rossum Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Wanted to share a WIP vanilla 4k game with a raycasting engine capable of ~25fps/8 colors. No extra RAM, DPC+, bus stuffing or other cheats, does not even bank switch. Could have been a launch title in 1977 on a 2732. Lots of work needed on the maps / pal colors but there is enough working to give you an idea. I still have 33 bytes left for features... lmk is there is interest in a production version or a writeup as to how it works. cheers btw: If you figure out how to play and get to the end you will likely be only the second human to do so...... runes_of_moria_pal.rom runes_of_moria.rom 22 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/321894-runes-of-moria-wip-3d-first-person-on-vanilla-4k/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 This is really cool. IMO you should not stop at 4K and add some more features. E.g. a map which is automatically generated while you explore the maze (could be displayed using a console switch) a permanent direction display Both would help to orientate better. Sometimes there is too much flicker IMO, probably that cannot be avoided. But maybe it can be a bit reduced by a different hue selection. I like how the maze darkens, but I have one suggestion. It would help if it would brighten again when you turn into the right direction to move back into the bright area. I found two magic walls where I can select a rune. But besides that I am currently lost. So some instructions would help for sure. 6 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/321894-runes-of-moria-wip-3d-first-person-on-vanilla-4k/#findComment-4844122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+rbairos Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Really incredible! Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/321894-runes-of-moria-wip-3d-first-person-on-vanilla-4k/#findComment-4844206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Karl G Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Very impressive! I agree with Thomas that it would be good to expand this beyond 4K to be able to add more features. Also JFYI, I would advise against using the term "cheats" to refer to cartridge enhancements. 4 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/321894-runes-of-moria-wip-3d-first-person-on-vanilla-4k/#findComment-4844228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremiahK Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Very cool! The fact that this fits in 4K is just amazing, but I agree with Thomas and Karl that you should pull out all the stops, allow yourself 16K or even 32K, and just go wild! As mentioned, some sort of HUD would be nice. Also, maybe moveable sprites / enemies / pickups (I didn't get very far, maybe these are already there!) Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/321894-runes-of-moria-wip-3d-first-person-on-vanilla-4k/#findComment-4844363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 2 hours ago, Karl G said: Also JFYI, I would advise against using the term "cheats" to refer to cartridge enhancements. I suppose rossum has spend some time in the demoscene. There all kinds of such enhancements are considered as cheats. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/321894-runes-of-moria-wip-3d-first-person-on-vanilla-4k/#findComment-4844364 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Al_Nafuur Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 ? very impressive! Found the two doors/gates too. But I can't find any hints for the runes to open it ? 11 hours ago, Thomas Jentzsch said: IMO you should not stop at 4K and add some more features. E.g. a map which is automatically generated while you explore the maze (could be displayed using a console switch) would be cool, but pen and paper was the expandable map we used BITD. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/321894-runes-of-moria-wip-3d-first-person-on-vanilla-4k/#findComment-4844438 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, Al_Nafuur said: would be cool, but pen and paper was the expandable map we used BITD. So true. Guess I am spoiled by modern games. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/321894-runes-of-moria-wip-3d-first-person-on-vanilla-4k/#findComment-4844439 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ZeroPage Homebrew Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, rossum said: Wanted to share a WIP vanilla 4k game with a raycasting engine capable of ~25fps/8 colors. Very nice! I've solved two of the rune walls but couldn't find any more of them. I also found an area where it looks like it's an open hallway but when you approach, a wall comes up in front of you to block. I'll have to record it next time so I can show you where it is. - James 1st EDIT: Now up to 5 doors solved and bar at the top of the screen seems to be getting slightly wider. If it has to make it all the way to the edges this will take a LONG time. 2nd EDIT: Solved the 6th door and soon after going through it there's an impassible hallway. It's the only way past the sixth door so I don't see another way forward through the game. ? Here's a picture of the hallway, as soon as I move forward, the wall on the right side slides left and blocks my path. Edited June 15, 2021 by ZeroPage Homebrew 