+tf_hh Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Hi, some of the Atari ST fans are also 8-Bit fans (and vice versa) and may already know, that I make some little projects to enhance the capatibilities of the Atari 8-Bit family. Some time ago I´ve decided to do the next step and make some stuff for the Atari ST series, too. Find some infos here. PLEASE READ THIS FIRST: All informations (availibity, pricing, links to manuals etc.pp.) is found in my info file - see also link in my signature. This file is updated 2-3 times a month constantly, so bookmark it ? PLEASE don´t ask for prices and availibity here in this thread. See 1.) You don´t need to show interest (what is very nice, indeed). All projects are finished and will be offered independent from request here. See 1.) The first batches of all five shown expansions are ready at mid to end of July 2020. See 1.) Thanks for reading ? Now here´s brief overview... DUAL-TOS Card for Atari ST computers (TOS 1.0x / 2.0x) This expansion can be installed in all Atari ST (except 1040 ST with CPU under the disk drive) and the Mega ST. It enables the usage of any TOS 1.0x version and TOS 2.05 or 2.06. No need to dril holes for switches, just use the existing RESET pushbutton. Eraseable EPROM included, if wanted, preprogrammed with the TOS versions and language of your choice. --- DUAL-TOS Card with Mega ST compatible RTC for Atari ST computers (TOS 1.0x / 2.0x) This expansion can be installed in all Atari ST - except 1040 ST with CPU under the disk drive. For this special version of the 1040 ST a seperate version will offered in the next 3-4 months. The DUAL-TOS Card enables the usage of any TOS 1.0x version and TOS 2.05 or 2.06. No need to dril holes for switches, just use the existing RESET pushbutton. Eraseable EPROM included, if wanted, preprogrammed with the TOS versions and language of your choice. This version has also the Ricoh RTC chip onboard, which is fully compatible to the Mega ST RTC. You don´t need special software, all TOS versions from 1.02 up to 2.06 supports this RTC. Just use the Control Panel to set the clock. --- DUAL-TOS Card with Mega ST compatible RTC for the Atari 1040 STE computer (TOS 1.06 / 1.62 / 2.0x) This expansion is specially made for the Atari 1040 STE only. It´s the first (known to me) expansion which enables a Mega ST compatible RTC for the 1040 STE. Also it enables the usage of two TOS versions which are able to run on an Atari 1040 STE (TOS 1.06, 1.62 and the 2.0x). No need to dril holes for switches, just use the existing RESET pushbutton. One-Time-Programmable PROM included, if wanted, preprogrammed with the TOS versions and language of your choice. You don´t need special software, all TOS versions running on the 1040 STE supports this RTC. Just use the Control Panel to set the clock. --- HD Module for 1.44 HD disk drive for all Atari STs and the 1040 STE This is one of the smallest PCBs with fully automated HD features for the ST series. It supports two drives with different setups (HD/HD, DD/HD, HD/DD, DD/DD), generates automatically the 3 ms step rate pulse and corrects the media change detection problem with standard PC disk drives. It has it´s own clock onboard, so no disturbation to the weak 16 MHz signal from the Shifter occours. You need a HD compatible disk drive which mostly must modified to work with an Atari ST (drive must be set to DS0 and HD-output on pin 2). --- 4 MByte Memory Expansion for all Atari ST and the Mega ST This PCB enables to expand your ST´s memory to 4 MByte. It can be installed in all Atari 260/520/1040 ST/STF/STM/STFM and the Mega ST series. It uses two banks with 2 MByte each, if wanted, only the first bank could be used and the 2nd bank deactivated. --- Reminder: All informations (availibity, pricing, links to manuals etc.pp.) is found in my info file - see also link in my signature. This file is updated 2-3 times a month constantly, so bookmark it ? 11 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/307594-announcement-tfhh-goes-st-some-new-gadgets-made-by-me/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellraiser Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Very cool, great stuff ? 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/307594-announcement-tfhh-goes-st-some-new-gadgets-made-by-me/#findComment-4555337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colleton Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Very nice, thank you! 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/307594-announcement-tfhh-goes-st-some-new-gadgets-made-by-me/#findComment-4555439 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinroh Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Oh wow very cool! Great lineup! I would really like that 1.44 for my Mega ST4. :3 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/307594-announcement-tfhh-goes-st-some-new-gadgets-made-by-me/#findComment-4555564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goochman Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Id really like to get the 4MB expansion for my Mega 2 but dont have the skills to install it. Havent found anyone in the US that does "ST" work. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/307594-announcement-tfhh-goes-st-some-new-gadgets-made-by-me/#findComment-4555688 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leech Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 7 hours ago, Goochman said: Id really like to get the 4MB expansion for my Mega 2 but dont have the skills to install it. Havent found anyone in the US that does "ST" work. After doing a few mods on my 8bits and then doing one on the Falcon, I can say without a doubt I much prefer working on the 8bits. 1) the components are much larger, so easier to work on. 2) I have plenty of them, and only one Falcon! But I have installed Exxos' TOS switcher. I may want to order this one for the 1040 STe, as I would love one without a toggle switch! 