+x=usr(1536) Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, nadir said: FujiNet 1.5 and aha... I didn't realize there was a webpage on board the device. It's set to B Button Press. I had printed out the guide (which must be out of date?), but it lists Button B as just being for print debug info, safe reset, and reset config! If I try Button B, I actually do get the orange light now. Solid for a bit, then starts cycling on/off slowly. Eventually it quits doing that and I end up frozen on the blue screen with a cursor, but at least it looks like it's trying to do something at the beginning now... Quick sanity check: is your FujiNet's firmware current? If not, I would recommend updating. As regards the B Button / Pulldown Resistor option, set it to Pulldown Resistor and retry loading the image. Use the Return key or space bar to start loading. The fact that you're getting some flashing of the orange light suggests that the FujiNet is receiving tape data. However, you may want to check what I said earlier re: loading .cas files over the Internet. 6 minutes ago, nadir said: I see there is an HSIO index thing in that web config too. Do I need to try experimenting with that as well? It's showing "6: 67Kb" currently. For now, leave that set where it is 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 why wouldn't it just use the motor control line to auto start and auto stop the tape data stream? pressing a button or using a resistor does what exactly... if you load a .cas file it should know that already and engage the play button and not act like the motor is moving (ie not actually start or act as if soft paused) until motor control says so... maybe use the button/resistor for record button/recording data.... i dunno, something just seems odd... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzwald Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 7 hours ago, _The Doctor__ said: why wouldn't it just use the motor control line to auto start and auto stop the tape data stream? pressing a button or using a resistor does what exactly... if you load a .cas file it should know that already and engage the play button and not act like the motor is moving (ie not actually start or act as if soft paused) until motor control says so... maybe use the button/resistor for record button/recording data.... i dunno, something just seems odd... The first batch of FujiNet hardware shipped before CAS support was added and lack the required pulldown resistor on the MOTOR line for automatic playback. The B button option is for that first batch of hardware so they can start the tape playback by pressing B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manterola Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) To complement that, if you have the pulldown resistor installed, FujiNet works exactly as you described it: it senses the Mtrctrl line, once it is activated it goes on 'playing' the. CAS file. And stops when mtrctrl line is disabled. Edited July 13, 2021 by manterola Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DrVenkman Posted July 13, 2021 Author Share Posted July 13, 2021 On 7/12/2021 at 6:33 AM, mozzwald said: The first batch of FujiNet hardware shipped before CAS support was added and lack the required pulldown resistor on the MOTOR line for automatic playback. The B button option is for that first batch of hardware so they can start the tape playback by pressing B. Indeed. My two standalone units came straight from Mozzwald - prototype/development versions based on 1.1 and 1.2 hardware, and both require B button presses to start .CAS playback. My third unit is a prototype 576NUC+ daughterboard built by Mytek for those of us who assisted him in the beta phase. That one is based on the version 1.5 hardware standard and doesn't require a B button press to load .CAS files. Having said that, I know there are quite a few units out there from the initial 1.0 release so it's always a good idea to get clarity on the hardware specifics and how the FujiNet itself is configured. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nadir Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 On 7/11/2021 at 7:35 PM, x=usr(1536) said: Quick sanity check: is your FujiNet's firmware current? If not, I would recommend updating. As regards the B Button / Pulldown Resistor option, set it to Pulldown Resistor and retry loading the image. Use the Return key or space bar to start loading. Finally had a chance to check earlier this week and I'm firmware current. I'll give the pulldown mode a try along with a local copy. Thanks! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Robot Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Is there any progress in getting the cassette emulation to support wav files and sending the separate audio track, if there is one, back into the atari on sio pin 11? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 30 minutes ago, Mr Robot said: Is there any progress in getting the cassette emulation to support wav files and sending the separate audio track, if there is one, back into the atari on sio pin 11? Hasn't been attempted yet. Am hoping somebody will try it. -Thom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mutterminder Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Does this work with hardware version 1.0? I have updated to the latest firmware, but cassettes don't seem to load. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzwald Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 27 minutes ago, mutterminder said: Does this work with hardware version 1.0? I have updated to the latest firmware, but cassettes don't seem to load. CAS loading works on all hardware versions. v1.0 required an extra resistor for automatic playback (via MOTOR line) which should be on most units sold (afaik, only my first batch of 50 lack the resistor). Without the resistor you need to set B button to enable playback (in web ui) and the FujiNet B button starts cassette playback: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DrVenkman Posted November 4, 2021 Author Share Posted November 4, 2021 So I saw something on FB today in one of the Atari groups about a cartridge version of Zaxxon. @tschak909 jokingly (?) referenced the 16K cassette version. I actually had that version as a kid - one of the first games my step-brother and I bought for our 400+410 Program Recorder. That, in turn, reminded me that I haven't been able to get this .CAS file to load through my FujiNet. So I decided to try it tonight, but despite any combination of settings I could think to try with my Incognito 800, up to and including booting in 48K "Colleen" mode with OS B, I could not get the file to boot successfully. By contrast, when I pulled out my SDrive-MAX, which I have not used regularly in over a year since I got my first FujiNet, the same .CAS file loaded up just fine from the very same