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/321894-runes-of-moria-wip-3d-first-person-on-vanilla-4k/#findComment-4844469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 (edited) 44 minutes ago, ZeroPage Homebrew said: Here's a picture of the hallway, as soon as I move forward, the wall on the right side slides left and blocks my path. I faced the same situation and another time with a blue wall. @ZeroPage Homebrew If you should play this game (or similar games) in your show, a "map cam" would be nice. Then the viewers can better follow what you are doing. BTW: Being able to move sideways (using the fire button) would be nice. Edited June 15, 2021 by Thomas Jentzsch 3 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/321894-runes-of-moria-wip-3d-first-person-on-vanilla-4k/#findComment-4844498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ZeroPage Homebrew Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, Thomas Jentzsch said: I faced the same situation and another time with a blue wall. @ZeroPage Homebrew If you should play this game (or similar games) in your show, a "map cam" would be nice. Then the viewers can better follow what you are doing. That's a great idea! I'll have to figure out how to mount a map cam and so it's not in the way but still see what I'm writing down. I'm sure I've got something for that. 3 minutes ago, Thomas Jentzsch said: BTW: Being able to move sideways (using the fire button) would be nice. I also found myself trying the button to strafe, it would be an excellent addition if the fire button isn't going to reserved for something in the future. - James Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/321894-runes-of-moria-wip-3d-first-person-on-vanilla-4k/#findComment-4844503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossum Posted June 16, 2021 Author Share Posted June 16, 2021 6 hours ago, ZeroPage Homebrew said: That's a great idea! I'll have to figure out how to mount a map cam and so it's not in the way but still see what I'm writing down. I'm sure I've got something for that. I also found myself trying the button to strafe, it would be an excellent addition if the fire button isn't going to reserved for something in the future. - James 7 hours ago, ZeroPage Homebrew said: Very nice! I've solved two of the rune walls but couldn't find any more of them. I also found an area where it looks like it's an open hallway but when you approach, a wall comes up in front of you to block. I'll have to record it next time so I can show you where it is. - James 1st EDIT: Now up to 5 doors solved and bar at the top of the screen seems to be getting slightly wider. If it has to make it all the way to the edges this will take a LONG time. 2nd EDIT: Solved the 6th door and soon after going through it there's an impassible hallway. It's the only way past the sixth door so I don't see another way forward through the game. ? Here's a picture of the hallway, as soon as I move forward, the wall on the right side slides left and blocks my path. Apologies for the impassable invisible walls. I think the enclosed version solves that problem. Also worth mentioning that being able to read Angerthas Moria helps with opening doors. cheers runes_of_moria_6_14_pal.rom runes_of_moria_6_14.rom 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/321894-runes-of-moria-wip-3d-first-person-on-vanilla-4k/#findComment-4844752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+D Train Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 8 hours ago, ZeroPage Homebrew said: That's a great idea! I'll have to figure out how to mount a map cam and so it's not in the way but still see what I'm writing down. I'm sure I've got something for that. can you draw the map on a tablet, like an electronic whiteboard/blackboard? you can get those that draw on "lined paper" or "graph paper," etc. that way you wouldn't have to futz with camera placement. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/321894-runes-of-moria-wip-3d-first-person-on-vanilla-4k/#findComment-4844771 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, rossum said: Also worth mentioning that being able to read Angerthas Moria helps with opening doors. The problem is, that I wouldn't know where to start. The runes are random each game, so how should we know what to enter? Hobbit names, maybe? Edited June 16, 2021 by Thomas Jentzsch Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/321894-runes-of-moria-wip-3d-first-person-on-vanilla-4k/#findComment-4844804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 15 hours ago, ZeroPage Homebrew said: If it has to make it all the way to the edges this will take a LONG time. I figure about 20 doors. That must be a huge map. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/321894-runes-of-moria-wip-3d-first-person-on-vanilla-4k/#findComment-4844862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ZeroPage Homebrew Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 16 hours ago, rossum said: Apologies for the impassable invisible walls. I think the enclosed version solves that problem. Awesome, thanks! I'll give it another try soon with the updated version. 