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/307594-announcement-tfhh-goes-st-some-new-gadgets-made-by-me/#findComment-4555984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyprian Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 On 6/3/2020 at 9:42 PM, tf_hh said: some of the Atari ST fans are also 8-Bit fans (and vice versa) true. regardless of bitness 8, 16, 32 or 64, just stay Atari /|\ nice projects, I would like to buy one DUAL-TOS 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/307594-announcement-tfhh-goes-st-some-new-gadgets-made-by-me/#findComment-4556393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DarkLord Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 Quick question regarding the TOS switcher for the Mega ST... As this has come up countless times - will it work with an accelerator board such as the AdSpeed or T-boards? In the past, there's always been a conflict which will not let them work together. It's why I don't have TOS v2.06 on the Mega ST that I use to run DarkForce. Oh, before anyone mentions it, I won't give up the accelerator for this computer, it makes the BBS so much "snappier" that I wouldn't give it up. Thanks (and thanks for supporting the Atari community)! 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/307594-announcement-tfhh-goes-st-some-new-gadgets-made-by-me/#findComment-4557434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+tf_hh Posted June 6, 2020 Author Share Posted June 6, 2020 2 hours ago, DarkLord said: As this has come up countless times - will it work with an accelerator board such as the AdSpeed or T-boards? It's why I don't have TOS v2.06 on they Mega ST that I use to run DarkForce. Oh, before anyone mentions it, I won't give up the accelerator for this computer, it makes the BBS so much "snappier" that I wouldn't give it up. The main problem of the most accelerator boards is a dirty implementation of the cache hit/miss logic. For example, some early PAK versions won´t also run with TOS 2.0x, because their initial logic didn´t recognize the TOS 2.0x memory area ($E0000-$E3FFFF). I have only "HyperCache ST" from proVME (16 MHz with 16 KByte cache) boards for the ST series. They work in 2 different Mega ST and works fine with my and other TOS 2.0x solution. IMHO these proVME ones were the only one really 100% working accelerators (can speak for the german market only). Some other accelerators like the HBS240 and other have nasty, hard to catch problems. In some conditions they work flawless, in other environments (specially MIDI equipment with their dongles) spurious problems occours. Can understand, the power of a BBS with 8 MHz standard isn´t a pleasure. That´s why I wrote a lot of parts in my BBS software ("Madness Mailbox-System") in pure assembler Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/307594-announcement-tfhh-goes-st-some-new-gadgets-made-by-me/#findComment-4557554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bikerbob Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 11 hours ago, DarkLord said: Quick question regarding the TOS switcher for the Mega ST... As this has come up countless times - will it work with an accelerator board such as the AdSpeed or T-boards? In the past, there's always been a conflict which will not let them work together. It's why I don't have TOS v2.06 on they Mega ST that I use to run DarkForce. Oh, before anyone mentions it, I won't give up the accelerator for this computer, it makes the BBS so much "snappier" that I wouldn't give it up. Thanks (and thanks for supporting the Atari community)! Hey, I have an Adspeed and a Wizztronics TOS switcher Compatibility Plus that works together. I did try it with Lightning ST and cloudy.. but Adspeed would not allow the IDE to work. James Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/307594-announcement-tfhh-goes-st-some-new-gadgets-made-by-me/#findComment-4557849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNameOfTheGame Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 I'm interested in the 4MByte expansion. My current one is the Marpet and it has that long cable piggy-backed to the mmu. Your design is cleaner, but the manual says the existing ram must not be removed. My 520ST has the ram removed and the Marpet works fine. Yours works differently? 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/307594-announcement-tfhh-goes-st-some-new-gadgets-made-by-me/#findComment-4558845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DarkLord Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 On 6/6/2020 at 3:32 PM, tf_hh said: The main problem of the most accelerator boards is a dirty implementation of the cache hit/miss logic. For example, some early PAK versions won´t also run with TOS 2.0x, because their initial logic didn´t recognize the TOS 2.0x memory area ($E0000-$E3FFFF). I have only "HyperCache ST" from proVME (16 MHz with 16 KByte cache) boards for the ST series. They work in 2 different Mega ST and works fine with my and other TOS 2.0x solution. IMHO these proVME ones were the only one really 100% working accelerators (can speak for the german market only). Some other accelerators like the HBS240 and other have nasty, hard to catch problems. In some conditions they work flawless, in other environments (specially MIDI equipment with their dongles) spurious problems occours. Can understand, the power of a BBS with 8 MHz standard isn´t a pleasure. That´s why I wrote a lot of parts in my BBS software ("Madness Mailbox-System") in pure assembler So my take from this reply is I'd have to buy it and try it to see? Thanks. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/307594-announcement-tfhh-goes-st-some-new-gadgets-made-by-me/#findComment-4558871 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DarkLord Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 On 6/6/2020 at 11:38 PM, Bikerbob said: Hey, I have an Adspeed and a Wizztronics TOS switcher Compatibility Plus that works together. I did try it with Lightning ST and cloudy.. but Adspeed would not allow the IDE to work. James Well, I don't have one of those Wizztronics boards, but that sounds promising. