Caco Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 My first attempt. Gridrunner is a very random game ... Gridrunner - 14810 SWAT - 13097 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/305989-hsc17-round-8-la-swat-gridrunner/page/2/#findComment-4523361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+therealbountybob Posted April 28, 2020 Author Share Posted April 28, 2020 First Tables Using Highest level reached on Gridrunner to break any tied positions so please post this everyone. Makes it worth something as you can get a lower score by getting further, this can be from any go, not just your highest score go. Yes it does put me ahead, I don't just make this up Speaking of which... UPDATED: Season 17 Current Standings Gotta watch out for McKong OVERALL R7 Table 1st therealbountybob 16.9 12pts* 2nd McKong 16 11pts 3rd Deteacher 15 10pts 4th graywest 13 9pts 5th Caco 9 8pts 6th slx 6.? 7pts 6th devwebcl 6.? 7pts 8th carlsson 5 5pts 9th pusakat 3 4pts 10th Fres 2 3pts * the .9 is the level reached on gridrunner LA SWAT 1st Deteacher 51,906 10 2nd McKong 46,242 9 3rd therealbountybob 39,430 8 4th graywest 39,332 7 5th devwebcl 32,530 6 6th Caco 13,097 5 7th slx 4,117 4 8th pusakat 3,817 3 9th carlsson 3,105 2 10th Fres 2,389 1 Gridrunner 1st therealbountybob 53,890 8 2nd McKong 41,370 7 3rd graywest 31,080 6 4th Deteacher 20,740 5 5th Caco 14,810 4 6th carlsson 13,020 3 7th slx 9,130 2 8th Fres 2,360 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/305989-hsc17-round-8-la-swat-gridrunner/page/2/#findComment-4523382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
McKong Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Grid Runner 53200 level 8 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/305989-hsc17-round-8-la-swat-gridrunner/page/2/#findComment-4523495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
McKong Bro Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 LA Swat 7899 Grid Runner 9560 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/305989-hsc17-round-8-la-swat-gridrunner/page/2/#findComment-4523528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimo Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Gridrunner 13768 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/305989-hsc17-round-8-la-swat-gridrunner/page/2/#findComment-4523536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimo Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Gridrunner 13768 LA swat 3516 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/305989-hsc17-round-8-la-swat-gridrunner/page/2/#findComment-4523548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+therealbountybob Posted April 28, 2020 Author Share Posted April 28, 2020 LA SWAT 71,550 level 5. I'm back on the first of three joysticks who is firing again as holding up is not good for them! Gridrunner 69,780 level 10 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/305989-hsc17-round-8-la-swat-gridrunner/page/2/#findComment-4523815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsson Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 (edited) oo oo oooooo oooooo oooo oo oo oo oo oo oo oo oo oo oo oooo oo oooooooo oo oo oo ooo ooo oo oo oo oo oo oo oo So I switched to my NTSC 800 and loaded the same ATR that trbb provided. First game plays perfectly fine, then it freezes! What is going on, is it my Starplex joystick that sends a combined input signal that causes the game to lock up? Is it the SIO2SD that somehow sets some values wrong upon loading? I'll see if switching to a traditional joystick makes a difference. Edit: Not entirely sure, but I played multiple games without issues with an alternative joystick. Then I took a chance and switched back, and on the second game it froze. Hm, I wonder if I'm having crosstalk on some wires, though pretty much I have never observed it before. LA Swat - 6001 pts (reached level 2 but didn't realize hostages must not be shot...) Edited April 28, 2020 by carlsson 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/305989-hsc17-round-8-la-swat-gridrunner/page/2/#findComment-4523823 Share on other sites More sharing options...
