+Trebor Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 2 hours ago, 7800 said: I don't understand the need or want for a passthrough to play carts... when this thing eliminates the need for carts. The roms on an SD cart play exactly the same as an original eprom cart. Another thing to know is playing games from and SD cart is not emulation (as far as i know), and anything is better than emulation in most cases, although I will say emulating the 2600 on Stella is WAY better than original hardware. Just my two cents. Imagine the notion of console game developers wanting to have their game on actual physical standalone cartridges. They may even want to see a box and manual published for their game too. A whole store could be built around this premise. 3 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zonie Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 3 hours ago, 7800 said: I don't understand the need or want for a passthrough to play carts... when this thing eliminates the need for carts. The roms on an SD cart play exactly the same as an original eprom cart. Another thing to know is playing games from and SD cart is not emulation (as far as i know), and anything is better than emulation in most cases, although I will say emulating the 2600 on Stella is WAY better than original hardware. Just my two cents. So lets assume you are a home brewer. You design a shit hot game that took you 1,000's of hours coding, testing, tweaking, rinse, repeat. You then release it on cart and the ROM. You sell 20 or so carts and that's it for the die-hards here who want the physical cart (and manual and box). Another 150-200 people download it for free, or a fee, but then share it with their friends here. You spent tons of effort for what, $1K gross, less what it cost for materials, and Albert's cut. 1 hour ago, Trebor said: Imagine the notion of console game developers wanting to have their game on actual physical standalone cartridges. They may even want to see a box and manual published for their game too. A whole store could be built around this premise. ^^^ This ^^^ Without passthrough, Dragonfly is not useful for this. Here's an idea... Merge the Dragonfly with the XM hardware... In other words, put the DF in the XM case, and add cart capability too. Dragonfly2. I'm sure I'm not the first to think about this... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 People talk like the XM is done and ready to go. It's not. It took 10 years to get to that point. It's not like duct taping two cereal boxes together and saying "Wow, now I have product A with all of product B's features". There is not going to be a magical merging of anything with XM - not even the original console it was meant to plug into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Here's a great idea. I have a car, and I have a bird. My car is stuck in traffic, but my bird can fly. Let's just merge the features of my bird with the car. Problem solved, just that easy. Now I have a flying car. Woo-hoo - here come the profits and dollars. My god - some of the "great ideas" on this forum just kill me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7800 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 12 hours ago, Zonie said: So lets assume you are a home brewer. You design a shit hot game that took you 1,000's of hours coding, testing, tweaking, rinse, repeat. You then release it on cart and the ROM. You sell 20 or so carts and that's it for the die-hards here who want the physical cart (and manual and box). Another 150-200 people download it for free, or a fee, but then share it with their friends here. You spent tons of effort for what, $1K gross, less what it cost for materials, and Albert's cut. ^^^ This ^^^ Without passthrough, Dragonfly is not useful for this. Here's an idea... Merge the Dragonfly with the XM hardware... In other words, put the DF in the XM case, and add cart capability too. Dragonfly2. I'm sure I'm not the first to think about this... Maybe I'm missing something here... maybe I just need my coffee... Is the argument, there should be a passthrough for convenience, instead of having to unplug and remove the Dragonfly in order to play regular games??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 1 hour ago, 7800 said: Maybe I'm missing something here... maybe I just need my coffee... Is the argument, there should be a passthrough for convenience, instead of having to unplug and remove the Dragonfly in order to play regular games??? Name another multi-cart that allows for passthrough. What am I missing? Isn't the point of a multi-cart to be able to play all games on a system without removing the cart everytime you want to switch to another game? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DrVenkman Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Guys, this is a good discussion but probably doesn’t need to be in the thread setup for preorders. Maybe in the general Dragonfly announcement thread or create a new one about proposed pass-through devices. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7800 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 14 minutes ago, Stephen said: Name another multi-cart that allows for passthrough. What am I missing? Isn't the point of a multi-cart to be able to play all games on a system without removing the cart everytime you want to switch to another game? That's what I thought. I'm just trying to understand the argument that others are making in regards to homebrew carts. It sounds more like they are taking issue with any possible infringement on the sales of traditional carts vs. free roms... and that a passthrough would "accommodate" for those who choose to play those homebrews on cart. IDK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7800 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 For those who have already received their Dragonfly... would you be interested in posting some pics of your setup?? I think it would be interesting to see what all your 7800s look like with the Dragonfly, whether it's red or purple... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zonie Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Stephen, Yes, it is the point of a multi cart. Load games, play what you want. The point I tried to make is if someone wants passthru capability to play things that they cannot get on a rom, and get the features, that is a different project. Regarding Merging it with the XM, I really only meant the case and the ability to play hardware, as the case exists, and I'm sure that Curt's family would want it out of their basement and could use some revenue, so they could get used for something else, like this, so your bird/car analogy was pointless. Yes, let's move this to general Dragonfly announcement thread or elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fultonbot Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Anyone with a tracking # see their cart reach the USA yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+sramirez2008 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 4 hours ago, fultonbot said: Anyone with a tracking # see their cart reach the USA yet? Not yet. But then again, things normally slowdown during this time of year and that’s without COVID. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d.eric.gould Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 Please add me to the list for a Burgundy cart with Pokeymax and Yamaha. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 12 hours ago, Zonie said: Stephen, Yes, it is the point of a multi cart. Load games, play what you want. The point I tried to make is if someone wants passthru capability to play things that they cannot get on a rom, and get the features, that is a different project. Regarding Merging it with the XM, I really only meant the case and the ability to play hardware, as the case exists, and I'm sure that Curt's family would want it out of their basement and could use some revenue, so they could get used for something else, like this, so your bird/car analogy was pointless. Yes, let's move this to general Dragonfly announcement thread or elsewhere. THE DRAGONFLY IS A COMPLETED AND RELEASED PRODUCT. The XM IS LESS THAN 10 INCOMPLETE PROTOTYPE UNITS ABOVE VAPORWARE. They have nothing to do with each other and there is no merger of anything to be done at all at any point. FULL STOP. If you bought an XM at any time up to 10 years ago you still have nothing to show for your money. If you bought a Dragonfly as recent as 1 month ago you already have it in your hands and are playing along with your 7800 sporting a smile from ear to ear. There is no further discussion to be had. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swami Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 I don't think they should repurpose the xm cases other people paid for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zonie Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 13 hours ago, Swami said: I don't think they should repurpose the xm cases other people paid for. Well, I paid for one, And I'd rather see it go into something than nothing... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Muddyfunster Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 On 12/23/2020 at 3:26 PM, 7800 said: For those who have already received their Dragonfly... would you be interested in posting some pics of your setup?? I think it would be interesting to see what all your 7800s look like with the Dragonfly, whether it's red or purple... 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradsco Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Please add me to the list for a full set (Pokey&YM) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyandeyanen Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Please add me to the list, a purple cart if possible with both the Pokey and Yamaha chips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jungsi Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 I would also like to pre-order a device. - Colour: burgundy - incl. Pokey Max and YM2151 module Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rj1307 Posted December 30, 2020 Author Share Posted December 30, 2020 The PCBs have finally arrived and I can start assembly, just after the New Year, a dozen more people from the list will get a private message 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+sramirez2008 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Mine just arrived. It will be put to good use later today. ? <Edit> This is an excellent piece of tech! I tried DK XM (Demo), Millie & Molly, Popeye, Danger Zone and quite a few of the Originals and everything works and sounds beautifully. Hats off and thank you @rj1307 -This must be what "Willis" was talking 'bout. Btw, the cart itself looks amazing. Pics will not do this justice. Can't wait for all of you to receive your carts. 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jefffulton Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 @rj1307 If it's still possible I'd like to be added to the next pre-order list for the full, everything rocks, kick ass version of the cart: Dragonfly basic version (without Pokey and YM2151), the set includes a memory card and a cartridge-console cable - 350PLN / $95 - As an additional option, Pokey Max - 160PLN / $43 - As an additional option YM2151 module - 100PLN / $27 - As an additional option, a cable with a 5.5/2.1mm plug (for people who converted the console power supply to a socket in this standard) - 20 PLN / $5 -Shipping 25PLN / $6.5 _______ $176.00 plus whatever extra it costs to ship to California, USA This looks Magnificent and no, it doesn't need a passthru... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+chicgamer Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 On 12/31/2020 at 1:30 PM, sramirez2008 said: Mine just arrived. It will be put to good use later today. ? <Edit> This is an excellent piece of tech! I tried DK XM (Demo), Millie & Molly, Popeye, Danger Zone and quite a few of the Originals and everything works and sounds beautifully. Hats off and thank you @rj1307 -This must be what "Willis" was talking 'bout. Btw, the cart itself looks amazing. Pics will not do this justice. Can't wait for all of you to receive your carts. Mine just arrived today. Nice way to start off the new year! What power adapter are you using with yours? I think the plug on the power adapter I had set aside for this has too big of an internal diameter to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+sramirez2008 Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 1 hour ago, chicgamer said: What power adapter are you using with yours? I think the plug on the power adapter I had set aside for this has too big of an internal diameter to work I have these (from Amazon) and both work. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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