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/307594-announcement-tfhh-goes-st-some-new-gadgets-made-by-me/#findComment-4558872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+tf_hh Posted June 8, 2020 Author Share Posted June 8, 2020 7 hours ago, TheNameOfTheGame said: I'm interested in the 4MByte expansion. My current one is the Marpet and it has that long cable piggy-backed to the mmu. Your design is cleaner, but the manual says the existing ram must not be removed. My 520ST has the ram removed and the Marpet works fine. Yours works differently? In general I also recommend to remove the existing DRAM. Most important reason is the fact, that the 32 DRAM chips (1 MByte) draws a lot of current, make the machine more warm than needed and, 2nd reason, in absolute rare cases it might cause trouble. Not only with my expansion, will all - that´s why some manuals demands the removal of the old RAMs. IMHO it´s not mandatory at all. You have only to cut the connection from CASxL, CASHxH and RASx (x = 0 or 1, banknumber) and connect these three lines directly to high level. This forces the RAMs to be in tri-state and deactivated. 99% of all machines works fine then. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/307594-announcement-tfhh-goes-st-some-new-gadgets-made-by-me/#findComment-4559184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+tf_hh Posted June 8, 2020 Author Share Posted June 8, 2020 7 hours ago, DarkLord said: So my take from this reply is I'd have to buy it and try it to see? I´m sure a lot of people here at AtariAge will prove that I´m absolute standing behind the word "service" and until today I found for every problem a solution - from U.S. to Australia, New Zealand, Japan or wherever. So if you are interested and purchase one of them and it will NOT work, I will help. Or refund. Or whatever is the best way for both sides ? 4 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/307594-announcement-tfhh-goes-st-some-new-gadgets-made-by-me/#findComment-4559187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryleffaovell Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 8 hours ago, tf_hh said: I´m sure a lot of people here at AtariAge will prove that I´m absolute standing behind the word "service" and until today I found for every problem a solution - from U.S. to Australia, New Zealand, Japan or wherever. So if you are interested and purchase one of them and it will NOT work, I will help. Or refund. Or whatever is the best way for both sides ? I can definitely confirm this from my personal experience with @tf_hh 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/307594-announcement-tfhh-goes-st-some-new-gadgets-made-by-me/#findComment-4559539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DarkLord Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 Understood - thanks. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/307594-announcement-tfhh-goes-st-some-new-gadgets-made-by-me/#findComment-4559622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+tf_hh Posted July 17 Author Share Posted July 17 Hi, after a long time of silence I´ve to announce two more little projects for the Atari ST family. The first both editions of my "Clean RAM" series. What is meaned with "Clean RAM"? I´ve made two memory expansions to expand the Atari Mega ST1 to 4 MByte and the Mega ST2 also to 4 MByte. The goal wasn´t the cheapest or easiest installation, but maybe the cutest and most one which simply looks good 🙂 All Clean-RAM models require only one or two short wires to connect to the mainboard, the rest is made using a fixed PCB plugged into some places. Yes, you´ve to solder. Yes, it´s not the easiest way (but, if you have experience in desoldering, it´s not very complicated, you shouldn´t need more than one hour to install it). Here are two pictures of the first new models: CleanRAM for the Mega ST 1 - Find complete instructions and manual here CleanRAM for the Mega ST 2 - Find complete instructions and manual here More "Clean RAM" versions for other ST machines will be made in the future. If you´re interested, please be so kind and read all info in my best-known source, the info-PDF. It has nearly all answers you might need 🙂 Jurgen 6 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/307594-announcement-tfhh-goes-st-some-new-gadgets-made-by-me/#findComment-5501997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 I've used several of tf_hh's products for the 8-bit line. They all work beautifully. I only have a standard 520ST or I'd definitely be in for one of these. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/307594-announcement-tfhh-goes-st-some-new-gadgets-made-by-me/#findComment-5502043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikro Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 (edited) Great idea! If I may suggest the next contender: the slim 260/520 ST(M) models. EDIT: Oh, I see that you already have got some nice 4 MB RAM card for the slim models available. Tempting! Edited July 18 by mikro 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/307594-announcement-tfhh-goes-st-some-new-gadgets-made-by-me/#findComment-5502262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+tf_hh Posted July 18 Author Share Posted July 18 7 hours ago, mikro said: Great idea! If I may suggest the next contender: the slim 260/520 ST(M) models. EDIT: Oh, I see that you already have got some nice 4 MB RAM card for the slim models available. Tempting! Yes, but the standard 4 MB versions requires also a lot of wiring. A CleanRAM edition for the 260/520 ST will be the next published version. 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/307594-announcement-tfhh-goes-st-some-new-gadgets-made-by-me/#findComment-5502365 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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