Synthpopalooza Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 1 hour ago, rensoup said: yeah I saw it but, I'm not gonna lie, I think it took a beating, it's one of those that probably can't be converted properly (maybe) Yes, some colors got dropped. It might be down to analyzing the 35 color interlaced palette generated from the color settings used here. A better render might be possible. All this is, is a blending of two G2Fs, one Antic 4, one GTIA 10, which share the same BAK and PF0-PF3 color settings. It is by no means optimal, sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 7 hours ago, rensoup said: You're not making any sense... all the pics labelled as multicolor are 16 colors. You can download the prg for most of them and run it on a real machine. Screenshots were taken on emulators and may have some effects applied to them which would bump up the number of colors Your conclusion doesn't make sense 1. The images don't show the real thing. 2. You need to buy a C64 to see the real stuff 3. If you don't have the real thing , you'd have to believe what the computer shows to you. 4. Wow: C64 had 28 colors and 16 different lumas. Conclusion: C64 was better than written in the books. If the real thing doesn't exist, you cannot check the facts and have to believe your available sources. They are everywhere, so they might be correct Luckily there are sources, showing the real images, banishing a lot of those flying unicorns. It helps to analyze the image , and to think of solutions ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rensoup Posted August 14, 2020 Author Share Posted August 14, 2020 A bit of progress... ( pic from this demo: https://csdb.dk/release/?id=112424 ) yoda.obx 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Looks good. Do you have enough resources available to mask the sides with black P/M's? Then you can just make the top and bottom strip black with playfield and it'd all look more polished. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRV Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 Couldn't resist doing it with other colors of the A8 palette (Altirra default NTSC): 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 DAMN! That looks fantastic! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 3 hours ago, rensoup said: A bit of progress... ( pic from this demo: https://csdb.dk/release/?id=112424 ) yoda.obx 23.95 kB · 3 downloads Not sure how you built this exactly. But the dli colored border destroys the image. The picture is rather low on colors per scanline. It's 5 to 7. So a unicolor border (dark grey ?) really should be possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebe Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 Rasta Juice, without PMG, only bitmap mode and raster split yoda_rastajuice.mch yoda_rastajuice.xex 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 11 minutes ago, tebe said: Rasta Juice, without PMG, only bitmap mode and raster split yoda_rastajuice.mch 30.12 kB · 1 download yoda_rastajuice.xex 21.71 kB · 1 download You're not allowed to use blue on a C64 image. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 6 hours ago, tebe said: Rasta Juice, without PMG, only bitmap mode and raster split yoda_rastajuice.mch 30.12 kB · 3 downloads yoda_rastajuice.xex 21.71 kB · 6 downloads What Program is saving 8 bit per pixel pngs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebe Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 IrfanView, Paint NET Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivop Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 2 hours ago, emkay said: What Program is saving 8 bit per pixel pngs? The Gimp can do it, too. Image->Mode->Indexed and then export as PNG. If your source has <=256 colours, it's lossless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 (edited) How about Yoda in blue or even some more realistic saffron? Edited August 15, 2020 by emkay 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rensoup Posted August 16, 2020 Author Share Posted August 16, 2020 On 8/15/2020 at 1:50 AM, MrFish said: Looks good. Do you have enough resources available to mask the sides with black P/M's? Then you can just make the top and bottom strip black with playfield and it'd all look more polished. Thanks, regarding masking with PM, it may be possible for this picture but most of the time it's too big a compromise... Well you know the limitations... I'll probably have it as an option though. (I prefer it looking untidy on the border rather than inside) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rensoup Posted August 16, 2020 Author Share Posted August 16, 2020 On 8/15/2020 at 9:50 AM, tebe said: Rasta Juice, without PMG, only bitmap mode and raster split I don't know what Yoda's been up to but he's got green goo in his hair. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 1 hour ago, rensoup said: I don't know what Yoda's been up to but he's got green goo in his hair. Rasta Juice is a tool to convert images to G2F without much time consumption. On the other hand it points 100% to the limits of raster programming in mode e. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 Threads like this one also point to some "not so unrelevant" part of the graphics department. The color mixing, pixrl dither, or even transition painting, needs to be different on the Atari. It is possible to adopt images from the C64 palette to the Atari palette, but the pixels on the C64 were more to create spare part colors. Removing the "spare part color pixels" solves some color usage problem, as the Atari could bring the more correct color. Only when pixels were used to show details, they need to be adopted 1:1 . Not so easy to find a software based filter for that, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rensoup Posted August 17, 2020 Author Share Posted August 17, 2020 16 hours ago, emkay said: Threads like this one also point to some "not so unrelevant" part of the graphics department. The color mixing, pixrl dither, or even transition painting, needs to be different on the Atari. It is possible to adopt images from the C64 palette to the Atari palette, but the pixels on the C64 were more to create spare part colors. Removing the "spare part color pixels" solves some color usage problem, as the Atari could bring the more correct color. Only when pixels were used to show details, they need to be adopted 1:1 . Not so easy to find a software based filter for that, I guess. sure dithering creates extra colors on the C64 but it also gives extra details and fuziness so removing it isn't always the solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rensoup Posted August 17, 2020 Author Share Posted August 17, 2020 A bit more progress... @superrune's famous Bruce Lee pic, one of my favourites which made me get in touch with him for PoP This one is complicated and took a me a good few hours... it's mostly a success but the yellow bars are a problem ? Many glitches but at least Bruce is mostly good. bruce.obx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Philsan Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 On March 2019 I tried with Rastaconverter. Unfortunately the result wasn't perfect. Philsan_BruceLee_RoF.xex 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 I did a hand recoloring to have less errors in the picture... In the coloring of the lower hand, you see that Mode 4 is stronlgy recommended for that, to have clean images. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rensoup Posted August 18, 2020 Author Share Posted August 18, 2020 ...pretty popular picture it seems! 4 hours ago, Philsan said: On March 2019 I tried with Rastaconverter. Unfortunately the result wasn't perfect. yeah it just zapped 2 out of 5 body colors... pretty decent result nonetheless 4 hours ago, emkay said: I did a hand recoloring to have less errors in the picture... In the coloring of the lower hand, you see that Mode 4 is stronlgy recommended for that, to have clean images. nice... the changes are subtle... My purpose wasn't to get this specific picture on the A8 at any cost though but rather push that tool to see what I can get while staying as close as possible to the original. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 4 hours ago, rensoup said: nice... the changes are subtle... My purpose wasn't to get this specific picture on the A8 at any cost though but rather push that tool to see what I can get while staying as close as possible to the original. I know. But have a look from that point. Changing the colors , to have the picture looking better with the atari's pallette , made it better for Rastaconverter to adopt the image. Sounds weird, but the color pre-processing allowed to have a closer result to the original. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irgendwer Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 5 hours ago, rensoup said: ...pretty popular picture it seems! Yes, even when the original is used: https://atariage.com/forums/topic/200118-images-generated-by-rastaconverter/?do=findComment&comment=4009942 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rensoup Posted August 31, 2020 Author Share Posted August 31, 2020 On 8/18/2020 at 8:43 AM, Irgendwer said: Yes, even when the original is used: Gotta say I much prefer Superrune's version... Anyway, here's a bit of an update... still trying to do some color reduction without altering the quality too much. dkjr.obx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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