+fdr4prez Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 33 minutes ago, stephena said: Open Windows Explorer. Go to %APPDATA%/Stella and delete (or rename) the stella.sqlite3 file. This is where all settings are stored. If you remove it, Stella starts up in a completely fresh state. Then tell us if anything has changed. I just tried this and it had a negative result... Now port 1 doesn't work at all, and the 2 port acts as Left Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+fdr4prez Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 (edited) 4th double post - I give up Edited January 10, 2021 by fdr4prez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+stephena Posted January 10, 2021 Author Share Posted January 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, fdr4prez said: I just tried this and it had a negative result... Now port 1 doesn't work at all, and the 2 port acts as Left Well, something changed, so we're on the right track. It actually has nothing to do with the paddle emulation, etc. Those are now working, as you said in a previous message. Now the problem is (mis)detection of the device. Do you actually have two of these 'Jakadaptors' plugged in, or is it only one device that presents two ports to Windows? If it's the latter, then it's entirely possible that this is a case we've never seen before, and hence why there are issues. So we are back to the same conclusion; we need to somehow obtain this controller, and test on our end. Very strange ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+stephena Posted January 10, 2021 Author Share Posted January 10, 2021 Right, I should have read your initial posting in the 6.4 release thread. This is indeed a single USB device that has two ports, not two separate USB controllers. No Stelladaptor has ever worked that way, so it's no surprise that there are issues. I guess the way we detect controllers is to assume one USB device is one controller. And the Jakadaptor 'breaks' the logic in Stella because of that. I feel it's probably pretty easy to fix, if we can get one. Perhaps we can have one built, or build one ourselves?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+fdr4prez Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 9 minutes ago, stephena said: So we are back to the same conclusion; we need to somehow obtain this controller, and test on our end. Very strange ... 3 minutes ago, stephena said: Right, I should have read your initial posting in the 6.4 release thread. This is indeed a single USB device that has two ports, not two separate USB controllers. No Stelladaptor has ever worked that way, so it's no surprise that there are issues. Do you have two Stelladaptors connected for testing at the same time? I only have one 2600-daptor II, so I can't test what happens if two of those are connected at the same time. 3 minutes ago, stephena said: I guess the way we detect controllers is to assume one USB device is one controller. More pictures: It is odd that Windows Devices shows one, but the settings shows it as two: I think they are reported to Windows as two separate devices: 3 minutes ago, stephena said: I feel it's probably pretty easy to fix, if we can get one. Perhaps we can have one built, or build one ourselves?? OK, I do not have the standard boards that are shown on the Jakadapter site because I made a special one for me. I can make something for you, but it will be hand wired on a breadboard. On the Jakadapter site there is a link to purchase some boards from PCBWay to build your own, but the trouble with building one yourself is you need to be able to program the PIC with firmware, so a special programmer is need (assuming you don't have one) I found this in the Market here from a over a year ago: I do not know if Shift838 ever tested it. They are also listed in his store, so I'd imagine that they are still available. Again - strange that both ports are working correctly in the older v5.0.2 - but let's not dwell in the past Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+stephena Posted January 10, 2021 Author Share Posted January 10, 2021 I do have 2 Stelladaptor/2600-daptors. I have 5, in fact And I have two of the same kind (2600-daptor D9) specifically to test such cases. And I've also tested combinations; they all work. But then again, they are all "one USB device per controller". As for building the device, if I had all the parts, I'm able to do soldering, etc. I don't have a PIC programmer, though. But maybe someone else on the Stella team does. WRT it working in 5.0.2, it may have been a fluke. Honestly, so much has changed since then, I wouldn't know where to start to figure out the differences. It might also be related to the version of SDL that Stella uses. If you feel like more testing, maybe try copying SDL2.dll from the 5.0.2 release into the 6.5 folder, and see if it makes a difference. It may not even work, or it may not make any difference. EDIT: Whatever you do, though, make sure to delete the settings file I mentioned above, so you're always starting from a fresh install. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+fdr4prez Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 2 hours ago, stephena said: Open Windows Explorer. Go to %APPDATA%/Stella and delete (or rename) the stella.sqlite3 file. This is where all settings are stored. If you remove it, Stella starts up in a completely fresh state. Then tell us if anything has changed. 1 hour ago, fdr4prez said: I just tried this and it had a negative result... Now port 1 doesn't work at all, and the 2 port acts as Left Ok, after going back into the options and clicking on the Default button again for each screen in there, I do see some things change and now Port 1 works again as Left port and Port 2 still works as Left 19 minutes ago, stephena said: It might also be related to the version of SDL that Stella uses. If you feel like more testing, maybe try copying SDL2.dll from the 5.0.2 release into the 6.5 folder, and see if it makes a difference. It may not even work, or it may not make any difference. I just tried that, but there was no difference in behavior. 19 minutes ago, stephena said: EDIT: Whatever you do, though, make sure to delete the settings file I mentioned above, so you're always starting from a fresh install. Whenever I delete the settings file and restart Stella, then i have no input at all. I need to go into the options and click the Default button on the various screens (and I can see some things change on some pages when I click default). Afterwards I relaunch and then the ports both work as Left again So it seems that deleting the sql settings file and restarting does not get the same settings as when you go to the options and click Defaults. