agradeneu Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 On 5/3/2022 at 10:36 AM, Jag64 said: I did not know this. See, I would have thought the SDK(s) would have been better if software was considered more during development. In fact, I swear I read several times where Jack Tramiel had not even thought about software with the Jaguar early on, creating one of the biggest problems for the console. I agree with your point; why try to make a Ford rearend work with a Chevy transmission on a Dodge engine? It serves little purpose than for someone to say, "I did it." And humans love doing things they're told they can't. Is it a waste of time? To me, but I can't define how others enjoy spending their time. And anyway, back to the point - while Nintendo software was designed parallel with hardware (making your statement about SM64 and the N64 true), Atari's software, or lack there of, is well-documented. tl;dr Was the Jaguar really made to run anything in particular? Because it feels like every single title, to this day, has been shoehorned onto the thing, usually working around multiple design problems. I am sorry you feel this way. Seriously, a slightly more balanced view might help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jag64 Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, agradeneu said: I am sorry you feel this way. Seriously, a slightly more balanced view might help. Maybe I just missed the game that utilized all the "potential" I've read about for a quarter century. Now we've all read (and seen) for decades that the hardware was difficult to work on. Now unless one of the British designers is here on the site reading these comments, I see no reason to pull punches. And if one of them is on the site, they know their machine failed miserably, and they both went on to be successes elsewhere. i.e. Whose feelings do I need to be considering here when talking about how bad the Jaguar was? I love the Jaguar. It's the ultimate console for the contrarian. But FFS, at some point, either someone makes a game for the machine that looks better than a 16-bit hobbyist pile of sht, or we admit it can't be done. lol God bless, brother. *I'll mosey on out the programming area and back to the public zoo. ? Edited May 4, 2022 by Jag64 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agradeneu Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Jag64 said: Maybe I just missed the game that utilized all the "potential" I've read about for a quarter century. Now we've all read (and seen) for decades that the hardware was difficult to work on. Now unless one of the British designers is here on the site reading these comments, I see no reason to pull punches. And if one of them is on the site, they know their machine failed miserably, and they both went on to be successes elsewhere. i.e. Whose feelings do I need to be considering here when talking about how bad the Jaguar was? I love the Jaguar. It's the ultimate console for the contrarian. But FFS, at some point, either someone makes a game for the machine that looks better than a 16-bit hobbyist pile of sht, or we admit it can't be done. lol God bless, brother. *I'll mosey on out the programming area and back to the public zoo. ? I think with Arne and you we have covered both sides of the spectrum. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshworrier Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 I'll just leave this here.... 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CyranoJ Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 4 hours ago, agradeneu said: I think with Arne and you we have covered both sides of the spectrum. Add in Jagchris and phillipj and there's your Dream Team developers right there. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipj Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 16 minutes ago, CyranoJ said: Add in Jagchris and phillipj and there's your Dream Team developers right there. Dude... Taking virtual potshots isn't helpful to the conversation especially when the remarks come out the clear blue sky... I have a few ideas, however comparing apples to oranges between the Jag and the N64 is not where I'd start on something like that. The Jag was meant to compete with the 16bit consoles and the 3DO console, which would be a better comparison in looking at how great 3D was pulled off on those system... Or even old graphical workstation that were prior to "Open GL" would to provide some means of working out some reasonable 3D graphics on the Jag... Then there are games on the Jag that does pull off decent graphics with texture mapping and shading despite low polygon content... Where there's a will there's a way thus is why I'll come up as many ideas as I like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CyranoJ Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 17 minutes ago, philipj said: Dude... Taking virtual potshots isn't helpful to the conversation especially when the remarks come out the clear blue sky... I have a few ideas, however comparing apples to oranges between the Jag and the N64 is not where I'd start on something like that. The Jag was meant to compete with the 16bit consoles and the 3DO console, which would be a better comparison in looking at how great 3D was pulled off on those system... Or even old graphical workstation that were prior to "Open GL" would to provide some means of working out some reasonable 3D graphics on the Jag... Then there are games on the Jag that does pull off decent graphics with texture mapping and shading despite low polygon content... Where there's a will there's a way thus is why I'll come up as many ideas as I like. People joining conversations in the "programming" section who can't/never will are not helpful. