liveinabin Posted November 10, 2001 Share Posted November 10, 2001 I've just got hold of a 2600jr (the all-black Irish model) and, on testing it, I noticed it had a MUCH better picture than my original woody VCS, is my old vcs just nackered or is there another hardware reason for this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister VCS Posted November 10, 2001 Share Posted November 10, 2001 Which version of the woodgrain do you own? The picture on the 6switch is perfect. I have problems with the picture on my 4 switch at some games. View my recent posts for details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liveinabin Posted November 12, 2001 Author Share Posted November 12, 2001 Its not a heavy sixer. Its a PAL Atari-wong VCS unit. I suppose, because its aerial lead is hard wired, and the console IS getting on for 25, it could be a bit worn out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzlenz Posted January 3, 2002 Share Posted January 3, 2002 Maybe the 2600 Jr. had an updated graphics chip? no idea but I can't compare them as I don't own the original 2600, although I do have 3 2600 Jr's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skatepunk60 Posted January 11, 2002 Share Posted January 11, 2002 aerial lead? thats the part that plugs into the switchbox? that aint hard wired open it up. And i cant se a diff maybe its the PAL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liveinabin Posted January 17, 2002 Author Share Posted January 17, 2002 Ah yeah, we in PAL world have very different connectors to you guys. But on the woodgrain, yeah - the video lead (that goes to TV) is soldered into the unit. Hmm, I'd like to do a composite mod for it but I'm pretty sure that all the guides for this are for NTSC machines only. (not sure if theres any difference, My US gamecube works on my PAL tv with composite input) Any help on how to do that on a PAL system would be great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Monkey Posted January 18, 2002 Share Posted January 18, 2002 liveinabin: That's a CANADIAN GameCube! Is the aerial lead soldered onto the board at the same spot that the RCA jack is featured on the NTSC VCS? I am assuming you've looked at images of the VCS internals... I'm only asking out of curiosity, because I have no PAL information myself. I am still waiting for a solution for NTSC A/V mods. Apparently Chris Wilkson will be producing a kit, but I haven't heard anything about it for a long time. I was successful at modding a Jr. about 5 years ago, but then I sold it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liveinabin Posted January 18, 2002 Author Share Posted January 18, 2002 Hehe, sorry - I was just getting into the American spirit by rubbishing or at least ignoring Canada I've heard all sorts of conflicting things about the differences between PAL and NTSC ataris. I'll leave it till I know for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skatepunk60 Posted January 18, 2002 Share Posted January 18, 2002 could you get a pic of where its soldered into the board Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liveinabin Posted January 19, 2002 Author Share Posted January 19, 2002 er..well - I don't have a digital camera so it might be a while before I can justify any 'real' film on it. But..yeah, sure. Heres a thought- I have an NES with both RF out and composite outputs, there just HAS to be something in that I can butcher and stick in the Atari. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skatepunk60 Posted January 20, 2002 Share Posted January 20, 2002 ahh yeah i tryed to put composite on my jr. Didnt work maybe Ill try it out the RF thing and Im pretty sure I no how. I dont have a digi cam either but im gonna work on that right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liveinabin Posted January 20, 2002 Author Share Posted January 20, 2002 Since I have no idea where RI is, do you have an NTSC or PAL atari? Opened my jr up today, and the video bits are utterly different, none of that stuff in the composite instructions is lurking in MY Atari. Surely SOMEONE must know how a PAL atari works, and how to composite mod it. C'mon! help!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skatepunk60 Posted January 20, 2002 Share Posted January 20, 2002 Its a state in USA (noone knows it) Im NTSC man i wanna try to search the web to find a pic of a PAL jr. pcb and I maybe able to tell ya what to do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted January 20, 2002 Share Posted January 20, 2002 quote: Originally posted by skatepunk60: Its a state in USA (noone knows it) Im NTSC man i wanna try to search the web to find a pic of a PAL jr. pcb and I maybe able to tell ya what to do I know where it is, as I've lived in Southeastern Connecticut and Eastern Massachusetts and have had to drive through Rhode Island many times. Doesn't take very long. Also used to go to Warwick sometimes for shopping when I was in Connecticut. ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skatepunk60 Posted January 20, 2002 Share Posted January 20, 2002 Holy poop, someone acctually knows where it is? Aint it like the smallest state in the world i mean damn conn mass and ri should be 1 state ( look at canada there states are huge ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liveinabin Posted January 22, 2002 Author Share Posted January 22, 2002 Even I know Rhode Island, as in red, as in Foghorn Leghorn Anyway, update - finally cracked open my 6-switch and found the rf lead ISN'T soldered on, it just plugs in - whoops. As for PAL pcb,s - As soon as I get a film for my SLR, I can post you close-up shots of both the 6-switch and jr model pcbs if it'll help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted January 23, 2002 Share Posted January 23, 2002 I remember, that I had found two very nice PAL schematics (4 and 6 switch) somewhere in the www about 6 months ago. Unfortunately I've lost the images and I can't remember where I found them. They must be somewhere out there... But I gave the printouts to a friend, who wanted to modify his 2600. Perhaps he still has them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted January 23, 2002 Share Posted January 23, 2002 Correction: I found the PAL schematics on my HD and just posted them to AtariAge! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted January 23, 2002 Share Posted January 23, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Thomas Jentzsch: Correction: I found the PAL schematics on my HD and just posted them to AtariAge! And I just received 'em. These will be easy to put online, since they were drawn in a paint program vs. the others which were scans of paper documents and needed a bit of work before I could put them online. Thanks! ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liveinabin Posted January 24, 2002 Author Share Posted January 24, 2002 SING HOSANNAH! My family will dine on composite! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Atari Posted March 10, 2002 Share Posted March 10, 2002 My 6-switches have excellent quality, 2600 JR. is good, 7800 not bad. Vader is good from what I remember (I'm waiting till I get a replacement cord, my current one is a bit chewed), 4-switch woodgrain not the clearest in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radfoo Posted March 14, 2002 Share Posted March 14, 2002 Last year I bodged together a portable atari system of my own from an PAL Atari Junior and used the a/v mod from the VCSP site. The picture quality was great but it changed the system into and NTSC machine. Which worked okay on my mini TV but the colours were the NTSC versions (so i needed ntsc carts for stuff to look right) There is a good picture of the NTSC PCB Atari Junior on the Atari CE site. If I can find my digital camera I'll take one of my pal junior. From what I remember the PAL version uses extra circuitry just to the left of the chips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radfoo Posted March 14, 2002 Share Posted March 14, 2002 I just took a picture of a PAL Atari Junior at http://www.itstoast.co.uk/at.JPG. (I broke it when I was experimenting making my own portable atari). See how the PAL version has the extra circuitry in the bottom left compared to the NTSC model http://www.classicgaming.com/2600ce/detail...hiwconsole.html. Maybe composite should be hooked up to this extra circuit!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skatepunk60 Posted March 15, 2002 Share Posted March 15, 2002 quotebodged Do you watch "junkyard wars" too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radfoo Posted March 15, 2002 Share Posted March 15, 2002 Yep, I did'nt do a great job. The main problem was the a/v signal and finding a good size case for it all. hmmmm not sure if I should admit to it but, yes I have been know to watch Junkyard Wars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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