zaphro72 Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 http://www.actionfigureinsider.com/abstract-coleco-is-teaming-with-collectorvision-to-launch-a-new-console-that-supports-your-favorite-colecovision-games/ Interesting article 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+lawdawg710 Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 SMH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youki Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 (edited) WTF? OMG! ? Edited July 2, 2020 by youki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmack36 Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 There is no "teaming" up on this. Coleco bought some consoles from us to resell, but there is no licensing or anything like. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retroillucid Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, Bmack36 said: There is no "teaming" up on this. Coleco bought some consoles from us to resell, but there is no licensing or anything like. Exactly! There's no need for drama here, (did we already have enough of this?) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Black_Tiger Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 Well they're certainly milking it as their triumphant return. Still nice for the exposure it brings for Collectorvision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubledown Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 They're going to copy the Phoenix guts...and install them in the newest Rainbow Brite Table Top arcade units! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphro72 Posted July 2, 2020 Author Share Posted July 2, 2020 12 minutes ago, retroillucid said: Exactly! There's no need for drama here, (did we already have enough of this?) Thank you both for the clarity. Wasn't trying to cause drama but the article is worded very differently then what appears to be reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serguei2 Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 If this colecovision hits the shelves and comes with an sd card, I might be interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jblenkle Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 If there is no "deal" the guy who wrote that article needs to write a retraction...either that or he is on "Coleco's" payroll. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikrananka Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, jblenkle said: If there is no "deal" the guy who wrote that article needs to write a retraction...either that or he is on "Coleco's" payroll. That was exactly my thought. Just a suggestion, but perhaps someone from CollectorVision should contact the author and provide him with clarification and request he update the article accordingly. It clearly has been written based on the usual Cardillo lies and has the potential to sully CollectorVision's reputation. For example, who provides the warranty for these resold units should anything go wrong? Edited July 2, 2020 by Ikrananka 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stupus Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 So the ones from coleco will be branded coleco but not the ones we preordered from collectorvision? You guys just sold them some preorders of this "last batch" and they are doing their own thing with them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmack36 Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 28 minutes ago, stupus said: You guys just sold them some preorders of this "last batch" and they are doing their own thing with them? Pretty much this? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loafer Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 (edited) Any sales is a good thing. If successful, can lead to another Phoenix run in the future and that benefits everyone. In saying that, a recommendation? payment before shipping! LOL Edited July 2, 2020 by Loafer 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick3092 Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 (edited) Eh. Even if it isn't a "partnership" it's still giving Cardillo more undue credit to the Coleco brand. I get you guys want more sales. But this is a terrible way to do it. I was the one who stirred up the crap storm the last time. I'm not going to again. But I feel like this is a slap to the real Coleco community. Edited July 2, 2020 by nick3092 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mingus Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 I don't know - I think it's fine. It's not like they took the source code from github and created their own units to compete. He may not be liked, but he paid for his Phoenixes just like everyone else. If he wants to resell them with new stickers on them, that's up to him. The money still comes back to CollectorVision for now. Along with the ColecoVision IP, does he own the rights to any games? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIAD Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 What an "F"-in joke! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chart45 Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 JF jai ecouter back.to the future a la tele je crois que je suis rester pris dans le temps sgm clone et coleco branding? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imstarryeyed Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 I hope they sell all of them and order more from Collectorvision, I would be very happy with new Phoenix systems out there for people to discover. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eebuckeye Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Even though it is Coleco, it is good for Collectorvision and the more Pheonix out there the better for everyone. It is a little sad though that Coleco is not working with Atgames too.. I guess being an IP whore is starting to pay off for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_me Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 2 hours ago, mingus said: I don't know - I think it's fine. It's not like they took the source code from github and created their own units to compete. He may not be liked, but he paid for his Phoenixes just like everyone else. If he wants to resell them with new stickers on them, that's up to him. The money still comes back to CollectorVision for now. Along with the ColecoVision IP, does he own the rights to any games? No, I haven't seen any evidence that he own any rights to games, except maybe the rainbow brite game. He would need Collectorvision's permission to rebrand the phoenix with coleco or colecovision. That would give him a product to legitimise his coleco trademark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. John ColecoVision Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 The more systems out there the better for all. Sounds like a win win, I hope it goes smoothly for Collectorvision. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+phoenixdownita Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 On 7/2/2020 at 1:13 PM, stupus said: So the ones from coleco will be branded coleco but not the ones we preordered from collectorvision? You guys just sold them some preorders of this "last batch" and they are doing their own thing with them? On 7/2/2020 at 1:43 PM, Bmack36 said: Pretty much this? But the article says: "Coleco and CollectorVision have come to a mutual agreement involving the Phoenix console. The Coleco branded console will carry the official ColecoVision branding, a brand that went toe to toe with Atari in the early 1980s. The ColecoVision console will be unique in its support for original ColecoVision cartridges, as well as newer compatible releases." Afaik you can't buy someone else's product on the market and slap your name on it and then sell it branded as yours without an agreement in place or something in writing to avoid getting sued. Even more this has a sublicensed part in the SGM and I don't think you can just leverage that even with an agreement on the first (like for videogames, the music copyrights may be separate and owned by a different entity ... Bomb The Bass in Xenon II missing in the recent sanctioned Jaguar port comes to mind, but it is possible that CollectorVision has the right to transfer SGM license as part of the Phoenix, I don't know .... Opcode's SGM used to have the Coleco branding so maybe it's kosher either way), and then there is the 2600 core which I don't know if it's an open-source re-release or what (but it is NOT mentioned in the article so I assume it is either not officially supported or some separate agreement is in place for that). Not seeking for drama but the article may be pushing it one way stating such a set of agreements exist as a partnership etc... vs here saying no such thing is in place and potentially they are fine having anyone just willy-nilly buy the Phoenix and rebrand it as their own without any further need of any agreement. Sure CollectorVision can just silently let it happen and enjoy the extra sales, but at least a piece of signed documentation should exist, even if it states it involves 0 transfer of money and 0 cross-liability. Pretty sure if RWB wouldn't rebrand it it would not be the same circumstance as it would just be more of a reseller at that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil7833 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Keep an eye out on Ebay for " new " Colecovision consoles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMarcoux66 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 If this brings more money and development budget for CollectionVision that would be great. However, it looks like all that has happened is that Coleco Cardillo bought a few systems to rebrand. Would be interesting to see which controller he bundles with it. To me the Phoenix is a worthy successor to the original CV. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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