Harry Potter Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Hi! Sorry for the newbie questions, but which 8-bit Atari's have 80-column modes? How do I set an 80-column mode from cc65? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanny Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Harry Potter said: which 8-bit Atari's have 80-column modes? None. You could add 80-column mode thru extensions, for example VBXE or XEP-80. None of them are supported by the cc65 runtime library. Edited November 30, 2021 by sanny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted November 30, 2021 Author Share Posted November 30, 2021 Oh. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrathchild Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Or in s/w you can simulate this in gr.8 by defining a nibble width font and then shift and 'or' to the screen as needed. I think there should be some replacement S: / E: drivers that handle this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irgendwer Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 See this thread for software options: https://atariage.com/forums/topic/315818-software-80-columns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted November 30, 2021 Author Share Posted November 30, 2021 I won't bother with it, then. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 "80 columns" is under the hidden feature set that enables "extra memory", "fast de-compression", or the all elusive "template creator". If you are abandoning it, I guess we shall now lose all hope. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 ACE80 etc, cartridge or hardware, and SDX also provides some nice 64 and 80 column drivers... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DjayBee Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 2 hours ago, _The Doctor__ said: ACE80 etc, cartridge or hardware, and SDX also provides some nice 64 and 80 column drivers... If you add this to a 1450XLD, will you then get 80 column speech synthesis due to all its extra-extras? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 don't know, but I'd think the speech would pull from the screen device without issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathy Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Hello guys 80 column speech synthesis. That's almost like Dolby Atmos. On my little 8 bit Atari. Nolan is the greatest! Sincerely Mathy 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DjayBee Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Uh, my posting was meant as a joke but obviously failed miserably. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foft Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 On 12/1/2021 at 3:22 AM, Stephen said: "80 columns" is under the hidden feature set that enables "extra memory", "fast de-compression", or the all elusive "template creator". If you are abandoning it, I guess we shall now lose all hope. What is ‘template creator’? Seems to be the one feature from these missing on the Éclaire! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DjayBee Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 hour ago, foft said: What is ‘template creator’? Seems to be the one feature from these missing on the Éclaire! A joke, look here if interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted December 12, 2021 Author Share Posted December 12, 2021 Template Creator is not actually a joke but might as well be one, as it fared very poorly in the community. It is a utility to create new files from old files with a click of the mouse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zbyti Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, Harry Potter said: It is a utility to create new files from old files with a click of the mouse. You know that you are talking to the VIM's masters? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Harry Potter said: Template Creator is not actually a joke but might as well be one, as it fared very poorly in the community. It is a utility to create new files from old files with a click of the mouse. I still don't understand the point. Copy & paste? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted December 12, 2021 Author Share Posted December 12, 2021 Stephen, you're right. There are other ways to make new files. I use it, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DjayBee Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 3 hours ago, Harry Potter said: Template Creator is not actually a joke but might as well be one, as it fared very poorly in the community. It is a utility to create new files from old files with a click of the mouse. The joke was Stephen's posting. I haven't tried your tool, therefore I should not make bad comments about it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted December 12, 2021 Author Share Posted December 12, 2021 DjayBee, I am being pushy here, but I am an egotist and want praise for my works. I ask you to try the program out and tell me what you think. It is at tmpcreat - Manage Files at SourceForge.net. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGB1718 Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 How odd, try to install and it says Windows Vista detected ??? How old is this ??? Cancelled install, virus checker said it was dodgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepho Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 My guess is that it was written (or last updated) when Windows 7 was replacing Vista. The code probably looks for evidence of Windows 7 and anything else counts as Vista. Windows 10 is not Windows 7, so it counts as Vista. Developers used the same cheap scheme when Windows 3 replaced Windows 2. So when Windows 95 came along we got programs warning us that they wouldn't work on our Windows 2 PC - even though we were running Windows 95. Some things never change - sigh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted December 13, 2021 Author Share Posted December 13, 2021 Well...it was written at that time, but it works on Win10/64. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leech Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 On 12/12/2021 at 9:08 PM, stepho said: My guess is that it was written (or last updated) when Windows 7 was replacing Vista. The code probably looks for evidence of Windows 7 and anything else counts as Vista. Windows 10 is not Windows 7, so it counts as Vista. Developers used the same cheap scheme when Windows 3 replaced Windows 2. So when Windows 95 came along we got programs warning us that they wouldn't work on our Windows 2 PC - even though we were running Windows 95. Some things never change - sigh. (random necro post) This is literally why we went from Windows 8.x to Windows 10. Because Microsoft, in their finite wisdom, had a bunch of stuff where you could code your software to detect windows 9x. So Windows 9 would have still been detected as 95 or 98. Quite amusing, if I do say so myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaeron Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 2 hours ago, leech said: (random necro post) This is literally why we went from Windows 8.x to Windows 10. Because Microsoft, in their finite wisdom, had a bunch of stuff where you could code your software to detect windows 9x. So Windows 9 would have still been detected as 95 or 98. Quite amusing, if I do say so myself. This is a myth. The versioning APIs in Windows don't return a version string like "Windows 95", they return a version number. This number was 4.0 for Windows 95, not 9.0. The only piece of code that anyone has actually pointed to with the problem you describe is Java code interpreting an OS version string produced by the JVM itself and not Windows. None of the APIs that Microsoft has shimmed for specific applications to fix versioning issues return a version string of the pertinent form. But even if that were an issue, there was already a strategy in place to solve it. All versions of Windows past Windows 8 lie about their version number in APIs and report themselves as Windows 8 (6.2) unless you specifically mark the program as compatible in the executable manifest. Windows 8.1 (6.3) had a specific compatibility mark for this, and Windows 10 required a separate one. So even if there were an issue as you describe, it wouldn't have affected older applications as they would have continued to read Windows 8 or Windows 8.1 as the OS version. Rebranding the product to fix a technical issue wouldn't have made sense, especially since Windows 10 shipped with the version-lie mechanism anyway. Sadly, this rumor has spread so far that it has become self-sustaining, and for some reason people are apt to believe it rather than the simpler explanation that it was a branding issue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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