McKong Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 9 hours ago, therealbountybob said: LA SWAT 71,550 level 5. I'm back on the first of three joysticks who is firing again as holding up is not good for them! Gridrunner 69,780 level 10 They're two good scores 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/305989-hsc17-round-8-la-swat-gridrunner/page/2/#findComment-4524222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimo Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 9 hours ago, carlsson said: oo oo oooooo oooooo oooo oo oo oo oo oo oo oo oo oo oo oooo oo oooooooo oo oo oo ooo ooo oo oo oo oo oo oo oo So I switched to my NTSC 800 and loaded the same ATR that trbb provided. First game plays perfectly fine, then it freezes! What is going on, is it my Starplex joystick that sends a combined input signal that causes the game to lock up? Is it the SIO2SD that somehow sets some values wrong upon loading? I'll see if switching to a traditional joystick makes a difference. Edit: Not entirely sure, but I played multiple games without issues with an alternative joystick. Then I took a chance and switched back, and on the second game it froze. Hm, I wonder if I'm having crosstalk on some wires, though pretty much I have never observed it before. LA Swat - 6001 pts (reached level 2 but didn't realize hostages must not be shot...) That is really odd behaviour. I have tried several .atr's and have not had an issue (other than my crap gameplay) Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/305989-hsc17-round-8-la-swat-gridrunner/page/2/#findComment-4524242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimo Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 10 hours ago, therealbountybob said: LA SWAT 71,550 level 5. I'm back on the first of three joysticks who is firing again as holding up is not good for them! Bob, I can probably find you an OK CX-40 if you are desperate. I would just need to work out a way to post it without leaving my house Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/305989-hsc17-round-8-la-swat-gridrunner/page/2/#findComment-4524244 Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsson Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 (edited) I noticed if you push all directions at the same time and press fire, the player sprite disappears. Of course a regular joystick is not capable of this but the five button Starplex is not a regular joystick. Not that it per se crashes the game, but I should probably do some testing and measuring. I assume Altirra can be setup with keyboard based joystick emulation so it would be possible to simulate combinations of left+right, up+down, with or without fire to see if that really is what causes the game to lock up. Edit: Nope, Altirra does not support contradicting joystick movement. If you push up + down it reads out as no direction at all, same about left + right. Of course true diagonals work fine, but for this purpose it is not suitable to test the behavior. Perhaps some other A8 emulator can do this. Edit 2: Ok, Atari800win does the same so perhaps this is a limitation of BASIC STICK(0) command, not the emulator. I need to find another joystick testing program to be sure. Edit 3: PEEK(632) yields the same values as STICK(0) but perhaps some games read the joystick from raw hardware rather than what the OS has parsed for them. Edit 4: Never trust emulation. Real Atari 800 reads all directions at the same time as I had expected from the start. Since some combinations of two keys work in emulation but some don't (and it applies both to Altirra and Atari800win) it couldn't really be a Windows issue, but rather on purpose programming of respective emulator? Anyway it would require a disassembly of LA Swat to identify how it handles joystick input and if any unexpected combination of inputs would cause it to freeze. Edited April 29, 2020 by carlsson 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/305989-hsc17-round-8-la-swat-gridrunner/page/2/#findComment-4524249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
McKong Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 2 hours ago, mimo said: Bob, I can probably find you an OK CX-40 if you are desperate. I would just need to work out a way to post it without leaving my house Some couriers do a collection service. Parcel2go is a good site https://www.parcel2go.com/ 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/305989-hsc17-round-8-la-swat-gridrunner/page/2/#findComment-4524303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedThunder Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 (edited) SWAT 2917 4517 Gridrunner 0 Edited April 29, 2020 by RedThunder Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/305989-hsc17-round-8-la-swat-gridrunner/page/2/#findComment-4524391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+therealbountybob Posted April 29, 2020 Author Share Posted April 29, 2020 @mimo that's kind of you but I'm ok thanks, I try and preserve certain sticks for some games, the holding up ones are the killers - probably I should swap sticks between the two games as I need the Quickshot's movement for Gridrunner and probably a comp pro or stiffer stick for SWAT @McKong has updated his games suggestion list - other's welcome to do this. I think one more regularish round then we can do a tourney / theme round for on round 10 @carlsson, a game might be programmed to read the values 0 to 15 and then branch off based on the inputs using a table of addressed so it may have 0's or dummy invalid addresses in for the illegal values - that might be the reason it crashes. @everyone "May the Power of the Grid be with you" 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/305989-hsc17-round-8-la-swat-gridrunner/page/2/#findComment-4524477 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimo Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, therealbountybob said: @mimo that's kind of you but I'm ok thanks, I try and preserve certain sticks for some games, the holding up ones are the killers - probably I should swap sticks between the two games as I need the Quickshot's movement for Gridrunner and probably a comp pro or stiffer stick for SWAT No worries. I've just re-belted my 410, just waiting for a PSU now 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/305989-hsc17-round-8-la-swat-gridrunner/page/2/#findComment-4524479 Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsson Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 A bit off topic, but I had a brief attempt at debugging in Altirra but I get absolutely nowhere. I don't understand anything about its debugger. Give me the VICE monitor any day! ? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/305989-hsc17-round-8-la-swat-gridrunner/page/2/#findComment-4524497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadrunner Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 Gridrunner reached level 3 11,840 LA Swat 3,017 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/305989-hsc17-round-8-la-swat-gridrunner/page/2/#findComment-4524771 Share on other sites More sharing options...
graywest Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 (edited) Gridrunner: 69,710 (level 10) LA SWAT: 47,930 Edited April 29, 2020 by graywest 3 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/305989-hsc17-round-8-la-swat-gridrunner/page/2/#findComment-4524808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mangia-Boy Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 Gridrunner 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/305989-hsc17-round-8-la-swat-gridrunner/page/2/#findComment-4524949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deteacher Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 SWAT: 56,228! Getting better at NOT killing the hostages. 3 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/305989-hsc17-round-8-la-swat-gridrunner/page/2/#findComment-4525243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
McKong Bro Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 (edited) LA Swat 9889 Grid Runner 24100 Edited April 30, 2020 by McKong Bro 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/305989-hsc17-round-8-la-swat-gridrunner/page/2/#findComment-4525312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+therealbountybob Posted April 30, 2020 Author Share Posted April 30, 2020 Latest Tables OVERALL R7 Table 1st therealbountybob 26 12pts 2nd graywest 23 11pts 3rd McKong 21 10pts 4th Deteacher 21 9pts 5th McKong Bro 17 9pts 6th Caco 16 8pts 7th carlsson 12 8pts 8th devwebcl 10 7pts 9th mimo 9 6pts 10th slx 7 5pts 11th roadrunner 6 4pts* 12th RedThunder 6 3pts* 13th pusakat 4 2pts 14th Fres 2 2pts *Using Highest level reached on Gridrunner to break any tied positions so please post this everyone LA SWAT 1st therealbountybob 71,550 14 2nd Deteacher 56,228 13 3rd graywest 47,930 12 4th McKong 46,242 11 5th devwebcl 32,530 10 6th Caco 13,097 9 7th McKong Bro 9,889 8 8th carlsson 6,001 7 9th RedThunder 4,517 6 10th slx 4,117 5 11th pusakat 3,817 4 12th mimo 3,516 3 13th roadrunner 3,017 2 14th Fres 2,389 1 Gridrunner 1st therealbountybob 69,780 (10) 12 2nd graywest 69,710 (10) 11 3rd McKong 53,200 (8) 10 4th McKong Bro 24,100 9 5th Deteacher 20,740 8 6th Caco 14,810 7 7th mimo 13,768 6 8th carlsson 13,020 5 9th roadrunner 11,840 (3) 4 10th Mangia-Boy 11,670 3 11th slx 9,130 2 12th Fres 2,360 1 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/305989-hsc17-round-8-la-swat-gridrunner/page/2/#findComment-4525369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimo Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 Swat 5021 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/305989-hsc17-round-8-la-swat-gridrunner/page/2/#findComment-4525397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimo Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 Gridrunner 22130 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/305989-hsc17-round-8-la-swat-gridrunner/page/2/#findComment-4525409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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