ARETHIUS Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 For me the games that would benefit from a rapid fire are: - Raiden - Trevor Mac Fur - Zero 5 - Xenon 2:megablast And maybe both Hover Strike 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/304243-rapid-fire-20/page/2/#findComment-4531418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+grips03 Posted May 7, 2020 Author Share Posted May 7, 2020 Does someone have a copy of Xenon 2 they could loan me? I live in USA. I would return after I find out the CPS that would work best for this game. If there is a rom for testing Xenon 2 that would be great. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/304243-rapid-fire-20/page/2/#findComment-4531425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerosquare Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 (edited) I don't think there's a publicly available ROM for Xenon 2, but maybe @CyranoJ has some kind of test ROM he could send to you. Edited May 7, 2020 by Zerosquare 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/304243-rapid-fire-20/page/2/#findComment-4531614 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+grips03 Posted May 9, 2020 Author Share Posted May 9, 2020 Design works perfect. Going to make changes to the PCB to allow for easier / better install. This project is really looking awesome. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/304243-rapid-fire-20/page/2/#findComment-4533299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Saturn Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, grips03 said: Design works perfect. Going to make changes to the PCB to allow for easier / better install. This project is really looking awesome. Nice! 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/304243-rapid-fire-20/page/2/#findComment-4533301 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+grips03 Posted May 10, 2020 Author Share Posted May 10, 2020 Beta2 pcb is ordered - this is for easy install / layout. I saved Beta3 for cost reduction. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/304243-rapid-fire-20/page/2/#findComment-4533509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+grips03 Posted May 10, 2020 Author Share Posted May 10, 2020 I have three different types of controllers here that I plan to test the mod in. Gray keypad Black keypad Starwander Pro Controller Does anyone have Atari brand Pro Controller that would need rapid fire? I'm thinking no, as they cost so much money and hence people would not want to mod. Does that sound right? 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/304243-rapid-fire-20/page/2/#findComment-4533513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Saturn Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 24 minutes ago, grips03 said: I have three different types of controllers here that I plan to test the mod in. Gray keypad Black keypad Starwander Pro Controller Does anyone have Atari brand Pro Controller that would need rapid fire? I'm thinking no, as they cost so much money and hence people would not want to mod. Does that sound right? Sounds right to me. I have a couple of them but I see no point digging them out to be modded when RePros are available. I wouldn't mind having them done but with so much use over the years, my originals are looking a little worn and I'd much rather have a brand new and crisp looking controller hacked as it would probably last longer 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/304243-rapid-fire-20/page/2/#findComment-4533524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+grips03 Posted May 11, 2020 Author Share Posted May 11, 2020 Does anyone know of a Jag controller test program that would display cycles per second for the actions buttons? In this case B button. I can see results on my scope, but thought it would be neat with Game Drive coming out for the joystick test program to show cycles per second for rapid fire on the screen. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/304243-rapid-fire-20/page/2/#findComment-4534259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerosquare Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 No such program exists as far as I know. There's a joypad test program from Matthias Domin, but it only displays the states of the buttons, not the firing rate. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/304243-rapid-fire-20/page/2/#findComment-4534422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+grips03 Posted May 21, 2020 Author Share Posted May 21, 2020 Rapid fire rev 2 pcb shipped today. I hope to have for this weekend. This for use with larger tactile switch and hopefully easier / cleaner install. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/304243-rapid-fire-20/page/2/#findComment-4542869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Saturn Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 Sweet 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/304243-rapid-fire-20/page/2/#findComment-4542873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+grips03 Posted May 22, 2020 Author Share Posted May 22, 2020 Tracking now shows Tuesday, but that is just how things are right now. The other parts arrived, so just waiting on the PCBs. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/304243-rapid-fire-20/page/2/#findComment-4543912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+grips03 Posted May 27, 2020 Author Share Posted May 27, 2020 Well tracking shows its an hour drive from my house. Its been there for the last 4 5 6 7 8 days, so my guess is there is a delay in sorting. Hopefully it arrives this week. Looks like it left Springfield, MA after 8 days of being there and now is in route to my post office. Hopefully it arrives next week. Well 12 days to mail something in the US. Anyway its here, so that is great news. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/304243-rapid-fire-20/page/2/#findComment-4549250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+grips03 Posted June 3, 2020 Author Share Posted June 3, 2020 Here are some photos. Photo 4 and 5 are how it should look on all the controller types (besides a real Pro Controller - as I don't own one and would not want to mod it anyway). Hole alignment on Starwander Pro Controller (SPC) is off, will need to fix. The two stock controllers are fine. Going to code the led on/off logic now. After that I'm going to see how nicely to SPC pcb allows for rapid fire to be added. I think it will be fine, but better to check. 