+Philsan Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 10 hours ago, Philsan said: I think first post needs to be updated with actual Sophia2 board photo, specs/datasheet and config software. @Simius you can ask Albert to grant you the right to update first post. 5 hours ago, MrFSL said: Throw the latest version of the configuration software in there and you will be truly in business!! Link to configuration software added and Simius tagged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+David_P Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 Installed in a 800xl. All I can say is wow! On the DVI connection it's incredible! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathewbeall Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 I have the same use case as @aleomark. I have an Atari 5200 that I want to output to a SCART switcher that goes into my PVM. I see the pinouts from the DVI connector to the SCART standard. Was curious if anyone is making these, or if I have to get the connectors and wire it up myself. Thanks! Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) WOW......That is almost all I can say re the HDMI display....Only on Altirra have I seen a display so crisp and clear..Razor sharp... I've not ran the config program, I think I read that the Sophia auto sets itself to the machine? Need to run the config still? (must read its manual...) Edited December 30, 2020 by Mclaneinc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+David_P Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 My only wish now is a simple DVI to HDMI adaptor that lets me patch in the audio from either the monitor port (mono) or RCA (if I ever make this machine stereo), so it's a single cable to whatever big screen TV I want to work/play on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 You'll have to take it either directly off the composite socket or stereo board if you get one, the DVI itself has no audio connections unlike the HDMI. Easiest to make a 5 pin din to twin phono lead (shorted for mono) and use that as most TV's still have phono connections for inputs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+David_P Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 10 minutes ago, Mclaneinc said: You'll have to take it either directly off the composite socket or stereo board if you get one, the DVI itself has no audio connections unlike the HDMI. Easiest to make a 5 pin din to twin phono lead (shorted for mono) and use that as most TV's still have phono connections for inputs. Yes, but if I'm converting DVI to HDMI for a TV input anyways, I'd rather have a single plug at the far end... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) Not all modern TV's allow L/R analog audio inputs to work when it detects HDMI. I know neither of my TV/monitors I use right now allow it. I have the Atari audio going directly to an amplifier and/or self-amplified PC speakers. Which I do anyway, and for decades because no matter how good the sound output on a TV, it's never as good as what I get from separate audio systems. That's why sound bars are so popular these days. Edited December 30, 2020 by Gunstar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 34 minutes ago, David_P said: My only wish now is a simple DVI to HDMI adaptor that lets me patch in the audio from either the monitor port (mono) or RCA (if I ever make this machine stereo), so it's a single cable to whatever big screen TV I want to work/play on. https://www.amazon.com/Premium-Injector-Encoder-Repeater-Function/dp/B07WDJN4VS should do the trick 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrZarniwoop Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 16 minutes ago, Mclaneinc said: DVI itself has no audio connections unlike the HDMI Some PC/Mac graphics adapter cards with DVI-D use non-standard extensions to output HDMI signals including audio like the ATI 3000-series and NVIDIA GTX 200-series, and their DVI-to-HDMI adapters pass that audio. I used one on a Mac for many years to an HDMI display with audio. But for our vintage/retro Atari electronics I suspect we'd still need to convert internal audio to what HDMI wants, so it may be harder than simply wiring up the internal audio to the non-standard DVI pins? But, I'd guess you might be able to use something that inserted audio to the HDMI like this: StarTech.com DVI to HDMI Video Converter with Audio (~$62-74 USD on Amazon) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+David_P Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, MrZarniwoop said: But, I'd guess you might be able to use something that inserted audio to the HDMI like this: StarTech.com DVI to HDMI Video Converter with Audio (~$62-74 USD on Amazon) Exactly what I'd like, but the price point is a bit high - though someone is selling reconditioned units on eBay for $20... https://www.ebay.com/itm/Startech-DVI-to-HDMI-Video-Convertor-With-Audio-DVI2HDMIA/224053588270?hash=item342aa2712e:g:kWUAAOSwMNhe8CZc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrZarniwoop Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 1 minute ago, David_P said: Exactly what I'd like, but the price point is a bit high - though someone is selling reconditioned units on eBay for $20... https://www.ebay.com/itm/Startech-DVI-to-HDMI-Video-Convertor-With-Audio-DVI2HDMIA/224053588270?hash=item342aa2712e:g:kWUAAOSwMNhe8CZc Snatch that bargain up! It probably originally cost around that much to make. