zeropolis79 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Apologies - i've changed the settings and I'll do an amendment video after I've had my breakfast Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/284026-space-harrier-update-2018/page/7/#findComment-4227852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeropolis79 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 As I said, I don't know the technical stuff about Atari 8-bit but I welcome educating about it but many thanks Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/284026-space-harrier-update-2018/page/7/#findComment-4227853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeropolis79 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 The video amendment is at : https://youtu.be/ifPMbzsWEtQ 4 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/284026-space-harrier-update-2018/page/7/#findComment-4227868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwilove Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 I might as well ask this question. Seeing that no one has asked about it before? What is the reason for the dark colours for the sprite objects? I guess it's a hardware complication - that you don't have a choice of what colours you can use? I would have thought that using normal bright colours would be the preferred option? This is the only query I have, regarding this excellent conversion. Harvey Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/284026-space-harrier-update-2018/page/7/#findComment-4227877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 (edited) As I said, I don't know the technical stuff about Atari 8-bit but I welcome educating about it but many thanks No problem; most people wouldn't know about using that setting unless someone told them. Chris used to have a website that talked about technical development details for the Atari 8-bit version of Space Harrier; but the site was taken down shortly after release of the first version. Chris used a technique of quickly flipping between two screens with partially differing color palettes for adding more perceived color to the overall display of various objects. If you want a better idea of what's going on, turn "Frame Blending" back off, then go to the "Speed" settings (on the same options panel) and use the "Speed Adjustment" slider to set the system to some lower percentage of normal speed (10% or 15% for instance). Edited February 26, 2019 by MrFish 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/284026-space-harrier-update-2018/page/7/#findComment-4228062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeropolis79 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Many thanks for the comments. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/284026-space-harrier-update-2018/page/7/#findComment-4228097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 (edited) The colors and base were darkened slightly per players request. look at the original and then this version. Of course one can use the controls on their crt/monitor to brighten/darken etc etc per their own tastes, sounds like you wants them choice of palettes and bright dark etc controls in game...Mr. KiwiHarv?? Edited February 27, 2019 by _The Doctor__ 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/284026-space-harrier-update-2018/page/7/#findComment-4228622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Chris used to have a website that talked about technical development details for the Atari 8-bit version of Space Harrier; but the site was taken down shortly after release of the first version. Silly me... we have the WayBack Machine to retell the past. This looks like the last version/date: SheddyShack - Space Harrier XE (June 2009) That version/date for the site doesn't have pictures; some other versions/dates for the site do. 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/284026-space-harrier-update-2018/page/7/#findComment-4228793 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peruchi Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 (edited) It would be possible to have this game in .atr format? So that I could run it from the Sdrive-Max with my XEGS... Edited February 28, 2019 by Peruchi 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/284026-space-harrier-update-2018/page/7/#findComment-4229479 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Knight Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 It would be possible to have this game in .atr format? So that I could run it from the Sdrive-Max with my XEGS... Or even XEX? Is there a reason why it appears to be a cart only build? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/284026-space-harrier-update-2018/page/7/#findComment-4229603 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DrVenkman Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Agreed - an ATR or XEX file version would be fantastic. It might require more RAM but a good percentage of active hobbyists have machines with 128K - 1MB memory to take advantage of it. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/284026-space-harrier-update-2018/page/7/#findComment-4229617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrathchild Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 It uses an AtariMax bank switching model which presents an 8KB bank selected from the cartridge through the address window at $A000->$BFFF This is an 8Mb(it) / 1MB(yte) model which means there are 128 banks in total which are selected by addressing the cartridge bus at $D500->$D57F. Any addressing of $D580->$D5FF disabled the cartridge area enabling the RAM there to be accessed. With cart-conversions the approach normally centres around moving all of the cartridge memory into extended memory. So most of those done to date would be for XEGS type cartridges which are normally 64KB or 128KB and so can fit on the 128K/256K expanded machines. So far so good, copying blocks of data elsewhere is straight-forward enough but immediately we see you need a machine with 1MB and loading the data is (I think) going to take over 20 seconds to transfer from a fast device . The next hurdle is that the extended memory window sits between $4000->$7FFF, so 16KB rather than the 8KB bank size of the AtariMax carts from $A000. Therefore all code pertaining to the bank selection and then what is done with that data would have to be handled by Sheddy as well as possibly shuffling around other code/data to fit around the extended memory window area. So whilst not impossible, a fair bit of effort. Seeing as an 8Mbit Maxflash image can also been run from devices such as the Ultimate Cart, The!Cart and an AVG Cart then you are not tied to just a physical AtariMax cart to play this game 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/284026-space-harrier-update-2018/page/7/#findComment-4229633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Sheddy Posted March 1, 2019 Author Share Posted March 1, 2019 Is there a xex version for computers with RAM expansion? Not this version. It would take a lot of work to make a 1024K xex. I'm not sure if Fandel managed it with the 2011 version in the end. How long does it take to load a 1024K program even with a high speed loader? I just don't like the idea of that. I would want to rewite it to use less RAM, which would be much, much more work. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/284026-space-harrier-update-2018/page/7/#findComment-4229636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