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/304243-rapid-fire-20/page/2/#findComment-4554705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+grips03 Posted June 3, 2020 Author Share Posted June 3, 2020 I added an on/off/on led cycle so you know you pressed the button. In the video I cycle from no RF, to 5,6,7,8,9, then no RF. IMG_3643.m4v 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/304243-rapid-fire-20/page/2/#findComment-4554754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Saturn Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 That is awesome 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/304243-rapid-fire-20/page/2/#findComment-4554911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Very nice work. Looks clean! I am looking forward to buying one! 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/304243-rapid-fire-20/page/2/#findComment-4554944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+grips03 Posted June 3, 2020 Author Share Posted June 3, 2020 Stock black & gray and Starwander Pro Controller (SPC) work, however the PCB will need to be smaller in order to fit the SPC. Once that is done all 3 controllers can use the same PCB and pretty much use the same install method. Only delta is on SPC you get power from the bottom / left of the lower (keypad) pcb vs. stock controllers just get from the IC that is facing you. Working with the SPC is easier due to more room, however you need to be careful not to bend the ribbon cable between the controller's top/direction+action and bottom/keypad PCB too much, otherwise the little wires break. The stock Jag controllers have much thicker ribbon cable wire, so less of a concern there. Install requires 6 wires. 28ga rainbow flat ribbon wire worked best. Make into 3 groups of 2 wires each, 6 inches long. Wires will be around 4 inches or less once everything is wired up to the locations needed. Group-1 1-5V 2-GND Group-2 3-LED + 4-LED GND Group-3 5-Col/Pin 3 6-New B One drill hole for the led, little bit bigger than 5/32. Three drill holes in the back. Drill locations are auto aligned using the Jag RF 2.0 pcb. Top and bottom hole for 4-40 screw, 3.09mm or .1215 inch. Needs counter sink, so screw is flush in the back. Middle hole to fit button, 8.34mm or .328 inch 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/304243-rapid-fire-20/page/2/#findComment-4555200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mitch Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 I am assuming by "fake" pro controller you mean the reproduction pro controllers? To clarify, they are not fake, fake implies that they are being falsely sold as OEM. They do not have an Atari logo and are clearly sold as a reproduction not an original Atari product. Calling them reproduction or repro pro controllers would be a better way to describe them. Mitch Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/304243-rapid-fire-20/page/2/#findComment-4555359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+grips03 Posted June 3, 2020 Author Share Posted June 3, 2020 Wow. I never even thought that. Does fake sound bad? I didn't think so. Anyway, I changed it to Starwander Pro Controller (SPC). Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/304243-rapid-fire-20/page/2/#findComment-4555400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mitch Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Well, it does tend to sound a bit negative. I think Starwander Pro Controller is an excellent choice. Mitch Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/304243-rapid-fire-20/page/2/#findComment-4555517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+grips03 Posted June 4, 2020 Author Share Posted June 4, 2020 Rev 2.1 board is ordered. This should fix the physical install stuff. I wanted it to be cost reduction, but I will have to save that for the 4th pcb as I need to breadboard that part first. 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/304243-rapid-fire-20/page/2/#findComment-4555964 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+grips03 Posted June 5, 2020 Author Share Posted June 5, 2020 I did some more testing on the Starwander Pro Controller (SPC) and B and Z (aka keypad 7) get enabled for rapid fire when rapid fire is turned on. Please note B and Z still work independently. Its not like if you press and hold B, then some how Z is being pressed, its not. Its just if you press and hold Z, then Z also has rapid fire (if rapid fire is enabled). And yes one could press and hold B and Z and have rapid fire for both. If one did not want rapid fire for Z, and rapid fire was enabled, then just press keypad button #7. tech details: What happens is on the SPC's top pcb both B and Z are present. So when the rapid fire microcontroller changes Pin3/Col3 to be Rapid Fire or no Rapid Fire it changes it for everything on the top PCB that use Pin3/Col3, namely both B and Z. If you want to remove rapid fire from Z on the SPC. It requires cutting a thin trace on the SPC's top board and then scraping the solder mask off and soldering NewB wire to this point vs. using the normal rapid fire insertion point at the ribbon cable. Since the SPC's top pcb trace going to Z and B is so thin it can rip up very easily. It also might make sense to drill a small hole in the top pcb and route the 30awg kynar wire to that spot. Best drill location is likely just above the two holes you see in the picture below. I would drill right through the trace in question. I'm using kapton tape to hold the backside of the top pcb and wire in place, but perhaps hot glue or something else might be better. I'm looking for a recommendation if you have one. I would only recommend doing this for people who don't care if they ruin the SPC's top pcb. Please do not try this if you are not really good at soldering. I would charge $20 more for this single wire and think most people will be happy with rapid fire for both B and Z on the SPC. It's a feature For stock Jag controllers Pin3/Col3 on the top pcb affects B only. SPC notes: Z=7 Y=8 X=9 LB = 4 RB = 6 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/304243-rapid-fire-20/page/2/#findComment-4556253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+grips03 Posted June 5, 2020 Author Share Posted June 5, 2020 So far Starwander Pro Controller (SPC) with rapid fire feels the best for Raiden Just press RF button twice for 6 CPS and have fun. This is what the blue shot looks like after collecting them in level 1. Video is beginning of level 2. IMG_3744.m4v Here is 6 CPS RF at the start of the game with no power ups. Holding B down. IMG_3746.m4v and with no RF, holding B down. IMG_3747.m4v 1 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/304243-rapid-fire-20/page/2/#findComment-4556265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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