microSD card no less. So before I go asking Thom and @mozzwald to go chasing down a coding rabbit hole, can anyone get this .CAS file to boot from their FujiNet? If so, on what hardware? Thanks! Zaxxon (1983, Datasoft, Inc.).cas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzwald Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 21 minutes ago, DrVenkman said: can anyone get this .CAS file to boot from their FujiNet? If so, on what hardware? I just tried on my 800XL and it appears the FujiNet sees MOTOR line deasserted causing it to start over. Not really sure what's happening <snippet> 19:18:16.393 > Offset: 2816 19:18:16.397 > Baud: 598 Length: 132 Gap: 238 19:18:16.633 > Block 18 19:18:16.633 > Sending 132 bytes 19:18:16.633 > 55 55 fe 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 a9 19:18:19.020 > Offset: 2956 19:18:19.020 > Baud: 598 Length: 132 Gap: 24528 MOTOR OFF: de-activating cassette 19:18:19.748 > set_baudrate change from 600 to 19200 19:18:19.750 > Cassette Mode disabled 19:18:30.114 > MOTOR ON: activating cassette 19:18:30.114 > set_baudrate change from 19200 to 600 19:18:30.114 > Cassette Mode enabled 19:18:30.114 > Offset: 2956 19:18:30.114 > Baud: 598 Length: 132 Gap: 24528 19:18:54.642 > Block 2 19:18:54.645 > Sending 132 bytes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 iiiiiiinteresting. Looking into it to see if it's something obvious. -Thom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DrVenkman Posted November 4, 2021 Author Share Posted November 4, 2021 I will say this is game is a multi-stage load. If you boot it in Altirra or on real hardware with an SDrive-MAX, you can see/hear what it does as it boots in a couple different segments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manterola Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 (edited) I just loaded a multistage. CAS without problem. I also checked with the multitester whether the MTRCTL pin goes down while going from one stage to another, and it does, but that event does NOT make FujiNet device to fully "rewind" the virtual tape. You can try this CAS yourself in pobox.us.to under Cassette-Variety-Collection/montezuma cassette viejo.cas It uses the exclamation mark xex loader. Now I'll try the Zaxxon one you uploaded. Edit: Zaxxon worked, it passes 3 stages and a long pause close to the end. Edited November 4, 2021 by manterola Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DrVenkman Posted November 4, 2021 Author Share Posted November 4, 2021 12 minutes ago, manterola said: I just loaded a multistage. CAS without problem. I also checked with the multitester whether the MTRCTL pin goes down while going from one stage to another, and it does, but that event does NOT make FujiNet device to fully "rewind" the virtual tape. You can try this CAS yourself in pobox.us.to under Cassette-Variety-Collection/montezuma cassette viejo.cas It uses the exclamation mark xex loader. Now I'll try the Zaxxon one you uploaded. I wonder if this is an issue with the various FujiNet hardware devices out? Both of my FujiNets are early versions 1.1 and a prototype 1.2, both built by @mozzwald last summer/early fall. They require a B button push to trigger the MTR line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manterola Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 I guess that explain the problem. Mine is a version 1.0 but I added the resistor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzwald Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 31 minutes ago, DrVenkman said: They require a B button push to trigger the MTR line 17 minutes ago, manterola said: I guess that explain the problem. Mine is a version 1.0 but I added the resistor. You can fix the button press requirement by adding the resistor and I'm pretty sure @DrVenkman can solder. Probably easier to do it on the front side of the PCB as shown here. I did get the game to load completely but it flaked out on me and had corrupted graphics 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havok69 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 On 8/30/2021 at 12:07 PM, Mr Robot said: Is there any progress in getting the cassette emulation to support wav files and sending the separate audio track, if there is one, back into the atari on sio pin 11? Has this been implemented yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzwald Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 On 8/27/2022 at 11:04 PM, Havok69 said: Has this been implemented yet? no work has been done on that front Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari8guy Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 If the audio in is available via Fujinet, does that open the possibility of: 1) using .flac files from https://atariwiki.org/wiki/Wiki.jsp?page=Dorsett Educational System Lesson Cassettes 2) .mp3 player (probably the quality would be poor) 3) podcaster for the A8 (probably poor quality again, but matters less if you're listening to speaking voices than music?) Just curious... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzwald Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Atari8guy said: If the audio in is available via Fujinet, does that open the possibility of: 1) using .flac files from https://atariwiki.org/wiki/Wiki.jsp?page=Dorsett Educational System Lesson Cassettes 2) .mp3 player (probably the quality would be poor) 3) podcaster for the A8 (probably poor quality again, but matters less if you're listening to speaking voices than music?) Just curious... In theory, we should be able to stream audio out to the Atari. We are already doing that with SAM. There are examples out there of how to do it with esp32. I barely tried to get a streaming audio test working long ago before I gave up cuz it's over my paygrade in terms of programming. It's not really a top priority for the project so will likely need an outside player willing to invest the time. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havok69 Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 I hear the ladies like a guy who could get .flac or .wav files to work for dual channel audio stuff. Just sayin' 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beqelessen Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 (edited) Hi - I'm attempting to understand FujiNet's "save to cassette" feature. It seems I can successfully put the FujiNet into "Rec" mode and in BASIC, CSAVE a program. Is a file representing the tokenised BASIC program being persisted anywhere? I went browsing on the SD card in the FujiNet via the web UI, but couldn't find anything. ...or have I got the wrong end of the stick? Edited September 30, 2023 by beqelessen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 do you have a .CAS file in slot 8 to save to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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