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j1mp4ck Posted May 17, 2022 Author Share Posted May 17, 2022 On 4/5/2022 at 14:28, Welshworrier said: Sólo dejaré esto aquí.... Quote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipj Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 (edited) Here's another possibility done on a much lesser hardware; 1984 "I-Robot by Atari"... Edited May 17, 2022 by philipj 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Biff Burgertime Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 4 hours ago, philipj said: Here's another possibility [...] and here... ...is a goat! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CyranoJ Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 7 minutes ago, Buffalo Biff Burgertime said: ..is a goat! Is that the G.O.A.T. goat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipj Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 I'm a "glass half full guy" not an animal horns... but if you prefer to obscure the topic be my guest... in the meantime, here's one my favorites I'm quite sure the Jaguar can pull off... Videos like these keeps me motivated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gemintronic Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 Not directed at anyone or a response to anything. But, it may be more helpful to look at released games as a yardstick for what is possible. In my opinion the rendering in Cybermorh, Club Drive and Iron Soldier is too laggy for a 3D platformer. You could make all in-game objects 2D with 3D terrain.. but, it's still going to be laggy. So, there's your answer: The end result is a sub standard port with Nuntendo lawyers clawing at your door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j1mp4ck Posted July 16, 2022 Author Share Posted July 16, 2022 (edited) Look very nice Atari ST Edited July 16, 2022 by j1mp4ck 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agradeneu Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 On 5/17/2022 at 5:09 PM, Gemintronic said: Not directed at anyone or a response to anything. But, it may be more helpful to look at released games as a yardstick for what is possible. In my opinion the rendering in Cybermorh, Club Drive and Iron Soldier is too laggy for a 3D platformer. You could make all in-game objects 2D with 3D terrain.. but, it's still going to be laggy. So, there's your answer: The end result is a sub standard port with Nuntendo lawyers clawing at your door. Super Mario 64 is actually a laggy game to start with, it is around 20 FPS which is not much better than Iron Soldier. Lumping Jaguar games together that perform very differently does not help your argument either, e.g. Cybermorphs rendering speed is much slower than Iron Soldiers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gummy Bear Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 (edited) I think it's definitely possible. Just like perfect Neo Geo ports. Edited July 17, 2022 by Gummy Bear 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youxia Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 You have some lovely games coming out on the Jag all the time. So why bother being perpetually hang up on the pie-in-the-sky stuff? 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cris1997XX Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 On 7/17/2022 at 3:50 PM, youxia said: You have some lovely games coming out on the Jag all the time. So why bother being perpetually hang up on the pie-in-the-sky stuff? All the time? Now that's a questionable quote... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alucardX Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 On 3/24/2022 at 6:07 PM, Atariboy said: The gaming press has widely reported that it's legal, so I'll stick with that. And the gaming press is never wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagChris Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 On 7/17/2022 at 6:23 AM, Gummy Bear said: I think it's definitely possible. Just like perfect Neo Geo ports. That shouldn't be a problem especially with the ram upgrade the GD gives the Jag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CyranoJ Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 2 hours ago, JagChris said: That shouldn't be a problem especially with the ram upgrade the GD gives the Jag. Off you go then Chris, get cracking with this, we're all still waiting for your particular fountain of knowledge to produce.... anything? 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorfLover Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 There's someone who SWORE that the Jag could do Super Mario 64 with absolutely no problem. He hasn't been here for a while. Is there anyone who can reach out? 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GorfLover Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 (edited) Really asking. Is there anyone w knows how to contact Gorf? Because I've tried, and I'm totes willing to admit I'm a moron if I'm missing some avenue of communication. Edited February 13 by GorfLover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 The looney bin maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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