be happy. I understand you are angry. I should feel the same feeling if I was you.

We didn't see the final gameplay, video and sounds. The video I posted in a special place (it was not public....) was a old version (from october, 2017), so, not the final version.

 

When I have posted the video of his gyruss (which shows a beta of my game with a different title), he even has tried to say that it wasn't the game he was selling, but he has refused to show what is in its boxes, or to post a video of it.

 

Lies on lies...

This is not the way to apologize.

 

My condition to close the affair is to publish here sources and rom.

He does not want to publish them, thus I cannot trust a single word of what he is promising about to not sell MY game.

 

The video was posted in a private place, I didn't want to post it in a public place... so, I was upset when I saw it in a public place....

 

But, yes, I agree with you, it could be good to see the final version. I really don't know why Dino doesn't want to show the game (video, etc.)

Edited June 15, 2018 by scalpel

[artrag]

At this point, I only ask that the rom and its sources were published here on atariage with proper credits.

 

I do not care of anything else.

 

It is the sole way to return what he has taken without permission. Stolen is the right word.

 

And it would prevent/reduce the risk of sells of bootleg cartridges in the future.

Edited June 15, 2018 by artrag

[artrag]

His behavior really baffled me. Why go through this trouble signing up on forums and Intellivision facebook group defending himself after being exposed? All he has to do is to make a gif of his game in action and then convert the imv to gif, pressing F10, with the tool provided with jzintv. Or use the screen shot feature, F11, or make the AVI, Window Key + A. Or film it off the screen which many smart phones and handheld devices, 3DS, have to show the game in action. Many many options to show proof that this game is no way like Deep Zone Gorf.

The sole answer is that he wanted back his reputation to continue to sell his games, but he does not want to publish rom and sources of his derived work (my work basically) to not spoil the value of the cartridges he has in stock and be free to sell them after the wave ofblame has passed.

[mthompson]

Since he's been banned from AtariAge, he can't post his video & source here, so it does no good to keep demanding that he publish material here.

[mr_me]

His behavior really baffled me. Why go through this trouble signing up on forums and Intellivision facebook group defending himself after being exposed? All he has to do is to make a gif of his game in action and then convert the imv to gif, pressing F10, with the tool provided with jzintv. Or use the screen shot feature, F11, or make the AVI, Window Key + A. Or film it off the screen which many smart phones and handheld devices, 3DS, have to show the game in action. Many many options to show proof that this game is no way like Deep Zone Gorf.

He's already admitted that the cartridge is based on the source code uploaded here by Artrag.

 

At this point, I only ask that the rom and its sources were published here on atariage with proper credits.

 

I do not care of anything else.

 

It is the sole way to return what he has taken without permission. Stolen is the right word.

 

And it would prevent/reduce the risk of sells of bootleg cartridges in the future.

You can't steal something that was given. You can't return something that you already have.

 

If there were any significant changes or additions to the code; whoever programmed it has the right to be anonymous and has the right not to share their additions; whoever that person might be. I don't think sharing it will reduce the sale of bootlegs. People who would spend US$175 for this cartridge would be doing so as a collectable. A more upto date version of the game is freely available for download.

Edited June 15, 2018 by mr_me

[intellivotion]

If you don't agree with how AtariAge is run, I'm sure there is a way to end your account peacefully.

that means: "if you don't think the way I do you can go away. And you can do it in peace, don't worry".

 

I'm really astonished by the kindness of this comment... bravo

[1980gamer]

Artrag, I get you feel robbed and violated etc.

 

I agree Dino took your work and maybe even claimed it for his own. But he did say as much. I agree he may even try to sell these carts again in the future?

But until that day, We MUST take him at his word based on his other actions regarding this game. I don't know this guy or his history, just what I have read here.

I am discounting others opinions on him and just taking your requests and his responses.

 

I just wonder how the original authors feel that you based your game on? Do they feel cheated? Did you credit everyone that worked to create Gyruss or Gorf or any other games you borrowed from?

 

We all borrow from others even if we don't know we are. I really don't expect you to credit the original authors, just food for thought.

 

BELIEVE ME, I am not saying basing a game on another game is even close to using your code as his own.

 

But you have made your case and he has responded. LESS the video of his final game or source code. Which, by banning him.... we will never see.

 

I am curious, did you request this ban or did AA do it on it's own?

 

It may not seem like it, but I am on your side. I would have liked to see all the facts before reaching a conclusion.

 

I know you are "hot" and deserve to be. I just wonder if cooler heads could have reached a mutually beneficial agreement?

 

Hope you get what you want from all of this. If it can ever be given back?

 

[intellivotion]

you may say I'm a dreamer, but I keep on thinking that an agreement may be reached by the two guys involved after the storm

[+DZ-Jay]

Artrag, I get you feel robbed and violated etc.

 

I agree Dino took your work and maybe even claimed it for his own. But he did say as much. I agree he may even try to sell these carts again in the future?

But until that day, We MUST take him at his word based on his other actions regarding this game.

 

Er... that's not how it works out there in the real world. In the real world, when someone commits an act such that he violates the trust of those around him, he must earn that trust back with actions, not words. There is no such requirement to take a thief or a cheater "at his word" that he won't do it again; it falls on his own responsibility to work hard to gain the trust and respect he lost, making sure his next words and actions are beyond reproach and above suspicion.

 

Sure, we can give him the benefit of the doubt that he won't do this again -- when he proves himself worthy of it by not doing it again. In the meantime, the mistrust and suspicion remains, and no amount of words can change that.

 

-dZ.

[m-crew]

Words mean nothing without the actions following those words...

 

Trust is a hard thing to regain after it has been broken.

[m-crew]

That's a few many quotes I tell my children..

[1980gamer]

I just want to see if I have all the characters right....

 

Artrag as FLYNN

Dino as DILINGER

DZ must be TRON

 

Here is my problem with the Dino bashing. He has admitted his guilt, he has returned all money collected and has stated he will never sell the games.

Those are pretty big actions. I was raised to forgive. Even if Dino did none of the remorseful steps, I would forgive him. But that is just me.

 

I get Artrag is frustrated and has been wronged. But what ACTUAL harm was done to him? He shared his code freely with the world. I do that all the time too.

If someone uses my ideas or complete code, it is flattering to me. Whenever I come up with a clever method of solving a problem, I like to share it.

 

Monetary Loss? Perhaps. But we are talking pennies. Not a life changing amount. Granted, it is Artrag's money to be made.

 

I just recently had a bomb dropped on me. A vendor who's software my company uses, has an adapter to extract data from an MS Dynamics product we use for data analysis.

It was taking about an hour to extract the data set and putting a heavy load on our servers. I looked at the output before the import. Wrote my own extraction method and test imported it.

It worked perfectly. I then contacted the vendor to have them verify the data set matched under various conditions. It did. My method runs in under 2 minutes vs 60 minutes.

 

They asked, can we use your method? I said certainly.

 

A few months later, they are forcing the purchase of the new adapter for all customers for $4K with annual support of $1.5K This is even for My Company. I wrote the darn thing.

However, we need the analysis part of the software, so we have no choice but to pay. This is some serious cash! I am not pissed about it. I just want my adapter covered! But no.

 

I did not loose anything even if they gained off of my work. Dino should have asked/involved Artrag. I bet he would have dedicated a little more time to the project and he would have a nicely published game now.

But that didn't happen and we cannot change the past. But that doesn't mean you cannot change the future.

 

One last tidbit. I was told something by a friend 35 years ago and it hit home and stuck with me. Forgive for you! It is true. No need to carry any "crap" around. Let it go. Shit, Now Disney will be after me.