iesposta Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Thanks to everyone who worked on this! AtariMax 8mega cartridge running on 64K 800XL NTSC plays great! Many amazing things going on here: Space Harrier working on both NTSC and PAL, playing SEGA game with large sprites on the 1979 home computer hardware, the extra colours technique, speech during gameplay, etc. 3 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/284026-space-harrier-update-2018/page/7/#findComment-4237035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rensoup Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 Hi, I'm just curious if there's any plan on releasing the source code ? or maybe just the sampled sound replay code ? Cheers. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/284026-space-harrier-update-2018/page/7/#findComment-4267732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irgendwer Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 (edited) I'm just curious if there's any plan on releasing the source code ? or maybe just the sampled sound replay code ? The source code is available (AFAIR it was posted here in the original thread), but I'm too lazy to browse for it now. You can find the discussion about the sample player here: http://atariage.com/forums/topic/123208-playing-samples/ Edited April 30, 2019 by Irgendwer 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/284026-space-harrier-update-2018/page/7/#findComment-4267737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
snicklin Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 I believe though could be wrong that the original source code for the 2011 release was released, but not the updated version. Am willing to be corrected if that is not the case. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/284026-space-harrier-update-2018/page/7/#findComment-4267748 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rensoup Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 The source code is available (AFAIR it was posted here in the original thread), but I'm too lazy to browse for it now. You can find the discussion about the sample player here: http://atariage.com/forums/topic/123208-playing-samples/ That was fast, thanks! The 2018 release would be great indeed, I'm interested in understanding how to play samples while modifying PM graphics and position every scanline. 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/284026-space-harrier-update-2018/page/7/#findComment-4267762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Sheddy Posted May 5, 2019 Author Share Posted May 5, 2019 Space Harrier doesn't do both sample and screen changes every scan line, you probably would need some kind of screen kernel for that, rather than interrupts. SH Source.zip 7 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/284026-space-harrier-update-2018/page/7/#findComment-4270322 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rensoup Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 Thanks for the source! A screen kernel like an A2600 kernel with WSync every scanline ? Doesn't seem too good for what I want to do... I'm going to study this a little more. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/284026-space-harrier-update-2018/page/7/#findComment-4270345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tezz Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 (edited) Thanks for the source! A screen kernel like an A2600 kernel with WSync every scanline ? Doesn't seem too good for what I want to do... I'm going to study this a little more. We have the ability to make use of a POKEY timer and drop non-maskable interrupts all together. Edited May 5, 2019 by Tezz 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/284026-space-harrier-update-2018/page/7/#findComment-4270353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PixelCrunch Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Hey, Sheddy, after this project is finally 100% completed, what will you do next after Space Harrier? OutRun or Hang-On! on the Atari 7800? 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/284026-space-harrier-update-2018/page/7/#findComment-4338344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 This was a labor of love, in respects to a sibling. Great story, perhaps Sheddy will share it with everyone. It's inspirational in my book. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/284026-space-harrier-update-2018/page/7/#findComment-4338607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giles N Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 On 10/16/2018 at 10:02 AM, Sheddy said: Updated version with RastaConverter based title screen, serious bug fixes and some other bits and pieces to make things easier. Not tested on real hardware yet, so interested if you come across any problems. *CONFIRMED CRASHES WITH CONSOLE KEYS PAUSE* NTSC colors may be poor still *Fixed on attached versions* NB .bin version is for AtariMax 8Mbit cart type (old and new) New title screen and attract mode https://youtu.be/5GYyB_evG0I space-harrier-black(64K).zip 404.63 kB · 331 downloads space-harrier-black(64K).bin 1 MB · 111 downloads Hi, Do you know if its technically possible to convert or run this on a 5200 console, say with a 5200 cart with SD insert? Or would it need to be reprogrammed, or is it just incompatible with hardware? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/284026-space-harrier-update-2018/page/7/#findComment-4380138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
siccoyote Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 This looks and sounds amazing. I just got into Atari 8-bit by getting an Uno cart to use with my XEGS. I wish there was a 128k cart of this, even if it was just a couple of levels demo. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/284026-space-harrier-update-2018/page/7/#findComment-4532904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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