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+stephena Posted January 10, 2021 Author Share Posted January 10, 2021 27 minutes ago, fdr4prez said: Whenever I delete the settings file and restart Stella, then i have no input at all. I need to go into the options and click the Default button on the various screens (and I can see some things change on some pages when I click default). Afterwards I relaunch and then the ports both work as Left again So it seems that deleting the sql settings file and restarting does not get the same settings as when you go to the options and click Defaults. I still think that's related to the weirdness of the 'two controllers in one' thing. I think when one problem is fixed, it will automatically solve the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+stephena Posted January 10, 2021 Author Share Posted January 10, 2021 We're going to try to get some of these adaptors built for the Stella team. No idea when it will be done, but once we have one, I'm confident this problem can be fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 12 hours ago, fdr4prez said: Whenever I delete the settings file and restart Stella, then i have no input at all. That can only happen if you still have an ini file. This will be imported when the sqlite file is created. And when the old settings are corrupt, then the import will fail. Please make sure there is no ini file and redo the test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firebottle Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 What version did the NTSC & PAL aspect % control get removed (or put someplace else)? It used to be in the Video prefs section. I use that for an older TV that has overscan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+stephena Posted January 10, 2021 Author Share Posted January 10, 2021 21 minutes ago, Thomas Jentzsch said: That can only happen if you still have an ini file. This will be imported when the sqlite file is created. And when the old settings are corrupt, then the import will fail. Please make sure there is no ini file and redo the test. Yeah, forgot about that one; good point. You need to remove both the .sqlite3 and the .ini file to start from a completely fresh state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+stephena Posted January 10, 2021 Author Share Posted January 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, firebottle said: What version did the NTSC & PAL aspect % control get removed (or put someplace else)? It used to be in the Video prefs section. I use that for an older TV that has overscan. There is no longer such an option, as NTSC and PAL screens are now sized the same. In the latter case, however, the scanlines are thinner, just like on a real TV. If overscan is an issue on older TV's, there is actually now a setting specifically for that. It's in Options -> Video & Audio -> Display. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 1 minute ago, stephena said: If overscan is an issue on older TV's, there is actually now a setting specifically for that. It's in Options -> Video & Audio -> Display. And you can use the V-Size setting too. Both options also have hotkeys (see documentation), so you do not have to go back and forth with the dialogs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+stephena Posted January 10, 2021 Author Share Posted January 10, 2021 First post has been updated with info on a few new builds; one for Ubuntu 18.04 and another for RPi OS 3/4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Bug: If the caps-lock key is engaged, you cannot type "M" to jump to Miniature Golf. Or like "V" for Video Pinball.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+stephena Posted January 10, 2021 Author Share Posted January 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, Keatah said: Bug: If the caps-lock key is engaged, you cannot type "M" to jump to Miniature Golf. Or like "V" for Video Pinball.. Not actually a bug. The ROM listing is not case-sensitive, so typing lowercase "m" will jump to Miniature Golf. Using uppercase is for jumping to directories that begin with "m" instead. This feature was added some time ago, as a way of quickly jumping to a directory. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 How can I stop the screen from dimming when hitting the TAB key, makes it harder to match colors across different displays. Is the "stella.pro" file still needed? The documentation says it is, but it also says all settings are stored in the sqlite file. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 8 hours ago, Keatah said: How can I stop the screen from dimming when hitting the TAB key, makes it harder to match colors across different displays. The screen is dimming when dialogs are opened or in Pause mode. If you want a non-dimmed emulation screen, open the Time Machine. 8 hours ago, Keatah said: Is the "stella.pro" file still needed? The documentation says it is, but it also says all settings are stored in the sqlite file. No, not used anymore. I missed updating that part. Sorry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 10 hours ago, Thomas Jentzsch said: The screen is dimming when dialogs are opened or in Pause mode. If you want a non-dimmed emulation screen, open the Time Machine. That partly works. I was hoping to be able to adjust the color palette while paused. And take real photos. MAME has a "paused brightness" option. By default, MAME dims the screen to half-brightness. But there is an option to change it to any value, like 0% dimming. Can something like that be done here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 No option yet, but we can add something for the next release. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ZeroPage Homebrew Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 On 1/10/2021 at 9:40 AM, stephena said: Not actually a bug. The ROM listing is not case-sensitive, so typing lowercase "m" will jump to Miniature Golf. Using uppercase is for jumping to directories that begin with "m" instead. This feature was added some time ago, as a way of quickly jumping to a directory. Whoah! Thank you so much for adding this whenever you did. I never knew it had this option as I have everything in folders within folders. ? - James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 8 hours ago, ZeroPage Homebrew said: Whoah! Thank you so much for adding this whenever you did. I never knew it had this option as I have everything in folders within folders. ? Even I didn't know. Or forgot. Time to update the documentation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 11 hours ago, Thomas Jentzsch said: No option yet, but we can add something for the next release. Done. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 6 hours ago, Thomas Jentzsch said: Time to update the documentation. Ha! It was already documented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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