16 hours ago, rossum said: Also worth mentioning that being able to read Angerthas Moria helps with opening doors. I found a good rune translation chart that has helped me decode the doors. Fun little bonus. ? - James Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/321894-runes-of-moria-wip-3d-first-person-on-vanilla-4k/#findComment-4845112 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 1 minute ago, ZeroPage Homebrew said: I found a good rune translation chart that has helped me decode the doors. I looked into the code. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/321894-runes-of-moria-wip-3d-first-person-on-vanilla-4k/#findComment-4845115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossum Posted June 17, 2021 Author Share Posted June 17, 2021 5 hours ago, Thomas Jentzsch said: I looked into the code. 5 hours ago, ZeroPage Homebrew said: Awesome, thanks! I'll give it another try soon with the updated version. I found a good rune translation chart that has helped me decode the doors. Fun little bonus. ? - James Fixed rune speeling errors (thanks Thomas!), upgraded ambience and added a balrog. runes_of_moria_6_16_ntsc.rom runes_of_moria_6_16_pal.rom 5 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/321894-runes-of-moria-wip-3d-first-person-on-vanilla-4k/#findComment-4845384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+D Train Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 13 hours ago, rossum said: added a balrog does it have wings, or not? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/321894-runes-of-moria-wip-3d-first-person-on-vanilla-4k/#findComment-4845717 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 16 hours ago, rossum said: added a balrog. And where is Gandalf? 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/321894-runes-of-moria-wip-3d-first-person-on-vanilla-4k/#findComment-4845805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ZeroPage Homebrew Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 (edited) ZeroPage Homebrew IS BACK FROM BREAK TOMORROW and playing Runes of Moria on tomorrow's (Fri Jun 18, 2021) stream LIVE on Twitch at 12PM PT | 3PM ET | 7PM GMT! Hope everyone can watch! ZPH Twitch Stream: https://www.twitch.tv/zeropagehomebrew/ Games: K-Jo Chases The Cheese (2021 Exclusive Final Binary) by Leonardo Santiago @Leonardo Santiago Mr. Yo-Yo (2021 Exclusive Final Binary) by David Marli @DaveM Runes of Moria (2021 WIP) by Rossum @rossum The Legend of Dungeon (2021 Exclusive WIP Premiere) by Brock Keaghey @TheMajorHavoc ElectroBall (2021 WIP) by Mike Littau @littaum (WATCH AT 1080P60 FOR FULL QUALITY!) Edited June 19, 2021 by ZeroPage Homebrew 4 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/321894-runes-of-moria-wip-3d-first-person-on-vanilla-4k/#findComment-4846044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossum Posted June 17, 2021 Author Share Posted June 17, 2021 14 minutes ago, ZeroPage Homebrew said: ZeroPage Homebrew IS BACK FROM BREAK TOMORROW and playing Runes of Moria on tomorrow's (Fri Jun 18, 2021) stream LIVE on Twitch at 12PM PT | 3PM ET | 7PM GMT! Hope everyone can watch! ZPH Twitch Stream: https://www.twitch.tv/zeropagehomebrew/ Games: K-Jo Chases The Cheese (2021 Exclusive Final Binary) by Leonardo Santiago @Leonardo Santiago Mr. Yo-Yo (2021 Exclusive Final Binary) by David Marli @DaveM Runes of Moria (2021 WIP) by Rossum @rossum The Legend of Dungeon (2021 Exclusive WIP Premiere) by Brock Keaghey @TheMajorHavoc ElectroBall (2021 WIP) by Mike Littau @littaum Looking forward to it. Nice cover art. New version with updated engine, NTSC >20fps, PAL >30fps in the mines. Gandalf will have to wait for the 8k version. runes_of_moria_6_17_pal.rom runes_of_moria_6_17_ntsc.rom 4 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/321894-runes-of-moria-wip-3d-first-person-on-vanilla-4k/#findComment-4846054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ZeroPage Homebrew Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 20 minutes ago, rossum said: Looking forward to it. Nice cover art. Thanks so much, it turned out well! ? 20 minutes ago, rossum said: New version with updated engine, NTSC >20fps, PAL >30fps in the mines. Gandalf will have to wait for the 8k version. Thanks for posting an updated version, I'll use that on the show tomorrow. - James Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/321894-runes-of-moria-wip-3d-first-person-on-vanilla-4k/#findComment-4846069 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossum Posted June 18, 2021 Author Share Posted June 18, 2021 added additional detail for those on crts. runes_of_moria_6_18_pal.rom runes_of_moria_6_18_ntsc.rom 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/321894-runes-of-moria-wip-3d-first-person-on-vanilla-4k/#findComment-4846119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 5 hours ago, rossum said: added additional detail for those on crts. What did you change? A few suggestions: Allow moving sideways (Fire + Left/Right) I don't know how you determine the color of a wall (there seems to be some logic behind it), but it would help navigating and mapping if the colors do not repeat on consecutive walls. The walls sometimes look lacerated at top and bottom, can that be avoided? 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/321894-runes-of-moria-wip-3d-first-person-on-vanilla-4k/#findComment-4846238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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