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Thank you for the info re the DVD-D @MrZarniwoop I didn't know about those ones.. I love the idea of the add on but the price (no matter how good it is) is too high for me, I'd rather go the cheap and cheerful route 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFSL Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 40 minutes ago, MrZarniwoop said: Some PC/Mac graphics adapter cards with DVI-D use non-standard extensions to output HDMI signals including audio like the ATI 3000-series and NVIDIA GTX 200-series, and their DVI-to-HDMI adapters pass that audio. I believe the way these passed audio on DVI: 1) Requires a special dongle to convert the signal to hdmi 2) Would remove the ability to have VGA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leech Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 6 hours ago, MrFSL said: I believe the way these passed audio on DVI: 1) Requires a special dongle to convert the signal to hdmi 2) Would remove the ability to have VGA It was funny, guy I know worked at Verizon for aome reason and they were all 100% convinced there that DVI could not carry an audio signal. I showed him my PC connected to my receiver with just a DVI to HDMI cable producing sounds. Why would it remove the ability to have VGA though? You wkuld have to carry the audio elsewhere for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFSL Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 1 hour ago, leech said: It was funny, guy I know worked at Verizon for aome reason and they were all 100% convinced there that DVI could not carry an audio signal. I showed him my PC connected to my receiver with just a DVI to HDMI cable producing sounds. Why would it remove the ability to have VGA though? You wkuld have to carry the audio elsewhere for sure. The guy disagreed with you because the DVI spec does not carry Audio. Nvidia and AMD entered into some sort of agreement to do this, but it was never incorporated into the standard. It is my understanding that nvidia repurposed C1-C5 for Audio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svhovater Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 One of the easiest and most impactful mods I've done. Is there a way to reduce the black border? (Using dvi out) thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 9 minutes ago, svhovater said: One of the easiest and most impactful mods I've done. Is there a way to reduce the black border? (Using dvi out) thanks! Try using different resolutions (using the supplied config utility), and also keep in mind, every monitor will be different for what resolutions it will display, and also how it handles scaling and centering. Another thing to keep in mind, many people forget, don't know, or don't care, but the Atari is old. It's 4:3 (square), not 16:9 (wide rectangle). 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFSL Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 I own the Sophia rev.C and just received my Sophia 2. It never occurred to me (and, yes, I have seen the pictures) just how much smaller the Sophia 2 is. (In my 800xl the rev.C lay over top another chip.) Truly impressive bit of kit for sure. Thanks @Simius!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathy Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Hello MrFSL 18 hours ago, MrFSL said: It never occurred to me (and, yes, I have seen the pictures) just how much smaller the Sophia 2 is. (In my 800xl the rev.C lay over top another chip.) We'd love to see a picture that shows the size difference between the old and the new Sophia. (and I'm not talking about Sophia Petrillo ) Sincerely Mathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFSL Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Sure. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari8guy Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Ahh to have socketed Ataris. My installs will press my abilities with a soldering iron to a level I've never gone before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFSL Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Just now, 8bitguy1 said: Ahh to have socketed Ataris. Yes. The one on the left is partial - the one on the right is fully socketed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFSL Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 On 12/30/2020 at 9:54 AM, David_P said: Exactly what I'd like, but the price point is a bit high - though someone is selling reconditioned units on eBay for $20 On 12/30/2020 at 9:57 AM, MrZarniwoop said: Snatch that bargain up! It probably originally cost around that much to make. Yes, thank you, I did just that. I will have to let you know how well it works when I get a moment. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFSL Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 6 hours ago, MrFSL said: I will have to let you know how well it works when I get a moment. Well. It works and I will attach a short video here to prove it. I did however have a real heck of a time getting it working with my video capture device. I found information on the Amazon site under questions - specifically: ...so in a nutshell I had to un-plug and re-plug the power multiple times for the audio to start working. When connected to a TV set this was not a problem. --- So it works with a bit of messing around. StarTech.mkv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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